sandi 0 #26 April 20, 2011 I see. I haven't followed the birth certificate drama. So, it's an issue of him not producing the long form Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #27 April 20, 2011 >What's the difference? None - but the difference in words can be used to rile up the ignorant. (And get the ignorant vote and you're 90% of the way towards winning an election.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #28 April 20, 2011 Just as with the 9/11 truthers, no amount of arguing or debunking will dissuade them from believing what they want to believe. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funjumper101 15 #29 April 20, 2011 QuoteFactual reasons? Has he produced his birht cert? (not his cert of live birth?) No, he hasnt To me I just wonder what advantage he thinks he is getting by not producing it? Got any ideas? Remember, I dont care at this point Here are the FACTS, Marc. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp Why do you and your kind live in fantasyland? Why can't you concede the fact that you have been totally and completely fooled by the information sources you choose? Pretending that a "Certificate of live birth" is not a "Birth Certificate" is asinine. As in "extremely or utterly foolish." At this point the only people who think that there is any question as to the facts of the matter are complete morons. At least you have made clear where you stand. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #30 April 20, 2011 Obama's actual Kenyan birth certificate was secretly destroyed by government agents, using nanothermite. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sandi 0 #31 April 20, 2011 I just checked my daughter's birth certificate and it is a "Certificate of Live Birth." Mine says certificate of birth, although I was born in France and am a US citizen born abroad so I have a few pages of additional paperwork. All this birth certificate drama seems silly to me. I guess that's why I stay out of politics as much as possible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #32 April 20, 2011 >I just checked my daughter's birth certificate and it is a "Certificate of Live Birth." Wow! Did you know she was born in Kenya before you saw that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #33 April 20, 2011 Quote>I just checked my daughter's birth certificate and it is a "Certificate of Live Birth." Wow! Did you know she was born in Kenya before you saw that? At this point if you believe Obama was or was not born here is not important, what is important is why someone would spend millions in law suites and lawyers to not produce something you can get for less than $100. give me an answer to that question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #34 April 20, 2011 >At this point if you believe Obama was or was not born here is not important Exactly. This is the new GOP philosophy - the facts are not important, it's all in who we can smear. John Kyl was just the first to openly admit it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #35 April 20, 2011 Quote>At this point if you believe Obama was or was not born here is not important Exactly. This is the new GOP philosophy - the facts are not important, it's all in who we can smear. John Kyl was just the first to openly admit it. Why not put it to rest by just getting the long form birth certificate? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #36 April 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteHas he produced his birht cert? (not his cert of live birth?) What's the difference? A cert of live birth is just a generic document. The birth cert has signatures from those there during the birst from a Dr or nurse, hospital administrator or others. It is called the long form birth cert"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #37 April 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteFactual reasons? Has he produced his birht cert? (not his cert of live birth?) No, he hasnt To me I just wonder what advantage he thinks he is getting by not producing it? Got any ideas? Remember, I dont care at this point There is a huge advantage of letting this go on. He can paint all of his opponents as dolts and crazies. I personally believe he was born in Hawaii but might not HAVE a long form birth certificate. I know this because I never had one till I got married at 38. For years I used my PA Birth Registration Notice. At 38, I was applying for a marriage license in Italy and was told by the Italian Consulate that what I believed was a birth certificate was not. Turns out my parents were given this Birth Registration Notice and never applied to the state for a “birth certificate.” Who knew it wasn’t one? It worked for 38 years. So I applied to the state of PA for a birth certificate and got one. Went to the consulate and was rejected again because I did not have the “Long Form” birth certificate. I applied again to PA and finally got my long form. It states I was born in 1969 but was issued in 2007. Maybe something similar happened to him. Now he doesn’t really have a long form because he never applied for it. Just imagine if he got one issued with a date on it from 2008? Good points on all Like I have said I dont care at this point but I dont know the answer either"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #38 April 20, 2011 Quote >What's the difference? None - but the difference in words can be used to rile up the ignorant. (And get the ignorant vote and you're 90% of the way towards winning an election.) Well, you are wrong as pointed out by another poster there is a difference and there are situations where the cert of live birth does not cover the situation But you cant pass up a good generic slam can you. Even though the ignorace on this topic is now documented to be yours"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #39 April 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteFactual reasons? Has he produced his birht cert? (not his cert of live birth?) No, he hasnt To me I just wonder what advantage he thinks he is getting by not producing it? Got any ideas? Remember, I dont care at this point Here are the FACTS, Marc. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp Why do you and your kind live in fantasyland? Why can't you concede the fact that you have been totally and completely fooled by the information sources you choose? Pretending that a "Certificate of live birth" is not a "Birth Certificate" is asinine. As in "extremely or utterly foolish." At this point the only people who think that there is any question as to the facts of the matter are complete morons. At least you have made clear where you stand. His cert of live birth has been produced as I said His birth cert has not Abercromby of HI has said as much too Remember, he was going to produce it. Now he says he cant find it Gov of HI and a personal family friend of the Obamas dont really care what snopes says"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #40 April 20, 2011 Quote I just checked my daughter's birth certificate and it is a "Certificate of Live Birth." Mine says certificate of birth, although I was born in France and am a US citizen born abroad so I have a few pages of additional paperwork. All this birth certificate drama seems silly to me. I guess that's why I stay out of politics as much as possible. It is silly to me to But the facts are what they are But poking the left is so much fun is situations like this They got the emotional side of this down pat though, I will give them that"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 April 20, 2011 I am thinking this will help you to keep frothing at the mouth Quote BOOK TO REVEAL OBAMA'S 'TRUE' IDENTITY? Wed Apr 20 2011 10:35:52 ET **Exclusive** This year's high stakes publishing project quietly went to press this week, the DRUDGE REPORT has learned. After years of research and digging by the nation's top private investigators, here it comes: "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President." MORE The street date is a LONG month away, and author Jerome Corsi, the man who torpedoed John Kerry's presidential dreams with SWIFT BOAT, has gone underground and is holding his new findings thisclose. "It's utterly devastating," reveals a source close to the publisher. "Obama may learn things he didn't even know about himself!" MORE Does Corsi definitively declare the location of Obama's birth? Will the president's attorneys attempt to interfere with the book's distribution? [The publisher vows to vigorously fight any legal action that may be taken.] Will the book finally -- once and for all -- put an end to the growing controversy? Or will it just ignite new ones!? "When Donald Trump said he sent PIs to Hawaii to get to the bottom of all this, he meant this book," declares an insider. [THE CASE ranked #1,341 on AMAZON's hitparade late Wednesday morning.] Developing... found on Drudge Enjoy"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #42 April 20, 2011 QuoteJust as with the 9/11 truthers, no amount of arguing or debunking will dissuade them from believing what they want to believe. Praise the Lord of certificates. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #43 April 20, 2011 Quote dont really care what snopes says do you really want to go on record saying "I don't really care what the facts are?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #44 April 20, 2011 Quotewhy someone would spend millions in law suites (sic) and lawyers Whoa. You say that like it's a bad thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #45 April 20, 2011 QuoteQuote dont really care what snopes says do you really want to go on record saying "I don't really care what the facts are?" In this case the facts are the long form has not be produces. So in this case, if snopes says he has, it is wrong. There are articles today in the news that verify, from Gov Abercromby himself, that the long form has not be located. So to answer your question, in this case, yes, I will go on record saying that snopes does not have the facts"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #46 April 20, 2011 QuoteQuotewhy someone would spend millions in law suites (sic) and lawyers Whoa. You say that like it's a bad thing. in many cases lawyers are a bad thing and making this country worse every day. when a judge overturns the vote of 8 million people, or stops the truth from being heard or when the lawyer stops the truth from being used in a case or gets a criminal off on a technicality, we loose. we should adjust the sentence not throw out the case if there were violations, and the one that caused the technicality should be held accountable. how many criminals are out because a lawyer or judge covered up the truth because of a technicality? the court room is rarely about thruth and justice anymore. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #47 April 20, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotewhy someone would spend millions in law suites (sic) and lawyers Whoa. You say that like it's a bad thing. in many cases lawyers are a bad thing and making this country worse every day. I see your humor gland isn't functioning today. Your loss. Quote how many criminals are out because a lawyer or judge covered up the truth because of a technicality? Uh, damned few; and I say that with 25+ years of legal practice under my belt, so I'm not just pulling out a tired, old slogan out of my ass. Criminal courts are incredibly biased in favor of the prosecution almost all of the time. Show me a judge who's willing to doubt the credibility of a cop, and I'll show you a pig with wings. I'm not going to waste my time giving you the long version of this. Mind you, this isn't just a matter of conflicting opinions; you simply don't know what the hell you're talking about. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #48 April 20, 2011 >Why not put it to rest by just getting the long form birth certificate? It has been put to rest by the US courts system. Case closed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #49 April 20, 2011 Quote I personally believe he was born in Hawaii but might not HAVE a long form birth certificate. I know this because I never had one till I got married at 38. For years I used my PA Birth Registration Notice. At 38, I was applying for a marriage license in Italy and was told by the Italian Consulate that what I believed was a birth certificate was not. Turns out my parents were given this Birth Registration Notice and never applied to the state for a “birth certificate.” Who knew it wasn’t one? It worked for 38 years. So I applied to the state of PA for a birth certificate and got one. Went to the consulate and was rejected again because I did not have the “Long Form” birth certificate. I applied again to PA and finally got my long form. It states I was born in 1969 but was issued in 2007. so did you still get married in Italy? They certainly weren't making it easy for you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #50 April 20, 2011 Quote>Why not put it to rest by just getting the long form birth certificate? It has been put to rest by the US courts system. Case closed. Ah, but they're federal judges, and thus have a conflict of interest; so they should all recuse themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
