Half of Iowa Republicans don't believe Barack Obama was born in U.S

[jimbrown 0]

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I am really impressed with the blithering ignorance of the folks in Iowa. How did they become so unbelieveably IGNORANT?

OK I'll weigh in here on this Obama birth certificate controversy.

Fact is that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is a birth certificate.
Fact is that his birth certificate doesn't list his father as Obama.
Big fuckin' deal!!!

So his father was a socialist who bedded any girl he could talk into it.

But what does that past history have to do with our current president?

Big Fuckin Deal!!!!

Peace,
Jim B

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[rushmc 23]

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I am really impressed with the blithering ignorance of the folks in Iowa. How did they become so unbelieveably IGNORANT?

OK I'll weigh in here on this Obama birth certificate controversy.

Fact is that Obama was born in Hawaii. There is a birth certificate.
Fact is that his birth certificate doesn't list his father as Obama.
Big fuckin' deal!!!

So his father was a socialist who bedded any girl he could talk into it.

But what does that past history have to do with our current president?

Big Fuckin Deal!!!!

Peace,
Jim B

We are in fly over country
now leave us alone while we pick the next presidential candidates

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>Why? My job does not require proof of citizenship.

Because you just talked about proof you will use to show you are a citizen. You are being asked exactly the same thing Obama is. Let's see if you have the courage to do what you demand others do.

>I believe everyone other than the hard left Marxists of this country (some of which are
>posting in this thread) hates being lied to by their Commander in Chief.

Yes, people hate being lied to by politicians. Which, again, is why you are handing the next election to the democrats.

[kelpdiver 2]

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false, and will remain so for quite some time.

well if that is false, then where does the story come from of Obama having the same SSN as someone from decades ago?

Not disagreeing with you, just wondering how the numbers get doled out. I expect that they did not start with '1' and I expect no one will ever get 999-99-9999 either

the story came from axe grinders on the internet. Or less politely, out of someone's ass.

This is a trivial google lookup:
"SSA has issued about 365 million Social Security numbers, and about 10
million new numbers are assigned each year. But even at this rate, there
will be no need to reissue the same numbers, revise the present system, or
devise a new numbering system for several generations. For this reason, SSA
plans to continue using the nine-digit number.

Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_social_security_numbers_ever_reissued#ixzz1KBPXRt9M"

[rushmc 23]

Which, again, is why you are handing the next election to the democrats.

Do really think I believe you believe this?

No, I dont

But if I am wrong, please, dont let me or anyone stop you from thinking this

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>Do really think I believe you believe this?

I believe that you believe that I don't believe that.

But mangled grammar aside, yes - if the GOP makes the Birther conspiracy theory a central part of their campaign, they will be handing the election to Democrats. Most rational people in most of the country think Birthers and Truthers are nuts, and no one wants nuts running the country.

[rushmc 23]

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>Do really think I believe you believe this?

I believe that you believe that I don't believe that.

But mangled grammar aside, yes - if the GOP makes the Birther conspiracy theory a central part of their campaign, they will be handing the election to Democrats. Most rational people in most of the country think Birthers and Truthers are nuts, and no one wants nuts running the country.

As far as nuts running the country, we got a bunch of them in DC already.

As for your theory of the birthers issue

No canidate is going to make that an issue


The media, as they did with Trump, are trying to make is seem that way but I think most see past that.

So I see this as a great last hope issue for you then

Thanks for clearing that up

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,990]

>As far as nuts running the country, we got a bunch of them in DC already.

That's true! Birther/truther nuts are sort of a different level, though.

>No canidate is going to make that an issue

That would be wise of them (as I mentioned.)

[rushmc 23]

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>As far as nuts running the country, we got a bunch of them in DC already.

That's true! Birther/truther nuts are sort of a different level, though.

>No canidate is going to make that an issue

That would be wise of them (as I mentioned.)

God knows they all pay attention to what you say

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jimbrown 0]

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>As far as nuts running the country, we got a bunch of them in DC already.

That's true! Birther/truther nuts are sort of a different level, ***

LOL! are you throwing the 911 Truth movement into the same pot as the Obama Birth Certificate questionaires?

Peace,
Jim B

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[billvon 2,990]

>are you throwing the 911 Truth movement into the same pot as the Obama Birth
>Certificate questionaires?

Yep. Both the birthers and the truthers are equally convinced they are right. They are both immune to facts. Neither shows much independent thought; they glom on to what some guy posts on a website and parrots it without a second thought. They are driven by their desire for a political outcome rather than any desire to actually find out what happened.

Neither one sticks to any consistent story. Once they are proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they just switch stories and say something like "well, of course that's wrong; I never believed that. But look at THIS new thing I found on the Internet! This is proof positive!"

They are both equally unwilling to do anything to actually investigate the case or prove their position, because they know it's untenable. Birthers demand that Obama post his original birth certificate while refusing to do so themselves. Truthers demand investigation after investigation, without being willing to do any basic research on their own.

[rushmc 23]

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>are you throwing the 911 Truth movement into the same pot as the Obama Birth
>Certificate questionaires?

Yep. Both the birthers and the truthers are equally convinced they are right. They are both immune to facts. Neither shows much independent thought; they glom on to what some guy posts on a website and parrots it without a second thought. They are driven by their desire for a political outcome rather than any desire to actually find out what happened.

Neither one sticks to any consistent story. Once they are proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they just switch stories and say something like "well, of course that's wrong; I never believed that. But look at THIS new thing I found on the Internet! This is proof positive!"

They are both equally unwilling to do anything to actually investigate the case or prove their position, because they know it's untenable. Birthers demand that Obama post his original birth certificate while refusing to do so themselves. Truthers demand investigation after investigation, without being willing to do any basic research on their own.

You post like you are above this

You are no different than those you post about here

except you are on the other side of the fence of those you lable

good stuff

keep it coming

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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>are you throwing the 911 Truth movement into the same pot as the Obama Birth
>Certificate questionaires?

Yep. Both the birthers and the truthers are equally convinced they are right. They are both immune to facts. Neither shows much independent thought; they glom on to what some guy posts on a website and parrots it without a second thought. They are driven by their desire for a political outcome rather than any desire to actually find out what happened.

Neither one sticks to any consistent story. Once they are proven wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, they just switch stories and say something like "well, of course that's wrong; I never believed that. But look at THIS new thing I found on the Internet! This is proof positive!"

They are both equally unwilling to do anything to actually investigate the case or prove their position, because they know it's untenable. Birthers demand that Obama post his original birth certificate while refusing to do so themselves. Truthers demand investigation after investigation, without being willing to do any basic research on their own.

You post like you are above this

You are no different than those you post about here

except you are on the other side of the fence of those you lable

Dude, seriously? Name one thing you think Bill believes that's on a stupidity par with truthers and birthers?

Sweet Jesus man, this is not a partisan issue of left vs right, it's sanity vs fantasy.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

seriously

AGW

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Andy9o8 2]

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seriously

AGW

I was gonna predict you'd say "the Earth being round, and not flat"; but that'll do.

[rushmc 23]

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seriously

AGW

I was gonna predict you'd say "the Earth being round, and not flat"; but that'll do.

You would

but you are in the same boat as him as far as I am concerned. You cant ever be wrong in your own mind and anyone that disagrees with you is uneducated, stupid or both

That is precisely why what you think means nothing to me

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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seriously

AGW

Whether you agree with it or not, if you can't see the difference between a major scientific theory with global support and a crackpot political slur dreamed up by a celebrity lawyer/realtor and propogated by a few idiots with youtube accounts then you really are lost in partisanship.

You need some perspective. Seriously.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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but you are in the same boat as him as far as I am concerned. You cant ever be wrong in your own mind and anyone that disagrees with you is uneducated, stupid or both

And of course your debating style is the very model of open-minded civility.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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seriously

AGW

Whether you agree with it or not, if you can't see the difference between a major scientific theory with global support and a crackpot political slur dreamed up by a celebrity lawyer/realtor and propogated by a few idiots with youtube accounts then you really are lost in partisanship.

You need some perspective. Seriously.

Show me the proof
That is all the perspective I need

But you cant do it

for
showing me where the idiots really reside

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

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seriously

AGW

Whether you agree with it or not, if you can't see the difference between a major scientific theory with global support and a crackpot political slur dreamed up by a celebrity lawyer/realtor and propogated by a few idiots with youtube accounts then you really are lost in partisanship.

You need some perspective. Seriously.

Show me the proof
That is all the perspective I need

But you cant do it

for
showing me where the idiots really reside

The proof (or disproof) for this theory will come with time, though models and lab experiments will continue to attempt to cover new variables as knowledge increases.

OTOH, Obama will always have been born in Hawaii, and new evidence will not come here. And 9/11 will always have been committed by 19 Saudis under Bin Laden's command. Neil Armstrong did in fact land on the moon. None of these conspiracy theories will ever pan out differently than they are now.

There is plenty of evidence to support AGW theories. And even if it turned out that the recent warming is entirely due to the end of the ice age 10000 years ago, it's still has consequences.

In contrast, the mass of evidence is decidedly on the side against the birthers and the 9/11 nuts.

[rushmc 23]

You are right
Iowa needs to catch up with the rest of the country



http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2011-04-25-trump-president-poll.htm

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Still, in the USA TODAY poll, only 38% of Americans say Obama definitely was born in the USA, and 18% say he probably was. Fifteen percent say he probably was born in another country, and 9% say he definitely was born elsewhere.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kelpdiver 2]

from the same article: doesn't seem like (registered) republicans nationwide are much better.

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Republicans are inclined to say the president was born abroad by 43%-35%.

For what it’s worth, not everyone is convinced Trump was born in the USA either: 43% say he definitely was born here, and 20% say he probably was; 7% say he definitely or probably was born in another country. Nearly three in 10 say they don’t know enough to say.