Nataly 38 #126 May 2, 2011 QuoteThere is a record of an interview by al Jazeera in October, 2001, about one month after 9/11. Nothing since that I can find. Are you willing to enlighten us with actual facts, or will we have to be happy with, "once, I believe, in 2003?" Like I said, stop making things up. Not making things up - stop twisting my words. I didn't say the interview of Bin Laden was by Al Jazeera - I said they interviewed a reporter (Robert Fisk, Foreign Correspondent for "The Independent" - he is talking now). My apologies, however, as he was in Iraq in 2003, and his last interview of Bin Laden was in 1997 - got the dates mixed up. So sorry about this one - I am "manning up" and admitting this error. But still it's not possible that no one knew where he was for 10 years... And that is still worrying."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #127 May 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI love your comments thus far in this thread. Three posts about how this won't help Obama get re-elected, one suggesting it may have been bin Laden's own guys that killed him, and one warning of retaliation. Would it hurt that much to just say "nice job everyone"? This was a nice accomplishment for all involved, I wish it hadn't taken so long, but I'm glad it's done. Blues, Dave Oh course the navy Seal team did a fantastic job. Didn't think I needed to say that. Since they probably don't read my comments on this site, who do I need to say that for? My comments so far are for those whose knee-jerk reactions are over the top if they think this is going to matter in the next election. I'm also concerned about any retaliation, aren't you? BTW, I think it's pretty sick that people would go out in the middle of the night, head to the White House or Times Square and rejoice. Reminds me of the people in the ME who were rejoicing when the WTC was hit. People are posting their opinions of the action in this thread, and until this one, your's seeemed pretty negative. As for the people celebrating the kill...meh, I can understand the emotion, but it's not my style. I'm glad the task was carried out successfully. Blues, Dave I'm glad it was successful too. I do wonder if the Seal Team's orders were to just kill him or if they had the option of taking him alive if he surrendered. I have to believe that his intel value would have been tremendous. However, we would probably have to do waterboarding to get it out of him. My understanding is that KSM provided valuable intel that led to OBL's location. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaVinci 0 #128 May 2, 2011 Quote I think it's ridiculous to villify one person for the acts of many. Maybe, but he was the leader and gave the order. QuoteI think de-stabilising and stopping terrorism will take much more than the removal of one leader. Of course, but leaving him alive would have done nothing, Quote I think praising the killing of a person based on our beliefs but denoucing the killing of someone else based on their beliefs is ridiculous. I think bringing justice to the guy who led his troops to attack civilians is not 'killing someone based on our beliefs'. QuoteI think before we can truly hope to get rid of terrorism/war, The West needs to take a long hard look at its policies and reform from within. Have you read OBL's letter to America? Unless we change over to Islam they are not going to stop.... Thats the thing about religious nuts... They only care about religion and are nuts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #129 May 2, 2011 You know...I'm rather a non violent Zen individual but....I think I would not just shot him in the head. I would have gone for the ever popular Persian "To the pain" approach. " To the pain means this: The first thing you lose will be your feet. Below the ankle. You will have stumps available to use within six months. Then your hands, at the wrists. They heal somewhat quicker. Five months is a fair average. Next your nose. No smell of dawn for you. Followed by your tongue. Deeply cut away. Not even a stump left. And then your left eye—" "And then my right eye, and then my ears, and shall we get on with it?" the Prince said. "Wrong!" Westley’s voice rang across the room. "Your ears you keep, so that every shriek of every child shall be yours to cherish—every babe that weeps in fear at your approach, every woman that cries 'Dear God, what is that thing?' will reverberate forever with your perfect ears. That is what 'to the pain' means. It means that I leave you in anguish, in humiliation, in freakish misery until you can stand it no more; so there you have it, pig, there you know, you miserable vomitous mass, and I say this now, and live or die, it’s up to you But that's just meLife through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riddler 0 #130 May 2, 2011 Quotesorry guys - I'm looking now, and underneath Bin Laden, I see Obama on the left, Bush in the middle, and 9/11 first responders on the right. Hmm - checked again this morning, and saw this. In text, way at the bottom of the page, underneath a different story about Obama's birth certificate, "Mixed reviews for Obama's emergency response".Trapped on the surface of a sphere. XKCD Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #131 May 2, 2011 In Reply To Any one think its funny/odd that this supposedly happened 8 days ago and they wait and its made public on the exact day Bush claimed "mission accomplished " ? Not a day earlier,,not a day later.. c'mon. It happened last night. Are you posting from the future? Quote LMAO When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #132 May 2, 2011 Quote In Reply To Any one think its funny/odd that this supposedly happened 8 days ago and they wait and its made public on the exact day Bush claimed "mission accomplished " ? Not a day earlier,,not a day later.. c'mon. It happened last night. Are you posting from the future? Quote LMAO Last night ABC News initially reported he was killed in a drone strike days earlier, and indeed there was a drone strike in Pakistan about 8 days earlier. That was likely where this confusion arose."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #133 May 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteWhat victory? We did what we said we would do. To many people, OBL was a hero that was untouchable. Him dying sends a message that we can find anyone and that we will not stop. QuoteUnfortunately today changes nothing except the POTUS popularity ratings. It is an emotional win for us and an emotional loss for them. Not the end, but still a victory. I can understand why you think that as you are an American and think like an American but to his few followers this is not a day of sorrow but a joyful day as to them he has become 'Shaheed' a martyr and even now sits with God who will reward him (Personally I think he's most likely in the inner most circle of hell but hey its not my call)When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #134 May 2, 2011 QuoteQuote I think it's ridiculous to villify one person for the acts of many. Maybe, but he was the leader and gave the order. QuoteI think de-stabilising and stopping terrorism will take much more than the removal of one leader. Of course, but leaving him alive would have done nothing, Quote I think praising the killing of a person based on our beliefs but denoucing the killing of someone else based on their beliefs is ridiculous. I think bringing justice to the guy who led his troops to attack civilians is not 'killing someone based on our beliefs'. QuoteI think before we can truly hope to get rid of terrorism/war, The West needs to take a long hard look at its policies and reform from within. Have you read OBL's letter to America? Unless we change over to Islam they are not going to stop.... Thats the thing about religious nuts... They only care about religion and are nuts. You might want to think wider http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLNhPMQnWu4&playnext=1&list=PLA87BF4083C960A8BWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #135 May 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteLooks photoshopped I agree, but it came from a good source.... It was also shown on Pakistani TV. QuoteWhy if they had the body did they dump it out at sea before confirming to the world that they got the right man like they did with Al Zawahiri? Muslim burial rights say a body should be buried within 24 hours. They left it at sea to make sure the site didn't become a shrine to him. You may ask why we are treating his body with any level of respect.... So we do not piss off Muslims and are not considered brutish in regard to the faith. Personally, I would have fed him to some hogs on the 9/11 site and then had a BBQ with beer and mostly naked women cooking the hogs. But I am not a politician. @skyrad - I think you mean Al Zarqawi ...not Zawahiri. I can think of several places to bury him rather than drop him in the ocean. Pakistan - They didn't have a problem with keeping him there when he was alive. As for a shrine: a good place to concentrate his followers in case we need to take someone else out.(Zawahiri?) Saudi Arabia - Home, Sweet Home Afghanistan - Where it all began the Sudan - Home, Sweet Home Away from Home Iraq - just because. Central Park - Nothing says Lovin' like the annual Desecration Day festival and parade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #136 May 2, 2011 Yes you're correct, sorry after a while one psychotic nut job starts looking like another to me.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #137 May 2, 2011 I have lost many friends in this very long fight. This is a great victory. USA! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #138 May 2, 2011 To the people who are whining that it was just one terrorist, remember that OBL was also the multi-millionaire who bankroled Al Quaida. It is clear that in some circles it may not be cool to say it, but this is actually a big victory. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skwrl 56 #139 May 2, 2011 You know you're a skydiver if... Last night I got a text from a friend, which read "Osama is dead." My immediate reaction was, "Another canopy collision?!?" Granted, that thought only lasted a second, but...Skwrl Productions - Wingsuit Photography Northeast Bird School - Chief Logistics Guy and Video Dork Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #140 May 2, 2011 Quote To the people who are whining that it was just one terrorist, remember that OBL was also the multi-millionaire who bankroled Al Quaida. It is clear that in some circles it may not be cool to say it, but this is actually a big victory. I doubt he took his money with him ... it will likely still find a use (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #141 May 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteHelicopter insertion of a SEAL Team. This is what I have heard as well I can't authenticate the pic below... Mod if it is not allowed, please remove it. http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6568249-we-think-that-bin-laden-death-photo-just-the-photo-is-a-fake"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #142 May 2, 2011 Google Maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=osama&aq=&sll=34.146618,73.249111&sspn=0.081973,0.118275&g=Abbottabad,+pakistan&ie=UTF8&ll=34.187661,73.242615&spn=0.00256,0.003696&t=h&z%3 And the guy who tweeted about it live: http://newsfeed.time.com/2011/05/02/man-live-tweets-u-s-raid-on-osama-bin-laden-without-knowing-it/"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,534 #143 May 2, 2011 QuoteBTW, I think it's pretty sick that people would go out in the middle of the night, head to the White House or Times Square and rejoice. Reminds me of the people in the ME who were rejoicing when the WTC was hitI agree. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #144 May 2, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteHelicopter insertion of a SEAL Team. This is what I have heard as well I can't authenticate the pic below... Mod if it is not allowed, please remove it. http://photoblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/05/02/6568249-we-think-that-bin-laden-death-photo-just-the-photo-is-a-fake Do we have any confirmation of who actually did it? I mean, the SEAL's have a very good PR program. They are typically referred to by the ignorant media when it comes to spec ops. Not downplaying their victory if that's the case. Just saying it's not always them when it comes to small unit/direct action hits. The reason I ask is because I know that Green Berets working with CIA are the main players over there. I was on one of those teams. Not that it really matters, though. Good job to whoever did it! Been a long time coming. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #145 May 2, 2011 Looks like Osama Bin Laden had his address on the PlayStation network...When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #146 May 2, 2011 Quote Looks like Osama Bin Laden had his address on the PlayStation network... "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #147 May 2, 2011 I’m not a religious man but… Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #148 May 2, 2011 Maybe the Navy Seal was a guy named Jesus. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #149 May 2, 2011 Quote I’m not a religious man but… Now that's funny. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #150 May 2, 2011 I live in North Alabama, where we have extensive tornado damage...no power for the last 5 days. The power came back on this morning, and the first thing I read is that OBL has been killed. This is going to be a good day."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
