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QuoteSo why did this OMNISCIENT, OMNIPOTENT and OMNIPRESENT god of yours suddenly undergo a major personality change some 2,000 years ago? Mid-life crisis? Godopause?
Is that where "God is a Woman" came from?
Just askin'.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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jakee 1,489
QuoteI've found it best to accept an argument based on it's scriptural merit rather than ones that simply "tickles your ears."
At least you can admit you have your bias built in, that is something, I guess.
Meanwhile, some of find it best to accept an argument based on actual merit, not the ones that tickle your G(od)-spot.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
kallend 2,027
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He did not change. He followed His plan.
Lamest of the lame excuses.
Kallend, I do not, nor do I have to, make excuses for God the Father, Jesus the Son or the Holy Spirit. I accept Him in three Persons.
I know that you know that. Why do you make comments at that level?
How, EXACTLY, do you know this plan?
Saying that anything that happens is according to some divine plan is lame in the extreme.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Coreece 190
QuoteHow, EXACTLY, do you know this plan?
Hmmmmm...I thought you...
"have read the Bible, probably more extensively than most Christians"
and...
"had 12 years of bible study"
I bet...
"If you had ACTUALLY read
"It is clear that you don't have any clue at all about what
I don't believe you have a clue about how he concluded that the
"Every post you make indicates total ignorance of the subject."
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteHow, EXACTLY, do you know this plan?
Hmmmmm...I thought you...
"have read the Bible, probably more extensively than most Christians"
A self-referential source is not actually a source at all. The bible isn't true just because it says it is. Try again with some objective evidence. And learn some logic too.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
RonD1120 62
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Everything you think you know is wrong.
Outside of the pagan stuff, I know that Jesus Christ forgives our sin and provides the experience of salvation. That covers a lot for me and others like me.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
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Your opinion, as valuable as you might want it to be or even as valuable as it might be, is simply nothing more than an opinion. Us 'scientist types', might want something a little more substantial. Provide it and I (we) will change....
I understand you "scientist types." The problem that I see is the understanding of compassion for others. In my profession we say, I don't care how much you know until I know how much you care.
It is obvious that you, Kallend, et.al. do not care.
Your lack of concern for others does not stop me, Coreece, maadmax, et.al from preaching God's love as I/we understand it.
Science has never provided me with what I needed during my gravest times of need.
The Bible provides information and comfort. Science provides information. I prefer the former to the latter. That preference does not carry a requirement for you and your ilk.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
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How, EXACTLY, do you know this plan?
Saying that anything that happens is according to some divine plan is lame in the extreme.
I read it in the Bible. I know you know that as well.
Keep in mind, the Holy Bible is not one book. It is a collection of books spanning about 1500 years written by approximately 44 different authors. Corroborating evidence is contained therein.
You are concerned with the physical world and I am focused on the spiritual world. You teach people how to build bridges from one side of the river to the other. I teach people how to build bridges to God, eternal life in Christ and, peace of mind.
You cannot force your students to learn and neither can I. Still we seek to do our best in our fields.
This I know from experience, science produces information for direction. The Bible provides peace of mind that exceeds understanding.
If I need figure out how to cross a river I will call you.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
tkhayes 348
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I understand you "scientist types." The problem that I see is the understanding of compassion for others. In my profession we say, I don't care how much you know until I know how much you care.
It is obvious that you, Kallend, et.al. do not care.
Your lack of concern for others does not stop me, Coreece, maadmax, et.al from preaching God's love as I/we understand it.
Science has never provided me with what I needed during my gravest times of need.
The Bible provides information and comfort. Science provides information. I prefer the former to the latter. That preference does not carry a requirement for you and your ilk.
'my' lack of care for others?? From whence did you derive that? I don't need God's love, i have my own to dish out. And I will take 'my lack of care for others' as a direct insult.
Just 'cause you got 'God' on your side does not make you the messiah of compassion dude, you actually used 'god's comfort' as justification for killing someone in an earlier thread.
I can absolutely understand your need for God in your 'gravest times of need', but to me that simply shows a weakness within your own persona. Some of us actually have no such need. Some of us can manage on our own without the 'divine intervention' into my soul.
We all like to help our fellow man in times of need - I just cannot stand to see people waste their lives away chasing some deity hoping that this will bring them some eternal whatever......how about you just spend your life being a nice guy and helping your fellow man. Or is that too much to ask.
Christian types - Sheesh - yeah you hold all the cards on morality and care in the world. I asked earlier - how many children have the Catholic Church molested today? What arrogance!
RonD1120 62
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I understand you "scientist types." The problem that I see is the understanding of compassion for others. In my profession we say, I don't care how much you know until I know how much you care.
It is obvious that you, Kallend, et.al. do not care.
Your lack of concern for others does not stop me, Coreece, maadmax, et.al from preaching God's love as I/we understand it.
Science has never provided me with what I needed during my gravest times of need.
The Bible provides information and comfort. Science provides information. I prefer the former to the latter. That preference does not carry a requirement for you and your ilk.
'my' lack of care for others?? From whence did you derive that? I don't need God's love, i have my own to dish out. And I will take 'my lack of care for others' as a direct insult.
Just 'cause you got 'God' on your side does not make you the messiah of compassion dude, you actually used 'god's comfort' as justification for killing someone in an earlier thread.
I can absolutely understand your need for God in your 'gravest times of need', but to me that simply shows a weakness within your own persona. Some of us actually have no such need. Some of us can manage on our own without the 'divine intervention' into my soul.
We all like to help our fellow man in times of need - I just cannot stand to see people waste their lives away chasing some deity hoping that this will bring them some eternal whatever......how about you just spend your life being a nice guy and helping your fellow man. Or is that too much to ask.
Christian types - Sheesh - yeah you hold all the cards on morality and care in the world. I asked earlier - how many children have the Catholic Church molested today? What arrogance!
You don't care about me.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
tkhayes 348
and you don't care about me either -remember the SOCOM incident?
And I don't need your 'care', although it might be appreciated. do you need mine? I doubt it.
And I don't need your 'care', although it might be appreciated. do you need mine? I doubt it.
kallend 2,027
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How, EXACTLY, do you know this plan?
Saying that anything that happens is according to some divine plan is lame in the extreme.
I read it in the Bible. I know you know that as well.
Keep in mind, the Holy Bible is not one book. It is a collection of books spanning about 1500 years written by approximately 44 different authors. Corroborating evidence is contained therein.
You are concerned with the physical world and I am focused on the spiritual world. You teach people how to build bridges from one side of the river to the other. I teach people how to build bridges to God, eternal life in Christ and, peace of mind.
You cannot force your students to learn and neither can I. Still we seek to do our best in our fields.
This I know from experience, science produces information for direction. The Bible provides peace of mind that exceeds understanding.
If I need figure out how to cross a river I will call you.
There is ZERO objective evidence that your god exists. The bible is a self-referential collection of neolithic writings that has no more objective truth than the Gospel of the FSM.
And you still haven't explained why your god suddenly morphed from a nasty vengeful cruel jealous despot to a lovey dovey guy some 2,000 years ago. That is not exactly an OMNIPRESENT behavior
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
RonD1120 62
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How, EXACTLY, do you know this plan?
Saying that anything that happens is according to some divine plan is lame in the extreme.
I read it in the Bible. I know you know that as well.
Keep in mind, the Holy Bible is not one book. It is a collection of books spanning about 1500 years written by approximately 44 different authors. Corroborating evidence is contained therein.
You are concerned with the physical world and I am focused on the spiritual world. You teach people how to build bridges from one side of the river to the other. I teach people how to build bridges to God, eternal life in Christ and, peace of mind.
You cannot force your students to learn and neither can I. Still we seek to do our best in our fields.
This I know from experience, science produces information for direction. The Bible provides peace of mind that exceeds understanding.
If I need figure out how to cross a river I will call you.
There is ZERO objective evidence that your god exists. The bible is a self-referential collection of neolithic writings that has no more objective truth than the Gospel of the FSM.
And you still haven't explained why your god suddenly morphed from a nasty vengeful cruel jealous despot to a lovey dovey guy some 2,000 years ago. That is not exactly an OMNIPRESENT behavior
I have never claimed He morphed. That is your term.
I don't need to know how a match works to know that I can start a fire with it.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
Butters 0
Ignorance is bliss ... unless you have to live with the ignorant. ![[:/]](/uploads/emoticons/dry.png "[:/]"){kind=small}
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
RonD1120 62
Adolescents can be a real pain.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
Butters 0
QuoteAdolescents can be a real pain.
Who is talking about adolescents?
"That looks dangerous." Leopold Stotch
maadmax 0
And you still haven't explained why your god suddenly morphed from a nasty vengeful cruel jealous despot to a lovey dovey guy some 2,000 years ago. That is not exactly an OMNIPRESENT behavior
No morphing, just a change in venue brought on by the prophetical fulfillment of the Messiah's first advent and the propitiation of the sin issue. I know you can't appreciate it, but I think that is pretty cool "Omni" God like behavior.
tkhayes 348
QuoteNo morphing, just a change in venue brought on by the prophetical fulfillment of the Messiah's first advent and the propitiation of the sin issue. I know you can't appreciate it, but I think that is pretty cool "Omni" God like behavior.
wow, wanna try that again in English please?
jclalor 12
QuoteQuoteQuoteWhere in the OT does it say that Jesus would come and be crucified and live again?
Psalm 22 6-8
But I am a worm and not a man,
scorned by everyone, despised by the people.
All who see me mock me;
they hurl insults, shaking their heads.
�He trusts in the LORD,� they say,
�let the LORD rescue him.
Let him deliver him,
since he delights in him.�
Psalm 22 16-18:
Dogs surround me,
a pack of villains encircles me;
they pierce my hands and my feet.
All my bones are on display;
people stare and gloat over me.
They divide my clothes among them
and cast lots for my garment.
Isaiah 53:11-12:
After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities.
Therefore I will give him a portion among the great,
and he will divide the spoils with the strong,
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors.QuoteThe OT speaks of one who would overturn the present political system and restore Israel to all of it's glory.
The OT speaks of both the restoration of Israel and the crucifixion, but the Jews had a had time understanding how a crucified Messiah was to restore Israel.
That's why Jesus kept saying in Mt 21:42 and Mk 12:10 haven't you read scripture, haven't you read?
Then he quotes Psalm 118:22:
"The stone which the builders rejected Has become the chief corner stone."
Even the Apostles didn't understand what Jesus meant when he said he had to die.
They acknowledged He was the Messiah but they seemed to be preoccupied with trivial matters and often bickered about who was gonna be the greatest and sit at the right hand of the Messiah after he overthrew the Romans. That's why Peter flips out when Jesus says he will be crucified:
Matthew 16:21-23:
"From that time Jesus began to show His disciples that He must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised up on the third day.
Peter took Him aside and began to rebuke Him, saying, "God forbid it, Lord! This shall never happen to You."
But He turned and said to Peter, "Get behind Me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to Me; for you are not setting your mind on God's interests, but man's."
I think the Psalms you quoted could have referred to any number of Jews who had suffered before Psalms was written, and there were many who suffered.
The reference to casting lots for the clothing in Psalms was probably inserted by the writer of Mathew trying to give Credence to Jesus being the messiah
I find it a bit strange, that a God would create a race of people, promise them all salvation and then send a messiah that 99% of them would not recognize. This would be like God sending David koresh as a Messiah and then expecting him to be recognized by Christians.
Jesus was simply a first century apocalyptic Jew (There were many) who preached the end of the world would occur during the lifetime of those who were alive at the time. He was executed by the Romans for crimes against the state. If it were not for Paul busting his hump spreading the word outside of Judea, all would be forgotten.
maadmax 0
I find it a bit strange, that a God would create a race of people, promise them all salvation and then send a messiah that 99% of them would not recognize. This would be like God sending David koresh as a Messiah and then expecting him to be recognized by Christians.
Jesus was simply a first century apocalyptic Jew (There were many) who preached the end of the world would occur during the lifetime of those who were alive at the time. He was executed by the Romans for crimes against the state. If it were not for Paul busting his hump spreading the word outside of Judea, all would be forgotten.
Jesus was simply a first century apocalyptic Jew (There were many) who preached the end of the world would occur during the lifetime of those who were alive at the time. He was executed by the Romans for crimes against the state. If it were not for Paul busting his hump spreading the word outside of Judea, all would be forgotten.
Very true just like all of the other messiahs. Except for the fact that some in every generation since Paul have found the Truth Jesus offered. It changed their lives and they passed it on to the next generation.
The salvation of God is for all people. The Jews were chosen as the conduit the Messiah would use to enter the world.
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kallend 2,027
QuoteAnd you still haven't explained why your god suddenly morphed from a nasty vengeful cruel jealous despot to a lovey dovey guy some 2,000 years ago. That is not exactly an OMNIPRESENT behavior
No morphing, just a change in venue brought on by the prophetical fulfillment of the Messiah's first advent and the propitiation of the sin issue. I know you can't appreciate it, but I think that is pretty cool "Omni" God like behavior.
Someone else for whom "omnipresent" is a concept they can't grasp.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
maadmax 0
Someone else for whom "omnipresent" is a concept they can't grasp.
Actually, I was surprised to see you use a term for a physical state that is impossible to prove.
He makes comments at that level because it actually IS the lamest of lame excuses. Sorry dude, I cannot disagree with him and I totally disagree with you.
Your opinion, as valuable as you might want it to be or even as valuable as it might be, is simply nothing more than an opinion. Us 'scientist types', might want something a little more substantial. Provide it and I (we) will change....
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