The Church Vs. Science

[Coreece 190]

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Or they'll actually hold you to your earlier points no matter how much you want to pretend you didn't make them.

I have no problem taking my lumps, but when Max started talking about problems arising when people superficially glance at a verse and use it in a way that was never intended, I didn't want to continue on because I felt I might be headed down that road.

I am more concerned with the proper handling of scripture than getting heat from posting some vague incomplete scientific inference that offends people.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[jakee 1,489]

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They'll just ignore your earlier points in an attempt to twist your words

Actually, the name of the game so far has been trying to actually nail you down to a point that you're willing to stick to and not disown as soon as the going gets tough.

You can't whine that people are trying to twist your words when all they've done is take your original claim at face value. Especially since you refuse to offer any explanation of what it was you actually meant.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Channman 2]

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It's pointless to even try and have a reasonably respectful conversation and expect some viable insight when talking to some people here. They'll just ignore your earlier points in an attempt to twist your words for the sole pupose of name calling because they don't like what you stand for.

Sometimes we need to be careful where we cast our pearls. I find this type of discussion is best managed one on one, less likely to insight a Mob. But I'm printing these pages, makes for some excellent discussion and teaching.

Cheers

[Coreece 190]

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Sometimes we need to be careful where we cast our pearls.

Wow...thanks bud! I was just thinking the same thing and questioning if I should post a rather lengthy reply. After reading this post I think it might be time to just let this one go...

Thanks again for speaking up!

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[popsjumper 2]

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...Cantor's theory, based on the theory of ordered sets, only dates from the 1880s, and prior to that there was no workable definition of the various infinities.

From Wikipedia:

"The concept of the existence of an actual infinity was an important shared concern within the realms of mathematics, philosophy and religion. Preserving the orthodoxy of the relationship between God and mathematics, although not in the same form as held by his critics, was long a concern of Cantor's.[49]

He directly addressed this intersection between these disciplines in the introduction to his Grundlagen einer allgemeinen Mannigfaltigkeitslehre, where he stressed the connection between his view of the infinite and the philosophical one.[50]

To Cantor, his mathematical views were intrinsically linked to their philosophical and theological implications—he identified the Absolute Infinite with God,[51] and he considered his work on transfinite numbers to have been directly communicated to him by God, who had chosen Cantor to reveal them to the world."

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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Actually, the name of the game so far has been trying to actually nail you down to a point

Why is it important to you to "actually nail down" anyone?
I dunno. Sounds like a character flaw to me.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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...but when Max started talking about problems arising when people superficially glance at a verse and use it in a way that was never intended, .

Hmmmm. Max is an expert on how verses were intended?
I didn't know that!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[quade 4]

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Actually, the name of the game so far has been trying to actually nail you down to a point

Why is it important to you to "actually nail down" anyone?

Obvious joke regarding Christianity is obvious.

(Not that I actually think it was, but come on! Isn't it obvious?)

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[popsjumper 2]

..and for all you naysayers about the bible being non-scientific, I say you are wrong. Dead, pea-pickin' wrong.

The Old Testament with all those begats, begats and more begats....where do you think Gregor Mendel got his idea for genetics? Huh? Answer me that!

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[quade 4]

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..and for all you naysayers about the bible being non-scientific, I say you are wrong. Dead, pea-pickin' wrong.

The Old Testament with all those begats, begats and more begats....where do you think Gregor Mendel got his idea for genetics? Huh? Answer me that!

Peas.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[maadmax 0]

Hmmmm. Max is an expert on how verses were intended?
I didn't know that!

[quade 4]

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Yep, no expert, just another humble searcher.

Is humble a word that anybody can truthfully use to describe themselves?

Not bagging on you, just an observation about people's use of the word in general.

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[Calvin19 0]

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Do you really think infinity and zero fall in the realm of mythology?

Do you think they don't?

Don't even think about it.

No, they (zero and infinity) ABSOLUTELY do -NOT- fall into mythology, they are PRECISE values in science and mathematics.

[kallend 2,026]

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At exactly what point do you think you managed to get the upper hand in the conversation?

Probably the part where I noted that the professor's auto erotic ego stimulation was of little import.

YOU make an error and somehow I'm at fault. Fascinating.

Your original statement was just plain wrong, and that's all there is to it despite your weaseling around and insulting me.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jakee 1,489]

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Why is it important to you to "actually nail down" anyone?

Because rational discussion is otherwise impossible.

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I dunno. Sounds like a character flaw to me.

Because of course you've never felt a desire for someone to say what they mean and stick to it. Yeah, right.

I know you're only bothered about what allows you to get your petty little digs in, but damn do you ever miss the point because of it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[popsjumper 2]

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No, they (zero and infinity) ABSOLUTELY do -NOT- fall into mythology, they are PRECISE values in science and mathematics.

Oh...really?
Just what ARE those values?

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[popsjumper 2]

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but damn do you ever miss the point because of it.

Hmmmmmm....How can one miss a point when one is making a point?


And you think one can only have a rational discussion if one makes a solid statement and sticks to it?
Have you never had a discussion with a woman?
Oh wait...bad example.

I'll fall back on the typical excuses:
1. The devil made me do it. (the religion tie-in)
2. I had a hangover and haven't had my coffee yet. (the science tie-in)
3. I didn't get laid last night.
4. Disregard the wad of $1 bills. I did NOT dance naked on the stage with the girls at the strip club last night.
5. Fine. I'll sleep on the couch.



Point the Type A aggressiveness over thataway ------->

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[shropshire 0]

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No, they (zero and infinity) ABSOLUTELY do -NOT- fall into mythology, they are PRECISE values in science and mathematics.

Oh...really?
Just what ARE those values?

NOWT

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LOTS

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[popsjumper 2]

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Because of course you've never felt a desire for someone to say what they mean and stick to it. Yeah, right.

Why, of course, Jakee!
I just don't recall ever being so adamant to the point of getting upset about it.

Even Kallend gets a tweak on it now and then.

My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239

[Coreece 190]

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YOU make an error and somehow I'm at fault. Fascinating.

Your original statement was just plain wrong, and that's all there is to it despite your weaseling around and insulting me.

Fine then...If I don't wanna be called out on my errors then I should be more careful not to make any. Likewise, if you don't want to be called out for acting like a condescending tit, then you should be more careful not to.

Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

[tkhayes 348]

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I am more concerned with the proper handling of scripture than getting heat from posting some vague incomplete scientific inference that offends people.

problem is that YOUR version of the proper handling of scripture is far different that everyone else's.

Death to homosexuals is one good instance.

The scripture is taken literally by many, interpreted by many, ignored by many, and exaggerated by many.

Once again, your version is one of many, so it demonstrates CLEAR inconsistency within the same realm of religion.

Science has lots of interpretation as well, but mostly it has FACTS. 2+2 is actually 4, no one disagrees with that, and if that changes, then science will change to meet that new standard.

But 2+2 does actually equal 4. We know hat forces act on mass. We know a lot about thermodynamics, and we know a huge about about the molecule and the atom, even though we cannot see them. No one disputes those claims, we simply build on them.

And none of it is based on a 'proper handling of science', it is based on the facts.

The proper handling of scripture is an opinion. You are welcome to have your own opinion. You are not welcome to have your own facts.

Now how many young boys has the Catholic Church molested today?

[pirana 0]

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We know a lot about thermodynamics, and we know a huge about about the molecule and the atom, even though we cannot see them.

Can't be seen with the naked eye, but they can be seen.

Just as we can only see a small fraction of celestial bodies with the naked eye, but can see far more with the right tools; our visual acuity does not allow us to see atoms - but with the right tools . . .

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[maadmax 0]

Is humble a word that anybody can truthfully use to describe themselves?

Not bagging on you, just an observation about people's use of the word in general.

[jakee 1,489]

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Why, of course, Jakee!
I just don't recall ever being so adamant to the point of getting upset about it.

What makes you say I'm upset?

Flip it over, and you seem to be upset enough about the conversation to get the insults out and I wasn't even talking to you. How does that figure with your character flaws?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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Hmmmmmm....How can one miss a point when one is making a point?

When the point you're making is predicated on an erroneous interpretation of a previous message and is therefore invalid.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?