Nigel 0 #301 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote***QuoteI liked reading some of the comments following this CNN story, namely, "'Who' says it's 'the right thing to do?' In Nazi Germany the public supported Hitler. Thus, to them, it was 'the right thing to do'. On what basis do we judge right and wrong? Don't say society, because I just demonstrated a case where society was blatantly wrong." Atheists argue for "morality" as though it somehow stands on its own, yet this is blatantly false. If one subscribes to "Natural Law", then one speaks of Darwin, e.g., "survival of the fittest", which works at the street level as well as the national level (just look at Pakistan). Our laws, our so-called "moral code" derive from Judeo-Christian tradition, warts and all. What would atheists substitute if these laws derived from religious tradition are therefore unacceptable, as they somehow always seem to be? mh . Fellow beleivers, I'm saddened and shocked at the level of vitriolic attacks on our brother Cristians. But I have the perfect solution; I'm now offering an 'Assured Salvation package', for only $50. This buys interessionary prayers for 2 nights from the Sisters of Patmos, whose lifelong silence and virginity mean when they call, God listens. I have sole access to these wonderful women (Sister Marina is the newest and youngest member - unfortunately she's also the poorest and her habits are dirty, well filthy really. I hope to improve her dirty habbits and am soliciting funds to get her cleaned up (and penicillin shots for her and, well names don't matter) Treatment will only cost $50 to cure her of malady, So for a paltry '$100 I can guarantee your position in heaven healing Siste Patmos...please send the money to Nigel@dropzone.com, with details of who you would like healed and it shall be so! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nigel 0 #302 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote the golden rule - do onto others ... - stems from a desire to have some peace in your life. A society where every man will cheat and steal at every opportunity is not a happy one, and one that will not persist. By social evolution, groups of people shift naturally to this stance. Yet there seems to be no end of "failed states", and "most corrupt places on Earth" (e.g., Afghan, Iraq, Nigeria, Congo, Whackistan, etc.). How do these square with your philosophy? It appears that most of these are quick to blame everyone else (e.g., Americans,"Crusaders", "neo-Colonialists", the Tooth Fairy, et al) for their failings. How does the Humanist explain this? mh Well. USA was a force for good in WWII. If you're familar with stalinist version of Communism, then Korea and Vietman were possibly justified too. But after that it starts going bad: topling the Iranian government in the late 1950s, assassinating S American politicos. And now, Iraq (Afghanistan is possibly justiifiable too). The Crusaders - no redeeming virtues. Neo-colonists? whoever you mean, the news for the colonized is not good.... In any case, Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Congo all enjoyed the benefits of British - or French - colonial rule. Just think how much poorer they'd have been without it...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nigel 0 #303 April 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote If confirmation did not manifest the faith would die out. It does manifest and faith grows. Islam is growing. What confirmation are muslims getting? Only because they are breeding like cucarachas under the refrigerator, not because they are getting much in the way of converts, voluntary or otherwise. No beer, no bacon? Who in their right mind would willingly sign up for that, eh? mh . Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaybird18c 24 #304 April 26, 2011 Quote Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Presbyterian here (PCA)...no shortage of joy...because my debt has been paid...and I still like beer and Bacon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,535 #305 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,535 #306 April 26, 2011 QuoteThere were too many witnesses. Too many corroborating stories. The bigger the crowd, the easier to fool. Seriously. QuoteThere's no evidence that they were lying or insane. Especially, not "all" of them. A) It was 2,000 years ago and psychiatrists were notoriously thin on the ground. What evidence would you expect there to be? B) You've missed the point. Go back and read it again.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #307 April 26, 2011 Did you read kallend's reference on why science is inadequate when selling new information? It clearly states that PR propaganda is required regardless whether the salesman or the intended purchaser is liberal or conservative. We can only choose sides. I and my friends have chosen ours. You and your ilk have chosen yours. The line has been drawn. Odds are no one will cross to the other side. Prepare your weapons; it is a Mexican stand-off. Remember the immortal words of General Cornwallis, "Those focking Colonists are sneaky."Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #308 April 26, 2011 QuoteI think it's easier to paint those you disagree with or misunderstand as crazy than to try and understand their point of view. When people make a point of having two-way conversations with invisible presences on a regular basis (without using electronics), their point of view is generally unworthy of consideration - other than for making preparations for when they turn violent, since they all too often do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #309 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Neurotics build castles in the clouds. Psychotics live in them. And what is that old skydiver saying? Oh yeah, "Those who dance appear crazy to those who can't hear the music." Your responses in this thread are making you look poor. Generally you baffle the reader with your extensive vocabulary. Now you are resorting to name calling and that with the incorrect use of terms from the mental health profession. Such frustration and exasperation indicates a losing position. One does not have to dance to be crazy as hell. My goal here is not to make a point as such, but to express my profound contempt for adherents of verifiably false sets of beliefs. Religion is a disease of denial, and universal religions are viral in their epidemiology - the more virulent the pathogen, the more prolific its spread. It could be argued that the analogy continues further in that a more benign pathologen can insulate one from more destructive strains. The Cult of the Magic Jewish Zombie is preferable to some to ingestive disorders involving addictive substances, for instance, much as Penicillium fights other bacilli or cowpox immunizes against smallpox. Superstition can be useful in many pursuits; if sailors had traditionally accepted the reality of what a crapshoot it was to get on that leaky bucket and go offshore, most would have stayed on the farm. As it is, the ocean floor is littered with wrecks whose crews drowned while clutching religious artifacts and talismans. Hey, someone 36 years ago survived just such a catastrophe while hanging on to just such a good luck charm as this, so it must be true! (pay no attention to all those who did the exact same thing and did not pull it off, or to the guy who had no talisman and survived as well). What is the winning/losing part of the bargain? That I have not swayed anyone to my standpoint? News flash: if someone needs me to point out the obvious, they are not very skilled at thinking in the first place, and probably can not tell the difference anyway. You want to believe in a lot of claptrap? Knock yourself out. You want me to respect an atavistic commitment to verifiable falsehood? Do not hold your breath. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #310 April 26, 2011 Quote One does not have to dance to be crazy as hell. My goal here is not to make a point as such, but to express my profound contempt for adherents of verifiably false sets of beliefs. Religion is a disease of denial, and universal religions are viral in their epidemiology - the more virulent the pathogen, the more prolific its spread. It could be argued that the analogy continues further in that a more benign pathologen can insulate one from more destructive strains. The Cult of the Magic Jewish Zombie is preferable to some to ingestive disorders involving addictive substances, for instance, much as Penicillium fights other bacilli or cowpox immunizes against smallpox. Superstition can be useful in many pursuits; if sailors had traditionally accepted the reality of what a crapshoot it was to get on that leaky bucket and go offshore, most would have stayed on the farm. As it is, the ocean floor is littered with wrecks whose crews drowned while clutching religious artifacts and talismans. Hey, someone 36 years ago survived just such a catastrophe while hanging on to just such a good luck charm as this, so it must be true! (pay no attention to all those who did the exact same thing and did not pull it off, or to the guy who had no talisman and survived as well). What is the winning/losing part of the bargain? That I have not swayed anyone to my standpoint? News flash: if someone needs me to point out the obvious, they are not very skilled at thinking in the first place, and probably can not tell the difference anyway. You want to believe in a lot of claptrap? Knock yourself out. You want me to respect an atavistic commitment to verifiable falsehood? Do not hold your breath. BSBD, Winsor Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #311 April 26, 2011 Quote Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares. could we get that in writing, please? I'm a bit tired of the missionaries, constantly pestering me to see the light. They even insist on showing up at races, though those fuckers tend to have a more hateful message rather than a sales pitch for some reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #312 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares. could we get that in writing, please? I'm a bit tired of the missionaries, constantly pestering me to see the light. They even insist on showing up at races, though those fuckers tend to have a more hateful message rather than a sales pitch for some reason. Print my post. However, it was personal. I can't speak for others. I am getting a bit tired of the same old arguments showing up here against the right to share good news.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #313 April 26, 2011 Quote I am getting a bit tired of the same old arguments showing up here against the right to share good news. is that the "Right" (as in RW) or "The Right" (the chosen people- I thought those were either Jews or Calvinists) ? And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #314 April 26, 2011 Quote Quote Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Presbyterian here (PCA)...no shortage of joy...because my debt has been paid...and I still like beer and Bacon. http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/alcohol.htm Your bible says you are not suppose to drink alcohol. Best repent, while you can."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #315 April 26, 2011 Quote And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is their trip, not mine.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,031 #316 April 26, 2011 >Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is >their trip, not mine. While I agree, you will find here that a great many people here associate the actions of extremists with the religion as a whole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #317 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is their trip, not mine. they aren't the only ones that engage in that sort of behavior. Few are so bold to do that in San Francisco, but instead they're content to walk around major events with signs about "You sinners will burn in hell" blah blah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #318 April 26, 2011 Quote>Whose name do we remember? Do you think future generations will remember Stephen Hawking or Osama Bin Laden? Fame isn't always a good indicator of achievement. Fame and notoriety are not the same thing. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #319 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. We remember Galilieo - he's a household name. I don't know any of the names of the Inquisitors - do you? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,535 #320 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you think that someone forced to spend the rest of his life under house arrest and banned from investigating, talking or writing any further on a subject he dedicated much of his life to researching has 'outwitted' the regime?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaybird18c 24 #321 April 27, 2011 The Apostle Paul was beaten, imprisoned, prevented (so he thought) from traveling and taking the good news to the gentiles, and eventually executed in prison. However, his letters became some of the most influential in Christendom. He (rather God) beat the system through Paul...and in doing so...Paul, even imprisoned and in death, shared in God's victory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,067 #322 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. We remember Galilieo - he's a household name. I don't know any of the names of the Inquisitors - do you? mh . Torquemada Since he's an embarrassment to Christianity, it's probably why they forget him.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #323 April 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Considering that man has only been exposed to science for just a small fraction of his existence, we should one day soon be rid of the superstitions of our uneducated ancestors. Yes, I suspect many people to fall away from the faith just as the bible predicts and that religion will evolve into something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I&feature=fvwrel Apparently they'll still be speaking tongues... Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah-ah! Roma-roma-mamaa! Ga-ga-ooh-la-la! Quote If you were able to keep a child free of exposure to religion, and then at the age of 18, give them the God proposition , they would laugh in your face and think you were in need of professional help. Then there would still be the whole new set of problems from exposure to Lady Gaga... I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it's free I want your love and I want your revenge I want your horror I want your design I want your psycho Your vertigo stick.... (it's a pretty deep video if you have the ability to pay close attention to detail....especially the end.) btw, did you notice their tribute to Michael Jackson's tribute to the dead from "Thriller?" Are you drunk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #324 April 27, 2011 I think he is under some extreme stress and very short on sleep... (That could explain it, anyway.)"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." 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Nigel 0 #302 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote the golden rule - do onto others ... - stems from a desire to have some peace in your life. A society where every man will cheat and steal at every opportunity is not a happy one, and one that will not persist. By social evolution, groups of people shift naturally to this stance. Yet there seems to be no end of "failed states", and "most corrupt places on Earth" (e.g., Afghan, Iraq, Nigeria, Congo, Whackistan, etc.). How do these square with your philosophy? It appears that most of these are quick to blame everyone else (e.g., Americans,"Crusaders", "neo-Colonialists", the Tooth Fairy, et al) for their failings. How does the Humanist explain this? mh Well. USA was a force for good in WWII. If you're familar with stalinist version of Communism, then Korea and Vietman were possibly justified too. But after that it starts going bad: topling the Iranian government in the late 1950s, assassinating S American politicos. And now, Iraq (Afghanistan is possibly justiifiable too). The Crusaders - no redeeming virtues. Neo-colonists? whoever you mean, the news for the colonized is not good.... In any case, Afghanistan, Iraq, Nigeria, Congo all enjoyed the benefits of British - or French - colonial rule. Just think how much poorer they'd have been without it...? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nigel 0 #303 April 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote If confirmation did not manifest the faith would die out. It does manifest and faith grows. Islam is growing. What confirmation are muslims getting? Only because they are breeding like cucarachas under the refrigerator, not because they are getting much in the way of converts, voluntary or otherwise. No beer, no bacon? Who in their right mind would willingly sign up for that, eh? mh . Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaybird18c 24 #304 April 26, 2011 Quote Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Presbyterian here (PCA)...no shortage of joy...because my debt has been paid...and I still like beer and Bacon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,535 #305 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,535 #306 April 26, 2011 QuoteThere were too many witnesses. Too many corroborating stories. The bigger the crowd, the easier to fool. Seriously. QuoteThere's no evidence that they were lying or insane. Especially, not "all" of them. A) It was 2,000 years ago and psychiatrists were notoriously thin on the ground. What evidence would you expect there to be? B) You've missed the point. Go back and read it again.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #307 April 26, 2011 Did you read kallend's reference on why science is inadequate when selling new information? It clearly states that PR propaganda is required regardless whether the salesman or the intended purchaser is liberal or conservative. We can only choose sides. I and my friends have chosen ours. You and your ilk have chosen yours. The line has been drawn. Odds are no one will cross to the other side. Prepare your weapons; it is a Mexican stand-off. Remember the immortal words of General Cornwallis, "Those focking Colonists are sneaky."Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #308 April 26, 2011 QuoteI think it's easier to paint those you disagree with or misunderstand as crazy than to try and understand their point of view. When people make a point of having two-way conversations with invisible presences on a regular basis (without using electronics), their point of view is generally unworthy of consideration - other than for making preparations for when they turn violent, since they all too often do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites winsor 236 #309 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Neurotics build castles in the clouds. Psychotics live in them. And what is that old skydiver saying? Oh yeah, "Those who dance appear crazy to those who can't hear the music." Your responses in this thread are making you look poor. Generally you baffle the reader with your extensive vocabulary. Now you are resorting to name calling and that with the incorrect use of terms from the mental health profession. Such frustration and exasperation indicates a losing position. One does not have to dance to be crazy as hell. My goal here is not to make a point as such, but to express my profound contempt for adherents of verifiably false sets of beliefs. Religion is a disease of denial, and universal religions are viral in their epidemiology - the more virulent the pathogen, the more prolific its spread. It could be argued that the analogy continues further in that a more benign pathologen can insulate one from more destructive strains. The Cult of the Magic Jewish Zombie is preferable to some to ingestive disorders involving addictive substances, for instance, much as Penicillium fights other bacilli or cowpox immunizes against smallpox. Superstition can be useful in many pursuits; if sailors had traditionally accepted the reality of what a crapshoot it was to get on that leaky bucket and go offshore, most would have stayed on the farm. As it is, the ocean floor is littered with wrecks whose crews drowned while clutching religious artifacts and talismans. Hey, someone 36 years ago survived just such a catastrophe while hanging on to just such a good luck charm as this, so it must be true! (pay no attention to all those who did the exact same thing and did not pull it off, or to the guy who had no talisman and survived as well). What is the winning/losing part of the bargain? That I have not swayed anyone to my standpoint? News flash: if someone needs me to point out the obvious, they are not very skilled at thinking in the first place, and probably can not tell the difference anyway. You want to believe in a lot of claptrap? Knock yourself out. You want me to respect an atavistic commitment to verifiable falsehood? Do not hold your breath. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #310 April 26, 2011 Quote One does not have to dance to be crazy as hell. My goal here is not to make a point as such, but to express my profound contempt for adherents of verifiably false sets of beliefs. Religion is a disease of denial, and universal religions are viral in their epidemiology - the more virulent the pathogen, the more prolific its spread. It could be argued that the analogy continues further in that a more benign pathologen can insulate one from more destructive strains. The Cult of the Magic Jewish Zombie is preferable to some to ingestive disorders involving addictive substances, for instance, much as Penicillium fights other bacilli or cowpox immunizes against smallpox. Superstition can be useful in many pursuits; if sailors had traditionally accepted the reality of what a crapshoot it was to get on that leaky bucket and go offshore, most would have stayed on the farm. As it is, the ocean floor is littered with wrecks whose crews drowned while clutching religious artifacts and talismans. Hey, someone 36 years ago survived just such a catastrophe while hanging on to just such a good luck charm as this, so it must be true! (pay no attention to all those who did the exact same thing and did not pull it off, or to the guy who had no talisman and survived as well). What is the winning/losing part of the bargain? That I have not swayed anyone to my standpoint? News flash: if someone needs me to point out the obvious, they are not very skilled at thinking in the first place, and probably can not tell the difference anyway. You want to believe in a lot of claptrap? Knock yourself out. You want me to respect an atavistic commitment to verifiable falsehood? Do not hold your breath. BSBD, Winsor Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #311 April 26, 2011 Quote Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares. could we get that in writing, please? I'm a bit tired of the missionaries, constantly pestering me to see the light. They even insist on showing up at races, though those fuckers tend to have a more hateful message rather than a sales pitch for some reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #312 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares. could we get that in writing, please? I'm a bit tired of the missionaries, constantly pestering me to see the light. They even insist on showing up at races, though those fuckers tend to have a more hateful message rather than a sales pitch for some reason. Print my post. However, it was personal. I can't speak for others. I am getting a bit tired of the same old arguments showing up here against the right to share good news.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #313 April 26, 2011 Quote I am getting a bit tired of the same old arguments showing up here against the right to share good news. is that the "Right" (as in RW) or "The Right" (the chosen people- I thought those were either Jews or Calvinists) ? And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #314 April 26, 2011 Quote Quote Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Presbyterian here (PCA)...no shortage of joy...because my debt has been paid...and I still like beer and Bacon. http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/alcohol.htm Your bible says you are not suppose to drink alcohol. Best repent, while you can."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites RonD1120 62 #315 April 26, 2011 Quote And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is their trip, not mine.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,031 #316 April 26, 2011 >Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is >their trip, not mine. While I agree, you will find here that a great many people here associate the actions of extremists with the religion as a whole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #317 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is their trip, not mine. they aren't the only ones that engage in that sort of behavior. Few are so bold to do that in San Francisco, but instead they're content to walk around major events with signs about "You sinners will burn in hell" blah blah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #318 April 26, 2011 Quote>Whose name do we remember? Do you think future generations will remember Stephen Hawking or Osama Bin Laden? Fame isn't always a good indicator of achievement. Fame and notoriety are not the same thing. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #319 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. We remember Galilieo - he's a household name. I don't know any of the names of the Inquisitors - do you? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jakee 1,535 #320 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you think that someone forced to spend the rest of his life under house arrest and banned from investigating, talking or writing any further on a subject he dedicated much of his life to researching has 'outwitted' the regime?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jaybird18c 24 #321 April 27, 2011 The Apostle Paul was beaten, imprisoned, prevented (so he thought) from traveling and taking the good news to the gentiles, and eventually executed in prison. However, his letters became some of the most influential in Christendom. He (rather God) beat the system through Paul...and in doing so...Paul, even imprisoned and in death, shared in God's victory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,067 #322 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. We remember Galilieo - he's a household name. I don't know any of the names of the Inquisitors - do you? mh . Torquemada Since he's an embarrassment to Christianity, it's probably why they forget him.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jclalor 12 #323 April 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Considering that man has only been exposed to science for just a small fraction of his existence, we should one day soon be rid of the superstitions of our uneducated ancestors. Yes, I suspect many people to fall away from the faith just as the bible predicts and that religion will evolve into something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I&feature=fvwrel Apparently they'll still be speaking tongues... Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah-ah! Roma-roma-mamaa! Ga-ga-ooh-la-la! Quote If you were able to keep a child free of exposure to religion, and then at the age of 18, give them the God proposition , they would laugh in your face and think you were in need of professional help. Then there would still be the whole new set of problems from exposure to Lady Gaga... I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it's free I want your love and I want your revenge I want your horror I want your design I want your psycho Your vertigo stick.... (it's a pretty deep video if you have the ability to pay close attention to detail....especially the end.) btw, did you notice their tribute to Michael Jackson's tribute to the dead from "Thriller?" Are you drunk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites stevebabin 0 #324 April 27, 2011 I think he is under some extreme stress and very short on sleep... (That could explain it, anyway.)"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Guest #325 April 27, 2011 I should not have been so generic as to give such an opening. My bad. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 Next Page 13 of 14 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Nigel 0 #303 April 26, 2011 Quote Quote Quote If confirmation did not manifest the faith would die out. It does manifest and faith grows. Islam is growing. What confirmation are muslims getting? Only because they are breeding like cucarachas under the refrigerator, not because they are getting much in the way of converts, voluntary or otherwise. No beer, no bacon? Who in their right mind would willingly sign up for that, eh? mh . Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #304 April 26, 2011 Quote Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Presbyterian here (PCA)...no shortage of joy...because my debt has been paid...and I still like beer and Bacon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,535 #305 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,535 #306 April 26, 2011 QuoteThere were too many witnesses. Too many corroborating stories. The bigger the crowd, the easier to fool. Seriously. QuoteThere's no evidence that they were lying or insane. Especially, not "all" of them. A) It was 2,000 years ago and psychiatrists were notoriously thin on the ground. What evidence would you expect there to be? B) You've missed the point. Go back and read it again.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #307 April 26, 2011 Did you read kallend's reference on why science is inadequate when selling new information? It clearly states that PR propaganda is required regardless whether the salesman or the intended purchaser is liberal or conservative. We can only choose sides. I and my friends have chosen ours. You and your ilk have chosen yours. The line has been drawn. Odds are no one will cross to the other side. Prepare your weapons; it is a Mexican stand-off. Remember the immortal words of General Cornwallis, "Those focking Colonists are sneaky."Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #308 April 26, 2011 QuoteI think it's easier to paint those you disagree with or misunderstand as crazy than to try and understand their point of view. When people make a point of having two-way conversations with invisible presences on a regular basis (without using electronics), their point of view is generally unworthy of consideration - other than for making preparations for when they turn violent, since they all too often do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #309 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Neurotics build castles in the clouds. Psychotics live in them. And what is that old skydiver saying? Oh yeah, "Those who dance appear crazy to those who can't hear the music." Your responses in this thread are making you look poor. Generally you baffle the reader with your extensive vocabulary. Now you are resorting to name calling and that with the incorrect use of terms from the mental health profession. Such frustration and exasperation indicates a losing position. One does not have to dance to be crazy as hell. My goal here is not to make a point as such, but to express my profound contempt for adherents of verifiably false sets of beliefs. Religion is a disease of denial, and universal religions are viral in their epidemiology - the more virulent the pathogen, the more prolific its spread. It could be argued that the analogy continues further in that a more benign pathologen can insulate one from more destructive strains. The Cult of the Magic Jewish Zombie is preferable to some to ingestive disorders involving addictive substances, for instance, much as Penicillium fights other bacilli or cowpox immunizes against smallpox. Superstition can be useful in many pursuits; if sailors had traditionally accepted the reality of what a crapshoot it was to get on that leaky bucket and go offshore, most would have stayed on the farm. As it is, the ocean floor is littered with wrecks whose crews drowned while clutching religious artifacts and talismans. Hey, someone 36 years ago survived just such a catastrophe while hanging on to just such a good luck charm as this, so it must be true! (pay no attention to all those who did the exact same thing and did not pull it off, or to the guy who had no talisman and survived as well). What is the winning/losing part of the bargain? That I have not swayed anyone to my standpoint? News flash: if someone needs me to point out the obvious, they are not very skilled at thinking in the first place, and probably can not tell the difference anyway. You want to believe in a lot of claptrap? Knock yourself out. You want me to respect an atavistic commitment to verifiable falsehood? Do not hold your breath. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #310 April 26, 2011 Quote One does not have to dance to be crazy as hell. My goal here is not to make a point as such, but to express my profound contempt for adherents of verifiably false sets of beliefs. Religion is a disease of denial, and universal religions are viral in their epidemiology - the more virulent the pathogen, the more prolific its spread. It could be argued that the analogy continues further in that a more benign pathologen can insulate one from more destructive strains. The Cult of the Magic Jewish Zombie is preferable to some to ingestive disorders involving addictive substances, for instance, much as Penicillium fights other bacilli or cowpox immunizes against smallpox. Superstition can be useful in many pursuits; if sailors had traditionally accepted the reality of what a crapshoot it was to get on that leaky bucket and go offshore, most would have stayed on the farm. As it is, the ocean floor is littered with wrecks whose crews drowned while clutching religious artifacts and talismans. Hey, someone 36 years ago survived just such a catastrophe while hanging on to just such a good luck charm as this, so it must be true! (pay no attention to all those who did the exact same thing and did not pull it off, or to the guy who had no talisman and survived as well). What is the winning/losing part of the bargain? That I have not swayed anyone to my standpoint? News flash: if someone needs me to point out the obvious, they are not very skilled at thinking in the first place, and probably can not tell the difference anyway. You want to believe in a lot of claptrap? Knock yourself out. You want me to respect an atavistic commitment to verifiable falsehood? Do not hold your breath. BSBD, Winsor Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #311 April 26, 2011 Quote Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares. could we get that in writing, please? I'm a bit tired of the missionaries, constantly pestering me to see the light. They even insist on showing up at races, though those fuckers tend to have a more hateful message rather than a sales pitch for some reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #312 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote Who is pressuring you? What if I told you that we do not need you on our team? You have your reward. I and my colleagues believe our reward is forthcoming. Your personal success and intellect has no effect on us what so ever. Just carry on and enjoy the fruits of your labor. If you run into a problem we will still be here, God willing. Otherwise, no one really cares. could we get that in writing, please? I'm a bit tired of the missionaries, constantly pestering me to see the light. They even insist on showing up at races, though those fuckers tend to have a more hateful message rather than a sales pitch for some reason. Print my post. However, it was personal. I can't speak for others. I am getting a bit tired of the same old arguments showing up here against the right to share good news.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #313 April 26, 2011 Quote I am getting a bit tired of the same old arguments showing up here against the right to share good news. is that the "Right" (as in RW) or "The Right" (the chosen people- I thought those were either Jews or Calvinists) ? And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #314 April 26, 2011 Quote Quote Oh some humorless Scottish sect, such as the 'We Frees'or presbyteriasns. Joyless lot, the bunch of them Presbyterian here (PCA)...no shortage of joy...because my debt has been paid...and I still like beer and Bacon. http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/alcohol.htm Your bible says you are not suppose to drink alcohol. Best repent, while you can."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #315 April 26, 2011 Quote And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is their trip, not mine.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,031 #316 April 26, 2011 >Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is >their trip, not mine. While I agree, you will find here that a great many people here associate the actions of extremists with the religion as a whole. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #317 April 26, 2011 QuoteQuote And what's so good about news like "God hates fags?" Please do not associate me with the Westboro Baptist Church. That is their trip, not mine. they aren't the only ones that engage in that sort of behavior. Few are so bold to do that in San Francisco, but instead they're content to walk around major events with signs about "You sinners will burn in hell" blah blah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #318 April 26, 2011 Quote>Whose name do we remember? Do you think future generations will remember Stephen Hawking or Osama Bin Laden? Fame isn't always a good indicator of achievement. Fame and notoriety are not the same thing. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #319 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. We remember Galilieo - he's a household name. I don't know any of the names of the Inquisitors - do you? mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,535 #320 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you think that someone forced to spend the rest of his life under house arrest and banned from investigating, talking or writing any further on a subject he dedicated much of his life to researching has 'outwitted' the regime?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #321 April 27, 2011 The Apostle Paul was beaten, imprisoned, prevented (so he thought) from traveling and taking the good news to the gentiles, and eventually executed in prison. However, his letters became some of the most influential in Christendom. He (rather God) beat the system through Paul...and in doing so...Paul, even imprisoned and in death, shared in God's victory. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,067 #322 April 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote>One of many, and he wouldn't recant. Agreed. Galileo was accused of the same crime, but he recanted his views on heliocentrism. As a result, he was imprisoned instead of being executed. (His prison sentence was later commuted to house arrest.) Galileo (not only being smart, but showing good judgement and wisdom, wasn't a smart-ass to the Inquisition) lived to fight another day. Whose name do we remember? Just so we're clear, so there's no misunderstanding at all, you have more admiration for people who kowtow to totalitarian regimes than you do for people who challenge them? I have admiration for those who are clever enough to outwit the totalitarians. We remember Galilieo - he's a household name. I don't know any of the names of the Inquisitors - do you? mh . Torquemada Since he's an embarrassment to Christianity, it's probably why they forget him.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #323 April 27, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Considering that man has only been exposed to science for just a small fraction of his existence, we should one day soon be rid of the superstitions of our uneducated ancestors. Yes, I suspect many people to fall away from the faith just as the bible predicts and that religion will evolve into something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrO4YZeyl0I&feature=fvwrel Apparently they'll still be speaking tongues... Rah-rah-ah-ah-ah-ah! Roma-roma-mamaa! Ga-ga-ooh-la-la! Quote If you were able to keep a child free of exposure to religion, and then at the age of 18, give them the God proposition , they would laugh in your face and think you were in need of professional help. Then there would still be the whole new set of problems from exposure to Lady Gaga... I want your ugly I want your disease I want your everything As long as it's free I want your love and I want your revenge I want your horror I want your design I want your psycho Your vertigo stick.... (it's a pretty deep video if you have the ability to pay close attention to detail....especially the end.) btw, did you notice their tribute to Michael Jackson's tribute to the dead from "Thriller?" Are you drunk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #324 April 27, 2011 I think he is under some extreme stress and very short on sleep... (That could explain it, anyway.)"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #325 April 27, 2011 I should not have been so generic as to give such an opening. My bad. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
