billvon 3,070 #26 March 23, 2011 >Some believe the population isn't a problem. It's not a problem - provided everyone is willing to sacrifice to support the larger population. It only becomes a problem if everyone wants steaks, SUV's, swimming pools, air travel etc. Which, apparently, they do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #27 March 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>I guess, the point I'm trying to make is... we are wasteful and take too much >for granted. I definitely agree with you there. We have to be better stewards of resources like water, clean air and land. Today we're starting to see massive problems with getting enough water to people, and I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg. (Careful, though - we're at risk of being labeled "capitalism destroying nuts" if we keep this up!) I'm not against 'capitalism' per se. As long as they consider all sides and long term effects. Then too, we are not really known for long-term. We're more into 'get rich quick' and not considering the long-term Also, our population is growing at a rapid rate and we're feeling the strain. Chuck Some believe the population isn't a problem. http://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth Some people live in a 'bubble', too. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #28 March 23, 2011 Quote >Some believe the population isn't a problem. It's not a problem - provided everyone is willing to sacrifice to support the larger population. It only becomes a problem if everyone wants steaks, SUV's, swimming pools, air travel etc. Which, apparently, they do. Not gonna happen! The die has been cast and we've just gotten spoiled and 'all about me'! Also, trying to control 'primal urges' would be a task in itself. We'll just sit-back and wait till it happens then, go into panic mode like we usually do.Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 March 23, 2011 Right.. so working on "the GRID" for a large power company that produces TONS of pollution goes to show why above all else you want to maintain your companies ability to pollute with impunity... and god forbid you or your masters do anything about the hastening of changes to our environment... all for YOUR SHORT TERM PROFITS... and damn everyone else. Just own it man..... but I know... the truth must really hurt... I just wish we could round up all of you deniers and let you live in one very little polluted corner of the planet... instead of subjecting the rest of the planet to your short sighted HEAD in the COAL ASH DUMP views. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #30 March 23, 2011 Quote Quote At least the Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulb is safe. http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup-detailed.html I try to get a little mercury everyday. Mercury wasn't toxic when I was a kid. We used to play with it. Suddenly it became toxic around 1960. The world was black and white when I was a child, too. Just look at some old photos if you don't believe me.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #31 March 23, 2011 I thought you were talking about this guy I saw today. Thirteen liberal/environmental bumpers tickers You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #32 March 23, 2011 QuoteAlso, our population is growing at a rapid rate and we're feeling the strain. And therein lies the whole problem, IMO. Population growth will stress resources it to the limit and beyond. We're seeing it happen, and have been for years, and it's only going to get worse.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #33 March 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteAlso, our population is growing at a rapid rate and we're feeling the strain. And therein lies the whole problem, IMO. Population growth will stress resources it to the limit and beyond. We're seeing it happen, and have been for years, and it's only going to get worse. We lose thousands of acres of farm and ranchlands per day to urban sprawl. How would you like your 'Soylent Green', Sir? Baked, broiled or fried? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #34 March 24, 2011 Wow You preach that you dont want religion pushed on you. You dont want it in government Yet you hypocritically push your enviro religion on those who don't agree with your faith Wow just wow"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #35 March 24, 2011 QuoteWow You preach that you dont want religion pushed on you. You dont want it in government Yet you hypocritically push your enviro religion on those who don't agree with your faith Wow just wow Take a look in the FUCKING MIRROR.... you and your ilk are shoving your polluted air and water down the throats of MILLIONS of Americans daily.... and then have the audacity to deny it vociferously.. all for fun and personal profit. Not all of us want to share the cesspool with those of you who are in public denial Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
maxwellman23 0 #36 March 24, 2011 And the NEW house I am building and will be completed next year WILL have solar as well as wind generation as well as diesel genset backup . It is smaller.. it is more efficient... it has its own watersource is pretty much EQ proof and is purpose built to keep crazies at bay should that need arise for whatever reason. Tell me about this house, is it an Earthship? What where the costs involved?? Crazies? Like zombies and such??I am ALIVE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #37 March 24, 2011 That is a very good point. However it is noteworthy that the developed world is NOT growing in population but the undeveloped world is. It would seem that the best way the control the worlds population is to develop it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #38 March 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote At least the Compact Fluorescent Light (CFL) Bulb is safe. http://www.epa.gov/cfl/cflcleanup-detailed.html I try to get a little mercury everyday. Mercury wasn't toxic when I was a kid. We used to play with it. Suddenly it became toxic around 1960. The world was black and white when I was a child, too. Just look at some old photos if you don't believe me. When you were a kid tobacco wasn’t toxic either. What is your point? By your logic co2 was not a problem. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #39 March 24, 2011 By cesspool, do you mean the cesspool created under the streets of san fran by low flush toilets? Do you think that the environment of the bay will benefit by thousand of tons of bleach being poured into it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 March 24, 2011 Quote By cesspool, do you mean the cesspool created under the streets of san fran by low flush toilets? Do you think that the environment of the bay will benefit by thousand of tons of bleach being poured into it? If you are incapable of looking around your country and figure it out.... then you are indeed part of the problem. The question is... why would you wish to live like that Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 March 24, 2011 Yep So enviro conscience QuoteThere's no place to sleep other than a tent, right? Or, am I mistaken? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dmessage_reply_write%3Bmessage%3D1801438=Reply QuoteI will be in a nice big comfy motorhome... with all the usual amenities for camping... like a nice hot shower at the end of the day... air conditioning if it gets hot.. and a wide screen HD to watch my HD videos of the day on Post #19"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #42 March 24, 2011 I disagree with that! We are a developed country, according to you and you say our population is not growing. The figures came out yesterday that Hispanic, school age children, now makes-up 52% here in Texas. That includes pre-school. That's just Texas. There's 49 other states to account for. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #43 March 24, 2011 There wouldn't be an environmental movement if free market capitalists, left to themselves, hadn't crapped up the planet so badly. Anyone remember Love Canal, or Acid Rain, or are you all too young?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #44 March 24, 2011 Quote There wouldn't be an environmental movement if free market capitalists, left to themselves, hadn't crapped up the planet so badly. Anyone remember Love Canal, or Acid Rain, or are you all too young? Of course many of use remember them That should not give those like you free rein to generalize that all are bad Rules and penalties can deal with those like that But those like you would penalize everyone for the actions of a few much like you do on the gun issue"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 March 24, 2011 Quote Yep So enviro conscience Quote There's no place to sleep other than a tent, right? Or, am I mistaken? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dmessage_reply_write%3Bmessage%3D1801438=Reply Quote I will be in a nice big comfy motorhome... with all the usual amenities for camping... like a nice hot shower at the end of the day... air conditioning if it gets hot.. and a wide screen HD to watch my HD videos of the day on Post #19 PSSST its a friends...not mine... and since they are taking it... its like a van pool. So PLEASE... I know you have to dig for anything... but again.. I will match my "footprint" with yours anyday oh DENIER in CHIEF NEXT PHALLACY please. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #46 March 24, 2011 Quote Quote Yep So enviro conscience Quote There's no place to sleep other than a tent, right? Or, am I mistaken? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dmessage_reply_write%3Bmessage%3D1801438=Reply Quote I will be in a nice big comfy motorhome... with all the usual amenities for camping... like a nice hot shower at the end of the day... air conditioning if it gets hot.. and a wide screen HD to watch my HD videos of the day on Post #19 PSSST its a friends...not mine... and since they are taking it... its like a van pool. So PLEASE... I know you have to dig for anything... but again.. I will match my "footprint" with yours anyday oh DENIER in CHIEF NEXT PHALLACY please. PSSSSST dont matter You still are using the enviornmental destroyer Shame on you such hypocrisy"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #47 March 24, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Yep So enviro conscience Quote There's no place to sleep other than a tent, right? Or, am I mistaken? http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?do%3Dmessage_reply_write%3Bmessage%3D1801438=Reply Quote I will be in a nice big comfy motorhome... with all the usual amenities for camping... like a nice hot shower at the end of the day... air conditioning if it gets hot.. and a wide screen HD to watch my HD videos of the day on Post #19 PSSST its a friends...not mine... and since they are taking it... its like a van pool. So PLEASE... I know you have to dig for anything... but again.. I will match my "footprint" with yours anyday oh DENIER in CHIEF NEXT PHALLACY please. PSSSSST dont matter You still are using the enviornmental destroyer Shame on you such hypocrisy ONLY in your mind... then again.. I expect nothing better from you and your ilk EVER ... when it comes to environmental issues, you have assumed the DIZZIE DOT COM mantle of Chief Denier. As long as you get what you consider to be your little TRICKLE from your masters you will do and say just what they want out of FEAR that they might take away your little TRICKLE. I just hope you and yours live long enough to try to EXIST in the future world you are creating. Perhaps living in the WeShouldaCene Epoch will bring it home to you or perhaps those who will call you ancestor. I am kind of hoping on the former... so that environment that you believe to be so unimportant can smack you up side yo head. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #48 March 24, 2011 Push your envio religion on some one else I dont need yours as I can see you are a do as I say not as I do enviro wacko "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #49 March 24, 2011 Quote Push your envio religion on some one else I dont need yours as I can see you are a do as I say not as I do enviro wacko Its not a religion COAL BOY... its a reality.. of course if you would pull your head out of that COAL ASH pile that is radioactive.. you might begin to find the clue you are so totally and utterly missing.Read something other than those links provided to you by your COMPANY newsletters for a start. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #50 March 24, 2011 Quote Quote Push your envio religion on some one else I dont need yours as I can see you are a do as I say not as I do enviro wacko Its not a religion COAL BOY... its a reality.. of course if you would pull your head out of that COAL ASH pile that is radioactive.. you might begin to find the clue you are so totally and utterly missing.Read something other than those links provided to you by your COMPANY newsletters for a start. Coal nuke and wind At least I am honest That is more than you can say"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
