Amazon 7 #26 March 31, 2011 Paging Dr Cratchet Paging Dr Cratchet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyShawn 0 #27 March 31, 2011 QuoteI sure hope for their sake the cops will disarm before they ever cross my line. What will happen to them if they don't disarm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #28 March 31, 2011 >I know that my Rights are limited by but equal to the Rights of others. Agreed. Thus you do not have the right to carry fire arms where ever you go. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbrown 0 #29 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhile you may not be able to take your employers gun home ,you certainly have the Right to keep your own gun with you at all times. Do you agree? No. You do NOT have the right to carry a gun on MY property if I say you don't. Quote Ok , I'm not disagreeing with you out of hand but I would like to further discuss your theory. Are you saying that when I enter your property I have forfieted all of my Rights? I mean you seem to think that when I enter your sheikdom my 2nd are gone on your declaration. What about my Right to not be a slave. When I enter your sheikdom have I waived that one also? What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #30 March 31, 2011 Quote>I know that my Rights are limited by but equal to the Rights of others. Agreed. Thus you do not have the right to carry fire arms where ever you go. Oh yes, I definately do. As long as my carrying of fire arms doesn't deprive anyone of their Rights. Can you site an example of where my carrying would deprive another of their Rights? Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #31 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhile you may not be able to take your employers gun home ,you certainly have the Right to keep your own gun with you at all times. Do you agree? No. You do NOT have the right to carry a gun on MY property if I say you don't. Quote Ok , I'm not disagreeing with you out of hand but I would like to further discuss your theory. Are you saying that when I enter your property I have forfieted all of my Rights? I mean you seem to think that when I enter your sheikdom my 2nd are gone on your declaration. What about my Right to not be a slave. When I enter your sheikdom have I waived that one also? What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? Peace, Jim B. "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #32 March 31, 2011 What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites JerseyShawn 0 #33 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhile you may not be able to take your employers gun home ,you certainly have the Right to keep your own gun with you at all times. Do you agree? No. You do NOT have the right to carry a gun on MY property if I say you don't. Quote Ok , I'm not disagreeing with you out of hand but I would like to further discuss your theory. Are you saying that when I enter your property I have forfieted all of my Rights? I mean you seem to think that when I enter your sheikdom my 2nd are gone on your declaration. What about my Right to not be a slave. When I enter your sheikdom have I waived that one also? What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? Peace, Jim B. Jimbrown, you stated on your post that you have signs on your property saying no firearms allowed (the post you deleted). Then argue that why aren't you allowed to bring firearms on someone elses private property. Are you stupid? Or just a troll trying to get a rise out of people on the internet? (being you just joined DZ.com the other day) Peace, Shawn D..........you idiot, you can't even keep up with your hypocritical posts. "Gatorade, its got electolites!".....stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #34 March 31, 2011 Quote Jimbrown, you stated on your post that you have signs on your property saying no firearms allowed (the post you deleted). Then argue that why aren't you allowed to bring firearms on someone elses private property. Are you stupid? Or just a troll trying to get a rise out of people on the internet? (being you just joined DZ.com the other day)Quote As any well mannered Man is apt to do I reconsidered my position . Certainly you'll agree,Jersey Shawn, that that is not a sign of stupidity or weakness but rather a signal of Peace. An extending of an open hand , an olive branch. Quote...you idiot, Not exactly!! Look Shawn, I forgive you that pa . I also hope the monitors will over look it. I'ts ok greenies, me and Shawn are just josstlin' .No harm no foul. Peace, Jim B. Gatorade, its got electolites!".....stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #35 March 31, 2011 QuotePaging Dr Cratchet Paging Dr Cratchet Wasn't Jack great in that movie? I love you Doll. Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #36 March 31, 2011 Quote What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. If you want to use stupid examples there's no end of people that will give you equally stupid responses in return - let's keep it rooted in reality and not some slave-harem fantasy, m'kay? You are making the argument that YOUR rights overrule THEIR rights - what happened to your statement of 'my rights are limited but equal to the rights of others', above? In further argument, you stated and then deleted, above, that 'you hope the cops disarm them before they cross your line' - why do you feel that you can dictate if someone is armed on YOUR property, but they cannot dictate if someone is armed on THEIR property?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #37 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuote What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. If you want to use stupid examples there's no end of people that will give you equally stupid responses in return - let's keep it rooted in reality and not some slave-harem fantasy, m'kay? You are making the argument that YOUR rights overrule THEIR rights - what happened to your statement of 'my rights are limited but equal to the rights of others', above? In further argument, you stated and then deleted, above, that 'you hope the cops disarm them before they cross your line' - why do you feel that you can dictate if someone is armed on YOUR property, but they cannot dictate if someone is armed on THEIR property? Listen , I can put up a million signs. That doesn't neccesarily mean they have any legal effect. Right now around my garden I'd like to have a sign forbidding rabbits and deer from chewing the greenery. I don't think they will abide by my regulations. Which brings us back to which Rights can a property owner deny visitors of the property? Can your 2nd ammendment Rights be suspended? How about the first? Can a property owner sell you into sexuall slavery if you step onto their property? I guess what I'm trying to figure out here is where is the line drawn between private citizens Rights ,and the rights of property owners. Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #38 March 31, 2011 QuoteListen , I can put up a million signs. That doesn't neccesarily mean they have any legal effect. So you're saying nobody has ever been arrested for trespassing? I think you'll find that not to be the case. QuoteRight now around my garden I'd like to have a sign forbidding rabbits and deer from chewing the greenery. I don't think they will abide by my regulations. AND, we're back to the stupid examples. QuoteWhich brings us back to which Rights can a property owner deny visitors of the property? Indeed - why do you think you can state that others must be disarmed to be on your property, but you don't have to disarm on THEIR property if they so wish? QuoteCan your 2nd ammendment Rights be suspended? Ask any convicted felon. QuoteHow about the first? Ask Rastafarians or the Branch Davidians. QuoteCan a property owner sell you into sexuall slavery if you step onto their property? AND, stupid examples redux.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites popsjumper 2 #39 March 31, 2011 Quote OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules.. The reality is that I can DO anything I want, without any consideration of your rights whatsoever. Depending on the laws of the land I live in, I may have to pay for my actions later but that's MY choice to make. Simple as that. My property, my rules....like it or not. That's reality. I DO, however, like the way you are questioning the validity of it. I just would like to see you apply the questioning to real-world examples like Homeland Security and such. They consider the innards of commercial airports to be "their" property and as such, make rules for entry. You want to enter their property, you abide by their rules. To enter here you must either.. 1. Be irradiated, or 2. Fondled ....at least they are kind enough to give you a choice, eh? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,027 #40 March 31, 2011 QuoteI think you'd be surprised at a lot of what you don't see at a Disney park. Security there is both awesome and awful. But they managed to get a permanent no-fly-zone over the park!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #41 March 31, 2011 The answer to all this back & forth is that Bob generally has the right to exercise his constitutional rights, but John has the right to prohibit otherwise constitutionally-protected conduct on his property if he so chooses; and willful violation of that prohibition without John's permission (or, sometimes, by refusing John's demand to either desist or leave), constitutes unlawful trespass. For example, if Bob enters John's land and, in violation of John's posted sign that says, "No guns, prayer or political speech on this property", says the Lord's Prayer, or hands out a pamphlet urging people to vote Libertarian, or carries his CCW-permitted pistol in a holster under his jacket, Bob stands in jeopardy of being arrested by the police and prosecuted by the State for trespass. In some states, disobedience of the the sign alone would be enough to trigger the jeopardy of prosecution. In other states, John might have to order Bob off, and Bob would have to fail to comply, in order to trigger the prosecutable offense. Now then: when can John take matters into his own hands and use his own force, or the threat of his own force, and when should John simply call the police, have the authorities arrest and/or prosecute, but do nothing else immediately? In some part, that depends on the circumstances: if there's an immediate threat of harm to persons or property, John has more leeway to "act now" beyond just calling the cops. No immediate threat, John may be best off just calling the cops and waiting. Also, some states have statutes that expressly address this issue in one way or another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 2,991 #42 March 31, 2011 >Can you site an example of where my carrying would deprive another of >their Rights? My right (or a business owner's right) to set whatever rules I want about what you do on my property. As another example, you have the right of free speech in the US. You do not have it on this website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites pirana 0 #43 March 31, 2011 QuoteI pray that the chains of your slavery will rest lightly on your shoulders, that you won't pass them forward to your progeny, and that the shoe polish of your Master has a taste to your liking. I pray you join the real world. The real world understands guns should NOT be allowed everywhere. The real world understand it's necessary to pay taxes for the governmental services they receive. If you want to live exclusively by your own rules, start up your own damn country. Aw come on. His boot licking rhetoric is pretty amusing. Reminds me of when some of ours and other countries leaders use phrases like running dogs and evil empire. Has a certain dogmatic biblical ring to it. Ye shalt be cast to shining shoes for all eternity if ye doth not arm thyself to thy teeth whilst pursuing photo op with Mickey and Minnie." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbrown 0 #30 March 31, 2011 Quote>I know that my Rights are limited by but equal to the Rights of others. Agreed. Thus you do not have the right to carry fire arms where ever you go. Oh yes, I definately do. As long as my carrying of fire arms doesn't deprive anyone of their Rights. Can you site an example of where my carrying would deprive another of their Rights? Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #31 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhile you may not be able to take your employers gun home ,you certainly have the Right to keep your own gun with you at all times. Do you agree? No. You do NOT have the right to carry a gun on MY property if I say you don't. Quote Ok , I'm not disagreeing with you out of hand but I would like to further discuss your theory. Are you saying that when I enter your property I have forfieted all of my Rights? I mean you seem to think that when I enter your sheikdom my 2nd are gone on your declaration. What about my Right to not be a slave. When I enter your sheikdom have I waived that one also? What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? Peace, Jim B. "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #32 March 31, 2011 What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbrown 0 #32 March 31, 2011 What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerseyShawn 0 #33 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWhile you may not be able to take your employers gun home ,you certainly have the Right to keep your own gun with you at all times. Do you agree? No. You do NOT have the right to carry a gun on MY property if I say you don't. Quote Ok , I'm not disagreeing with you out of hand but I would like to further discuss your theory. Are you saying that when I enter your property I have forfieted all of my Rights? I mean you seem to think that when I enter your sheikdom my 2nd are gone on your declaration. What about my Right to not be a slave. When I enter your sheikdom have I waived that one also? What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? Peace, Jim B. Jimbrown, you stated on your post that you have signs on your property saying no firearms allowed (the post you deleted). Then argue that why aren't you allowed to bring firearms on someone elses private property. Are you stupid? Or just a troll trying to get a rise out of people on the internet? (being you just joined DZ.com the other day) Peace, Shawn D..........you idiot, you can't even keep up with your hypocritical posts. "Gatorade, its got electolites!".....stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #34 March 31, 2011 Quote Jimbrown, you stated on your post that you have signs on your property saying no firearms allowed (the post you deleted). Then argue that why aren't you allowed to bring firearms on someone elses private property. Are you stupid? Or just a troll trying to get a rise out of people on the internet? (being you just joined DZ.com the other day)Quote As any well mannered Man is apt to do I reconsidered my position . Certainly you'll agree,Jersey Shawn, that that is not a sign of stupidity or weakness but rather a signal of Peace. An extending of an open hand , an olive branch. Quote...you idiot, Not exactly!! Look Shawn, I forgive you that pa . I also hope the monitors will over look it. I'ts ok greenies, me and Shawn are just josstlin' .No harm no foul. Peace, Jim B. Gatorade, its got electolites!".....stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #35 March 31, 2011 QuotePaging Dr Cratchet Paging Dr Cratchet Wasn't Jack great in that movie? I love you Doll. Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #36 March 31, 2011 Quote What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. If you want to use stupid examples there's no end of people that will give you equally stupid responses in return - let's keep it rooted in reality and not some slave-harem fantasy, m'kay? You are making the argument that YOUR rights overrule THEIR rights - what happened to your statement of 'my rights are limited but equal to the rights of others', above? In further argument, you stated and then deleted, above, that 'you hope the cops disarm them before they cross your line' - why do you feel that you can dictate if someone is armed on YOUR property, but they cannot dictate if someone is armed on THEIR property?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #37 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuote What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. If you want to use stupid examples there's no end of people that will give you equally stupid responses in return - let's keep it rooted in reality and not some slave-harem fantasy, m'kay? You are making the argument that YOUR rights overrule THEIR rights - what happened to your statement of 'my rights are limited but equal to the rights of others', above? In further argument, you stated and then deleted, above, that 'you hope the cops disarm them before they cross your line' - why do you feel that you can dictate if someone is armed on YOUR property, but they cannot dictate if someone is armed on THEIR property? Listen , I can put up a million signs. That doesn't neccesarily mean they have any legal effect. Right now around my garden I'd like to have a sign forbidding rabbits and deer from chewing the greenery. I don't think they will abide by my regulations. Which brings us back to which Rights can a property owner deny visitors of the property? Can your 2nd ammendment Rights be suspended? How about the first? Can a property owner sell you into sexuall slavery if you step onto their property? I guess what I'm trying to figure out here is where is the line drawn between private citizens Rights ,and the rights of property owners. Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbrown 0 #34 March 31, 2011 Quote Jimbrown, you stated on your post that you have signs on your property saying no firearms allowed (the post you deleted). Then argue that why aren't you allowed to bring firearms on someone elses private property. Are you stupid? Or just a troll trying to get a rise out of people on the internet? (being you just joined DZ.com the other day)Quote As any well mannered Man is apt to do I reconsidered my position . Certainly you'll agree,Jersey Shawn, that that is not a sign of stupidity or weakness but rather a signal of Peace. An extending of an open hand , an olive branch. Quote...you idiot, Not exactly!! Look Shawn, I forgive you that pa . I also hope the monitors will over look it. I'ts ok greenies, me and Shawn are just josstlin' .No harm no foul. Peace, Jim B. Gatorade, its got electolites!".....stupid. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jimbrown 0 #35 March 31, 2011 QuotePaging Dr Cratchet Paging Dr Cratchet Wasn't Jack great in that movie? I love you Doll. Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #36 March 31, 2011 Quote What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. If you want to use stupid examples there's no end of people that will give you equally stupid responses in return - let's keep it rooted in reality and not some slave-harem fantasy, m'kay? You are making the argument that YOUR rights overrule THEIR rights - what happened to your statement of 'my rights are limited but equal to the rights of others', above? In further argument, you stated and then deleted, above, that 'you hope the cops disarm them before they cross your line' - why do you feel that you can dictate if someone is armed on YOUR property, but they cannot dictate if someone is armed on THEIR property?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbrown 0 #35 March 31, 2011 QuotePaging Dr Cratchet Paging Dr Cratchet Wasn't Jack great in that movie? I love you Doll. Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #36 March 31, 2011 Quote What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. If you want to use stupid examples there's no end of people that will give you equally stupid responses in return - let's keep it rooted in reality and not some slave-harem fantasy, m'kay? You are making the argument that YOUR rights overrule THEIR rights - what happened to your statement of 'my rights are limited but equal to the rights of others', above? In further argument, you stated and then deleted, above, that 'you hope the cops disarm them before they cross your line' - why do you feel that you can dictate if someone is armed on YOUR property, but they cannot dictate if someone is armed on THEIR property?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimbrown 0 #37 March 31, 2011 QuoteQuote What Rights do you believe I waive when I enter private property? . "Your right to swing your fist ends at the tip of my nose." Their property, their rules. Don't like it - don't go on their property. Their property their rules huh? OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules. Peace, Jim B. If you want to use stupid examples there's no end of people that will give you equally stupid responses in return - let's keep it rooted in reality and not some slave-harem fantasy, m'kay? You are making the argument that YOUR rights overrule THEIR rights - what happened to your statement of 'my rights are limited but equal to the rights of others', above? In further argument, you stated and then deleted, above, that 'you hope the cops disarm them before they cross your line' - why do you feel that you can dictate if someone is armed on YOUR property, but they cannot dictate if someone is armed on THEIR property? Listen , I can put up a million signs. That doesn't neccesarily mean they have any legal effect. Right now around my garden I'd like to have a sign forbidding rabbits and deer from chewing the greenery. I don't think they will abide by my regulations. Which brings us back to which Rights can a property owner deny visitors of the property? Can your 2nd ammendment Rights be suspended? How about the first? Can a property owner sell you into sexuall slavery if you step onto their property? I guess what I'm trying to figure out here is where is the line drawn between private citizens Rights ,and the rights of property owners. Peace, Jim B. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #38 March 31, 2011 QuoteListen , I can put up a million signs. That doesn't neccesarily mean they have any legal effect. So you're saying nobody has ever been arrested for trespassing? I think you'll find that not to be the case. QuoteRight now around my garden I'd like to have a sign forbidding rabbits and deer from chewing the greenery. I don't think they will abide by my regulations. AND, we're back to the stupid examples. QuoteWhich brings us back to which Rights can a property owner deny visitors of the property? Indeed - why do you think you can state that others must be disarmed to be on your property, but you don't have to disarm on THEIR property if they so wish? QuoteCan your 2nd ammendment Rights be suspended? Ask any convicted felon. QuoteHow about the first? Ask Rastafarians or the Branch Davidians. QuoteCan a property owner sell you into sexuall slavery if you step onto their property? AND, stupid examples redux.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #39 March 31, 2011 Quote OK , what if their rule is that any female entering their property has waived their Right to sovereinity and will be sold to other visitors of the property as a sex slave? Their property their rules.. The reality is that I can DO anything I want, without any consideration of your rights whatsoever. Depending on the laws of the land I live in, I may have to pay for my actions later but that's MY choice to make. Simple as that. My property, my rules....like it or not. That's reality. I DO, however, like the way you are questioning the validity of it. I just would like to see you apply the questioning to real-world examples like Homeland Security and such. They consider the innards of commercial airports to be "their" property and as such, make rules for entry. You want to enter their property, you abide by their rules. To enter here you must either.. 1. Be irradiated, or 2. Fondled ....at least they are kind enough to give you a choice, eh? My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #40 March 31, 2011 QuoteI think you'd be surprised at a lot of what you don't see at a Disney park. Security there is both awesome and awful. But they managed to get a permanent no-fly-zone over the park!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #41 March 31, 2011 The answer to all this back & forth is that Bob generally has the right to exercise his constitutional rights, but John has the right to prohibit otherwise constitutionally-protected conduct on his property if he so chooses; and willful violation of that prohibition without John's permission (or, sometimes, by refusing John's demand to either desist or leave), constitutes unlawful trespass. For example, if Bob enters John's land and, in violation of John's posted sign that says, "No guns, prayer or political speech on this property", says the Lord's Prayer, or hands out a pamphlet urging people to vote Libertarian, or carries his CCW-permitted pistol in a holster under his jacket, Bob stands in jeopardy of being arrested by the police and prosecuted by the State for trespass. In some states, disobedience of the the sign alone would be enough to trigger the jeopardy of prosecution. In other states, John might have to order Bob off, and Bob would have to fail to comply, in order to trigger the prosecutable offense. Now then: when can John take matters into his own hands and use his own force, or the threat of his own force, and when should John simply call the police, have the authorities arrest and/or prosecute, but do nothing else immediately? In some part, that depends on the circumstances: if there's an immediate threat of harm to persons or property, John has more leeway to "act now" beyond just calling the cops. No immediate threat, John may be best off just calling the cops and waiting. Also, some states have statutes that expressly address this issue in one way or another. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #42 March 31, 2011 >Can you site an example of where my carrying would deprive another of >their Rights? My right (or a business owner's right) to set whatever rules I want about what you do on my property. As another example, you have the right of free speech in the US. You do not have it on this website. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pirana 0 #43 March 31, 2011 QuoteI pray that the chains of your slavery will rest lightly on your shoulders, that you won't pass them forward to your progeny, and that the shoe polish of your Master has a taste to your liking. I pray you join the real world. The real world understands guns should NOT be allowed everywhere. The real world understand it's necessary to pay taxes for the governmental services they receive. If you want to live exclusively by your own rules, start up your own damn country. Aw come on. His boot licking rhetoric is pretty amusing. Reminds me of when some of ours and other countries leaders use phrases like running dogs and evil empire. Has a certain dogmatic biblical ring to it. Ye shalt be cast to shining shoes for all eternity if ye doth not arm thyself to thy teeth whilst pursuing photo op with Mickey and Minnie." . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #44 March 31, 2011 QuoteI could have had 8 handguns strspped to my person !! I would have thought that airport style security walk throughs would apply a such a high profile Place. I wonder how many folk I walked past in the world that were packing heat!! And yet, considering how 'lax' security was.... How many shootouts have happened there? QuoteFoot note In Australia I carry a hand gun to protect Government buildings but cannot take it home to protect my family !!! or citizens whilst off duty. Do you feel that is wrong? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #45 April 1, 2011 Quote>Can you site an example of where my carrying would deprive another of >their Rights? My right (or a business owner's right) to set whatever rules I want about what you do on my property. As another example, you have the right of free speech in the US. You do not have it on this website. SCOTUS has ruled that the right to free speech is not unlimited. Nor, for that matter, are 2nd Amendment rights unlimited.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #46 April 1, 2011 I'm only basing this on my recent experience at Dland, but the bag searches looked to be more concerned with glass bottles and alcohol than anything else. Even then, the search was merely a quick peek inside and asking if you had any glassI promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DougH 270 #47 April 1, 2011 Quote I'm only basing this on my recent experience at Dland, but the bag searches looked to be more concerned with glass bottles and alcohol than anything else. Even then, the search was merely a quick peek inside and asking if you had any glass They checked your bags at Deland for bottles of booze? I agree, they are more concerned about your skipping out on buying a soda from then."The restraining order says you're only allowed to touch me in freefall" =P Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #48 April 1, 2011 QuoteSCOTUS has ruled that the right to free speech is not unlimited. Nor, for that matter, are 2nd Amendment rights unlimited. They have also ruled: United States v. Miller: "The Second Amendment protects only the ownership of military-type weapons appropriate for use in an organized militia." DC v Heller: that it is "an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia," "The Amendment’s prefatory clause announces a purpose, but does not limit or expand the scope of the second part, the operative clause" McDonald v. Chicago: that it applies to the States So the SCOTUS has said that an individual is allowed an M-16. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #49 April 1, 2011 And the ATF and some states have then put a restriction on owning said M-16. Sad, eh?---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #50 April 1, 2011 QuoteAnd the ATF and some states have then put a restriction on owning said M-16. Sad, eh? Worse is the Hughes Amendment that prohibited manufacture of machineguns for civilians in May 1986. It made my last purchase of a gun that should cost 1200 cost 10,500. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
