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QuoteI simply stated that if the judge had been paid alot of money by one of the parties to the case he might not be quite so impartial.
I don't see how anyone could disagree with that.
But you do realise that means you're arguing against the entire criminal justice system, right? What you're saying means that no state or federally employed judge can rule on any criminal case because the party attempting to prosecute is his employer.
Do you have a solution for that problem, or do you just think that your country will function as well without a legal system as it would without tax?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
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QuoteQuoteI simply stated that if the judge had been paid alot of money by one of the parties to the case he might not be quite so impartial.
I don't see how anyone could disagree with that.
But you do realise that means you're arguing against the entire criminal justice system, right? What you're saying means that no state or federally employed judge can rule on any criminal case because the party attempting to prosecute is his employer.
Do you have a solution for that problem, or do you just think that your country will function as well without a legal system as it would without tax?
Perhaps we could find judges who would work on a voluntary basis.
We do have volunteer fire departments . Why couldn't it work ?
Peace,
Jim B.
jakee 1,489
QuotePerhaps we could find judges who would work on a voluntary basis.
How many?
QuoteWhy couldn't it work ?
Fuck it, that's evidence enough for me - let's give it a shot!
Do you want to have an ideagasm?
jimbrown 0
QuoteQuotePerhaps we could find judges who would work on a voluntary basis.
How many?QuoteWhy couldn't it work ?
Fuck it, that's evidence enough for me - let's give it a shot!
As we've established that every judge on the State payroll has a conflict of interest volunteerism is the only way we can be sure that Lady Justice keeps her blinders on and her hands on the braille version of the Constitution .
If any one has a better idea let's hear it.
One fact is that our current "justice " system has failed miserably and is not sustainable.
Peace ,
Jim B.
Kennedy 0
QuoteI simply stated that if the judge had been paid alot of money by one of the parties to the case he might not be quite so impartial. I don't see how anyone could disagree with that. We all pay people to do or to give us what we want. If some party is giving money to the judge it is to do or to give them what they want. Do you really believe that the judge will have a more favorable disposition to the party that didn't just grease his pockets?
That is only true if the payment is based on future performance. Private parties with an interest in an upcoming case majing payments to a judge would be wrong. Judges are paid whether they rule for or against the state, as seen in countless prosecutions, lawsuits, and appeals of all shapes and sizes.
QuoteAs we've established that every judge on the State payroll has a conflict of interest volunteerism is the only way we can be sure that Lady Justice keeps her blinders on and her hands on the braille version of the Constitution .
We've established no such thing. Just because you keep saying it, that doesn't make it so. Judges that are appointed for life will be paid whether they rule for the state or against it, so their paycheck is not based on performance for the state, hence there is no conflict of interest. Judges that are elected are paid for their term regardless of rulings. They are responsible to the voters for continued employment, not the state. Judges have no ability to affect their pay, and their pay is not related to how they rule. Viola! No conflict of interest.
QuoteIf any one has a better idea let's hear it.
One fact is that our current "justice " system has failed miserably and is not sustainable.
Are you freaking serious? You want to go from a professional pool of jurists qualified by either election by the people or a vetting process by the elected representatives, and you want to replace it with volunteers? Do you really think a volunteer would be less open to corruption than a paid and trained professional judge? You're out o your freaking mind. You can go trust an amateur arbitrator. I'll take my case to the courts.
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Wait a second here!!!!!
Before we even start back..,
What happened to your conviction that I'm just a monkey boy and you were following Andy's lead and not responding to my posts?
LOL!
Sorry!
I Know you can't help it.
I got you hooked now!
Argueing with me just sends a thrill all up your nose , doesn't it?
No time today but I'll be back before you Jones too badly to provide you with some more "Most Excellent Entertainment"
Peace,
Jim B.
I researched what they was saying.
Howed did I do?
That is only true if the payment is based on future performance. Private parties with an interest in an upcoming case majing payments to a judge would be wrong. Judges are paid whether they rule for or against the state, as seen in countless prosecutions, lawsuits, and appeals of all shapes and sizes.QuoteAs we've established that every judge on the State payroll has a conflict of interest volunteerism is the only way we can be sure that Lady Justice keeps her blinders on and her hands on the braille version of the Constitution .
We've established no such thing. Just because you keep saying it, that doesn't make it so. Judges that are appointed for life will be paid whether they rule for the state or against it, so their paycheck is not based on performance for the state, hence there is no conflict of interest. Judges that are elected are paid for their term regardless of rulings. They are responsible to the voters for continued employment, not the state. Judges have no ability to affect their pay, and their pay is not related to how they rule. Viola! No conflict of interest.QuoteIf any one has a better idea let's hear it.
One fact is that our current "justice " system has failed miserably and is not sustainable.
Are you freaking serious? You want to go from a professional pool of jurists qualified by either election by the people or a vetting process by the elected representatives, and you want to replace it with volunteers? Do you really think a volunteer would be less open to corruption than a paid and trained professional judge? You're out o your freaking mind. You can go trust an amateur arbitrator. I'll take my case to the courts.
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Quote[Are you freaking serious? You want to go from a professional pool of jurists qualified by either election by the people or a vetting process by the elected representatives, and you want to replace it with volunteers?
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One more thing before I go.
Kennedy, do you know anything about these judges I think it was Pennsalvania who were sentencing all these kids to jail because they were getting kickbacks for every dollar it cost to incarcerate the kids?
Yeah , our court system is the "Best in the World" don't you agree?
And we have the best health care
and we are the Champions when it comes to Human Rights!!!!
If you don't believe all that you're just not a Patriot , Boy!
Peace,
Jim B.
jimbrown 0
[reply One fact is that our current "justice " system has failed miserably and is not sustainable.
Are you freaking serious? You want to go from a professional pool of jurists qualified by either election by the people or a vetting process by the elected representatives, and you want to replace it with volunteers?
QuoteDo you really think a volunteer would be less open to corruption than a paid and trained professional judge?
A "paid" and "professional" judge , laddie? Aye!
Your judges are mostly no more than political appointees.
Your Supreme Court judges are *all* political appointees.
There isn't anything special or magical about those people.
Thing is that they can never be impartial as theyy've already been tainted by the money.
I don't care if now I'm a member of SCROTUS, I'm not forgetting the freinds that gave me this salary for life.
Yeah Dude, if you want to think differently about all that, who am I to try to disuade you from your beliefs?
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Yeah, logic reason and facts are obviously having no effect on him. I'm just truly surprised that he doesn't understand that the courts routinely rule against the government. What do you think: does he not know that courts go against the government on a daily basis, or does he just not care about what actually happens in court?
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QuoteYeah, logic reason and facts are obviously having no effect on him. I'm just truly surprised that he doesn't understand that the courts routinely rule against the government. What do you think: does he not know that courts go against the government on a daily basis, or does he just not care about what actually happens in court?
It is his Modus operandi. He posts for his own entertainment.
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I'm just trying to figure out if he's one of those Mu'ur Washitaw nutjobs, or if he's just so completely full of it that his position doesn't matter and he's just being ridiculous on purpose.
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jimbrown 0
QuoteYeah, logic reason and facts are obviously having no effect on him. I'm just truly surprised that he doesn't understand that the courts routinely rule against the government. What do you think: does he not know that courts go against the government on a daily basis, or does he just not care about what actually happens in court?
OK Kennedy, you know more than a federal judge.
You are right and it must be I who is so very wrong.
As Andy says my position is absolutely ludicrous and I'm just a troll attempting to gain a reaction from you!
But then there is the case of Donald Sullivan vs United States of America .Federal court. March 21, 2003. Eastern District of North Carolina .
Kennedy, would you read the bottom of page 22 and the top of page 23 and then come back and tell us about Federal judges and the income tax?
Oh!!! Andy.., please chime in as well!
Peace,
Jim Brown
11 Reasons We'd be Better Off with No Government at All
Chris | InformationLiberation
No government at all? Outlandish, you say?! After you read these 11 reasons, you'll be the first calling for shutting the whole shebang down!
1. We'd have absolutely no taxes. That means everything across the board would be cheaper and everyone would have about twice as much money.
2. We'd have no foreign wars. The US spends $1 trillion dollars a year on our interventionist foreign policy. If we shut the whole government down, that's $1 trillion dollars a year going towards computers, housing, food, technology etc., instead of being spent on bombs to kill people.
3. We'd have no corporate welfare. That means no more banker bailouts, no more handouts to the health insurance companies and big pharma, and no more subsidies for connected special interests. That translates to lower prices and more competition. Health care costs would drastically fall and housing would finally be more affordable.
4. We'd have no more drug war. The miserable drug war would come to an end and we'd stop wasting trillions of dollars to keep drug prices high.
5. We'd have no more police. That means instead of the government running a billion dollar protection racket with people getting abused left and right, we could take the billions we give to the government and instead pay private bodyguards to police our streets as an actual service to consumers at a mere fraction of the cost. The police would not be abusive for the same reason a private bodyguard doesn't beat up the person they're supposed to protect, they're dependent on you for their paycheck. Also they wouldn't have to enforce ridiculous drug laws which account for the majority of supposed crime.
6. No TSA! Let the companies themselves decide how to protect their passengers. If people want to fly in a jail cell and go through naked body scanners, so be it. If there is a market for it, the airliners could make special flights with extra security. As for the rest of us, we'd like to keep our clothes on, thanks!
7. Everyone could get a job in private industry. With private industry finally being able to keep the entirety of their earnings, everyone across the board would have more money. All corporations, big and small, would have double their current income, that means they can hire more people and put people back to work. Even a politician with absolutely no skills could get a job!
8. No more Federal Reserve. That means no more fiat money, no more business cycle, and no more inflation. Private industry could coin the money and have full reserve banks. We could move towards a %100 gold backed currency globally and give people truly sound money. No more devaluation of our money through the printing press, and no more silent corporate welfare through inflation.
9. No more artificially induced bubbles. Without the fed inducing the business cycle people would be able to invest wisely and the market could adjust faster to changes in the economy. Companies would be forced to adapt to serve consumers instead of merely adapting to gaming the system to get corporate welfare.
10. No more entrenched elite. The government's illegitimate monopoly on force is the only thing with allows a tiny group to stay in power perpetually through gaming the system and profiting off government handouts and grants of monopoly privilege. End the government, and you destroy their tool of conquest.
11. Freedom. What more is there to say? Without a government there can be no ruling class which claims powers over others. People can organize themselves voluntarily in their own self-interest, the same way we do now in almost every sector of our lives. Our nanny state system is what keeps people hobbled and dependent, remove the rules and restrictions and give people freedom and you'll see a complete societal turn around, just read this!
Chris | InformationLiberation
No government at all? Outlandish, you say?! After you read these 11 reasons, you'll be the first calling for shutting the whole shebang down!
1. We'd have absolutely no taxes. That means everything across the board would be cheaper and everyone would have about twice as much money.
2. We'd have no foreign wars. The US spends $1 trillion dollars a year on our interventionist foreign policy. If we shut the whole government down, that's $1 trillion dollars a year going towards computers, housing, food, technology etc., instead of being spent on bombs to kill people.
3. We'd have no corporate welfare. That means no more banker bailouts, no more handouts to the health insurance companies and big pharma, and no more subsidies for connected special interests. That translates to lower prices and more competition. Health care costs would drastically fall and housing would finally be more affordable.
4. We'd have no more drug war. The miserable drug war would come to an end and we'd stop wasting trillions of dollars to keep drug prices high.
5. We'd have no more police. That means instead of the government running a billion dollar protection racket with people getting abused left and right, we could take the billions we give to the government and instead pay private bodyguards to police our streets as an actual service to consumers at a mere fraction of the cost. The police would not be abusive for the same reason a private bodyguard doesn't beat up the person they're supposed to protect, they're dependent on you for their paycheck. Also they wouldn't have to enforce ridiculous drug laws which account for the majority of supposed crime.
6. No TSA! Let the companies themselves decide how to protect their passengers. If people want to fly in a jail cell and go through naked body scanners, so be it. If there is a market for it, the airliners could make special flights with extra security. As for the rest of us, we'd like to keep our clothes on, thanks!
7. Everyone could get a job in private industry. With private industry finally being able to keep the entirety of their earnings, everyone across the board would have more money. All corporations, big and small, would have double their current income, that means they can hire more people and put people back to work. Even a politician with absolutely no skills could get a job!
8. No more Federal Reserve. That means no more fiat money, no more business cycle, and no more inflation. Private industry could coin the money and have full reserve banks. We could move towards a %100 gold backed currency globally and give people truly sound money. No more devaluation of our money through the printing press, and no more silent corporate welfare through inflation.
9. No more artificially induced bubbles. Without the fed inducing the business cycle people would be able to invest wisely and the market could adjust faster to changes in the economy. Companies would be forced to adapt to serve consumers instead of merely adapting to gaming the system to get corporate welfare.
10. No more entrenched elite. The government's illegitimate monopoly on force is the only thing with allows a tiny group to stay in power perpetually through gaming the system and profiting off government handouts and grants of monopoly privilege. End the government, and you destroy their tool of conquest.
11. Freedom. What more is there to say? Without a government there can be no ruling class which claims powers over others. People can organize themselves voluntarily in their own self-interest, the same way we do now in almost every sector of our lives. Our nanny state system is what keeps people hobbled and dependent, remove the rules and restrictions and give people freedom and you'll see a complete societal turn around, just read this!
we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively
wishers never choose, choosers never wish
wishers never choose, choosers never wish
Kennedy 0
QuoteQuoteYeah, logic reason and facts are obviously having no effect on him. I'm just truly surprised that he doesn't understand that the courts routinely rule against the government. What do you think: does he not know that courts go against the government on a daily basis, or does he just not care about what actually happens in court?
OK Kennedy, you know more than a federal judge.
You are right and it must be I who is so very wrong.
True on both counts. I'm glad we've established that at last. If you have any doubts, look into The Law That Never Was, the debunking of the book, and the author's conviction on charges of fraud. The 16th was ratified, and is a valid portion o the constitution of the USA.
QuoteAs Andy says my position is absolutely ludicrous and I'm just a troll attempting to gain a reaction from you!
Ludicrous? Yes. Troll? Probably. Are you?
QuoteBut then there is the case of Donald Sullivan vs United States of America .Federal court. March 21, 2003. Eastern District of North Carolina .
Kennedy, would you read the bottom of page 22 and the top of page 23 and then come back and tell us about Federal judges and the income tax?
OK, so you found one exerpt from one case not related to tax law. Considering your posts in this thread, I think it would be inappropriate for you claim judges are always correct, don't you? In this case, the judge was wrong. If you want to see judges who actually ruled on tax law based on reasoned consideration of evidence, there are volumes of books in your local law library.
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Guard your honor, let your reputation fall where it will, and outlast the bastards.
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11 Reasons We'd be Better Off with No Government at All
Chris | InformationLiberation
No government at all? Outlandish, you say?! After you read these 11 reasons, you'll be the first calling for shutting the whole shebang down!
1. We'd have absolutely no taxes. That means everything across the board would be cheaper and everyone would have about twice as much money.
2. We'd have no foreign wars. The US spends $1 trillion dollars a year on our interventionist foreign policy. If we shut the whole government down, that's $1 trillion dollars a year going towards computers, housing, food, technology etc., instead of being spent on bombs to kill people.
3. We'd have no corporate welfare. That means no more banker bailouts, no more handouts to the health insurance companies and big pharma, and no more subsidies for connected special interests. That translates to lower prices and more competition. Health care costs would drastically fall and housing would finally be more affordable.
4. We'd have no more drug war. The miserable drug war would come to an end and we'd stop wasting trillions of dollars to keep drug prices high.
5. We'd have no more police. That means instead of the government running a billion dollar protection racket with people getting abused left and right, we could take the billions we give to the government and instead pay private bodyguards to police our streets as an actual service to consumers at a mere fraction of the cost. The police would not be abusive for the same reason a private bodyguard doesn't beat up the person they're supposed to protect, they're dependent on you for their paycheck. Also they wouldn't have to enforce ridiculous drug laws which account for the majority of supposed crime.
6. No TSA! Let the companies themselves decide how to protect their passengers. If people want to fly in a jail cell and go through naked body scanners, so be it. If there is a market for it, the airliners could make special flights with extra security. As for the rest of us, we'd like to keep our clothes on, thanks!
7. Everyone could get a job in private industry. With private industry finally being able to keep the entirety of their earnings, everyone across the board would have more money. All corporations, big and small, would have double their current income, that means they can hire more people and put people back to work. Even a politician with absolutely no skills could get a job!
8. No more Federal Reserve. That means no more fiat money, no more business cycle, and no more inflation. Private industry could coin the money and have full reserve banks. We could move towards a %100 gold backed currency globally and give people truly sound money. No more devaluation of our money through the printing press, and no more silent corporate welfare through inflation.
9. No more artificially induced bubbles. Without the fed inducing the business cycle people would be able to invest wisely and the market could adjust faster to changes in the economy. Companies would be forced to adapt to serve consumers instead of merely adapting to gaming the system to get corporate welfare.
10. No more entrenched elite. The government's illegitimate monopoly on force is the only thing with allows a tiny group to stay in power perpetually through gaming the system and profiting off government handouts and grants of monopoly privilege. End the government, and you destroy their tool of conquest.
11. Freedom. What more is there to say? Without a government there can be no ruling class which claims powers over others. People can organize themselves voluntarily in their own self-interest, the same way we do now in almost every sector of our lives. Our nanny state system is what keeps people hobbled and dependent, remove the rules and restrictions and give people freedom and you'll see a complete societal turn around, just read this!
Chris | InformationLiberation
No government at all? Outlandish, you say?! After you read these 11 reasons, you'll be the first calling for shutting the whole shebang down!
1. We'd have absolutely no taxes. That means everything across the board would be cheaper and everyone would have about twice as much money.
2. We'd have no foreign wars. The US spends $1 trillion dollars a year on our interventionist foreign policy. If we shut the whole government down, that's $1 trillion dollars a year going towards computers, housing, food, technology etc., instead of being spent on bombs to kill people.
3. We'd have no corporate welfare. That means no more banker bailouts, no more handouts to the health insurance companies and big pharma, and no more subsidies for connected special interests. That translates to lower prices and more competition. Health care costs would drastically fall and housing would finally be more affordable.
4. We'd have no more drug war. The miserable drug war would come to an end and we'd stop wasting trillions of dollars to keep drug prices high.
5. We'd have no more police. That means instead of the government running a billion dollar protection racket with people getting abused left and right, we could take the billions we give to the government and instead pay private bodyguards to police our streets as an actual service to consumers at a mere fraction of the cost. The police would not be abusive for the same reason a private bodyguard doesn't beat up the person they're supposed to protect, they're dependent on you for their paycheck. Also they wouldn't have to enforce ridiculous drug laws which account for the majority of supposed crime.
6. No TSA! Let the companies themselves decide how to protect their passengers. If people want to fly in a jail cell and go through naked body scanners, so be it. If there is a market for it, the airliners could make special flights with extra security. As for the rest of us, we'd like to keep our clothes on, thanks!
7. Everyone could get a job in private industry. With private industry finally being able to keep the entirety of their earnings, everyone across the board would have more money. All corporations, big and small, would have double their current income, that means they can hire more people and put people back to work. Even a politician with absolutely no skills could get a job!
8. No more Federal Reserve. That means no more fiat money, no more business cycle, and no more inflation. Private industry could coin the money and have full reserve banks. We could move towards a %100 gold backed currency globally and give people truly sound money. No more devaluation of our money through the printing press, and no more silent corporate welfare through inflation.
9. No more artificially induced bubbles. Without the fed inducing the business cycle people would be able to invest wisely and the market could adjust faster to changes in the economy. Companies would be forced to adapt to serve consumers instead of merely adapting to gaming the system to get corporate welfare.
10. No more entrenched elite. The government's illegitimate monopoly on force is the only thing with allows a tiny group to stay in power perpetually through gaming the system and profiting off government handouts and grants of monopoly privilege. End the government, and you destroy their tool of conquest.
11. Freedom. What more is there to say? Without a government there can be no ruling class which claims powers over others. People can organize themselves voluntarily in their own self-interest, the same way we do now in almost every sector of our lives. Our nanny state system is what keeps people hobbled and dependent, remove the rules and restrictions and give people freedom and you'll see a complete societal turn around, just read this!
we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively
wishers never choose, choosers never wish
wishers never choose, choosers never wish
There is a name for those who do as you wish to do... INMATES... convicted of tax evasion or tax fraud..... sentenced to FEDERAL POUND YOU IN THE ASS PRISON.....
It seems to me that I remember during the run up to the Iraqi war much was made about Saddam Husseign running "rape rooms".
By your reference above are you suggesting that the United States is involved in the same?
Do you advocate that?
Do your income tax dollars finance that?
That is sick!
We should have that shit on pay per View with the proceeds going to "the children".
Peace,
Jim B.
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