quade 4 #251 May 2, 2011 QuoteThere are not enough hours in the day to read this thread, but question. Has anyone used Godwin's Law yet? If it will make you happy . . . April 30 was the 66th anniversary of Hitler's bunker.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #252 May 2, 2011 NPR just interviewed the head of BBC's Urdu office. He reported three helicopters, and stated that the residents of the community were warned to stay indoors. He didn't elaborate whether the warning came from the air or the ground, but mentioned that it led them to believe the warning came from a Pakistani organization."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #253 May 2, 2011 Quote ...(and I never thought I'd say this) if I saw him right now, I'd want to shake his hand. He is the Commander-in-chief, he had to make the decision, and he did good. Give credit where it is due. Hear, hear. Tough call by the CINC, but it was the right one. I'm really proud to call him my President today. He didn't wimp out like Jimmy Carter, that's for damn certain. Some fine day all of what happened will be made public, but I'll bet the Chief feels like Admirals Nimitz and Halsey when they found out that those airmen had bagged Yamamoto. Obama deserves our appreciation and admiration for the way he and his staff managed the entire operation from start to finish. And for the Seal who pulled the trigger and put one in OBL's noodle, he should get the Navy Cross. I'm proud of the President, but I've got chills up my spine over the incredible bravery our guys showed. Way to go, guys! Mere words cannot express my admiration! ...oh, and Zawahiri...YOU'RE NEXT, MOTHERFUCKER!!!mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #254 May 2, 2011 Quote Quote ...oh, and Zawahiri...YOU'RE NEXT, MOTHERFUCKER!!! mh . My sentiments exactly. Osama Bin Laden, sorry no 72 virgins for you in paradise. More likely, you get 72 pineapples up your ass a day in hell, top first! All the others who collaborated with OBL who are still alive and hiding will get theirs, eventually. Fucking cocksuckers. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #255 May 2, 2011 Here is a comment on AJ: Indeed, it IS regrettable that he separated himself from the creator of all things. It was by his choice that this was so. That he caused the death of men, women and children in indiscriminate enthusiasm is the worst that humanity can offer as an example and indeed a proof that the Islamic Iblis was correct and that the creator was wrong. That many, many, many others are of the converse views and practices as he, a proof that the Islamic Iblis was wrong. While my parents raised me to never rejoice in the death of any living creature, I can feel satisfied that a dangerous monster is gone. I can feel vindicated and even feel a level of vengeance and justice both were served for my family, as my cousin died in the south tower of the WTC. So, I'll not rejoice, that is improper. I'll not celebrate, that is disgusting. I'll not gloat, that is beneath a proper person. I will simply say, good riddance to bad rubbish. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #256 May 2, 2011 An argument that OBL was being protected by the Pakistani military: http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2011/05/notes-on-the-death-of-osama-bin-laden.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #257 May 2, 2011 He was shot with a Colt rifle (Verified), it was most likely the new 7.62NATO rifle civilian model CM901 also known as the SOCOM 901 The pic is fake though, he would not have had a head left. This is from a good source Even a subsonic round with that much mass would have made a real mess. They probably did not use subsonic in general as it would not penetrate blind barriers well. Plus the helicopters would have given away the presence of troops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #258 May 3, 2011 So last night my x was playing bingo when it was announce that Bin laden was killed. The person making the announcement made the common mistake of referring to Bin Laden as "Obama' Stating that Obama has just been shot and killed, She was shocked at the number of people who applauded. There was then a moment of confusion until they announced the correct name. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #259 May 3, 2011 You do know DEVGRU has access to and does use weapons in every known caliber right? He could have been hit by Ruger 22LR Pistol for all we know. MattAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #260 May 3, 2011 A bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #261 May 3, 2011 QuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgoose71 0 #262 May 3, 2011 Quote A bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Just saw the Chairman of the House Homeland security committee on the news. He was saying that the info that got us Bin Laden came from waterboarding.http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/05/peter-king-tweets-waterboarding-led-to.html"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Life, the Universe, and Everything Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #263 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision. According to some reports, he had no choice. I'm not second guessing Obama or some of the posters on here who were so abhorrent in regards to waterboarding when Bush was President. What I don't understand is how they can be so vociferously against waterboarding but so jubilant about a bullet to the brain. I think you were one of them. Can you explain it to me? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #264 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision. According to some reports, he had no choice. I'm not second guessing Obama or some of the posters on here who were so abhorrent in regards to waterboarding when Bush was President. What I don't understand is how they can be so vociferously against waterboarding but so jubilant about a bullet to the brain. I think you were one of them. Can you explain it to me? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502 He couldn't have explained it any more clearly. Shooting him, unless you reject the claim as false, was necessary when he resisted capture. Waterboarding never is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #265 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision. According to some reports, he had no choice. I'm not second guessing Obama or some of the posters on here who were so abhorrent in regards to waterboarding when Bush was President. What I don't understand is how they can be so vociferously against waterboarding but so jubilant about a bullet to the brain. I think you were one of them. Can you explain it to me? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502 That article does have me puzzled. I would have thought capture would have been preferred so we would have had a chance to get info out of him, e.g. "Where is al-Zawahiri?""There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #266 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision. According to some reports, he had no choice. I'm not second guessing Obama or some of the posters on here who were so abhorrent in regards to waterboarding when Bush was President. What I don't understand is how they can be so vociferously against waterboarding but so jubilant about a bullet to the brain. I think you were one of them. Can you explain it to me? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502 He couldn't have explained it any more clearly. Shooting him, unless you reject the claim as false, was necessary when he resisted capture. Waterboarding never is. Of course the official story was he resisted. What else would they say if the real mission was just to kill him. Unless you are now going to claim this never happens in any kind of law enforcement procedures or military actions. If so, I'd say you have swallowed the "Official Story" hook line and sinker without even having the openmindedness to question the motives of our government. If so, I would encourage you to examine your biases. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nanook 1 #267 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision. According to some reports, he had no choice. I'm not second guessing Obama or some of the posters on here who were so abhorrent in regards to waterboarding when Bush was President. What I don't understand is how they can be so vociferously against waterboarding but so jubilant about a bullet to the brain. I think you were one of them. Can you explain it to me? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502 That article does have me puzzled. I would have thought capture would have been preferred so we would have had a chance to get info out of him, e.g. "Where is al-Zawahiri?" Captured documents in the compound may provide a quicker way of getting info._____________________________ "The trouble with quotes on the internet is that you can never know if they are genuine" - Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #268 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision. According to some reports, he had no choice. I'm not second guessing Obama or some of the posters on here who were so abhorrent in regards to waterboarding when Bush was President. What I don't understand is how they can be so vociferously against waterboarding but so jubilant about a bullet to the brain. I think you were one of them. Can you explain it to me? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502 That article does have me puzzled. I would have thought capture would have been preferred so we would have had a chance to get info out of him, e.g. "Where is al-Zawahiri?" I couldn't agree more. It seems to me that would have been the better course of action. I can think of many ways that he could have been taken alive if that had been the goal. They had him contained, he was no threat to any civilians. Some gas in the ventilation system would have likely done the trick and now we would have a plethora of intel. There's more to this than is being told. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nataly 38 #269 May 3, 2011 The raid was at stupid o'clock in the morning... My guess is he was sleeping..."There is no problem so bad you can't make it worse." - Chris Hadfield « Sors le martinet et flagelle toi indigne contrôleuse de gestion. » - my boss Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #270 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Seriously? You're off the deep end on this one. According to accounts, he was given the option to surrender. He resisted. Bad move mother f'er. I shall not grieve his poor decision. According to some reports, he had no choice. I'm not second guessing Obama or some of the posters on here who were so abhorrent in regards to waterboarding when Bush was President. What I don't understand is how they can be so vociferously against waterboarding but so jubilant about a bullet to the brain. I think you were one of them. Can you explain it to me? http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/02/us-binladen-kill-idUSTRE7413H220110502 That article does have me puzzled. I would have thought capture would have been preferred so we would have had a chance to get info out of him, e.g. "Where is al-Zawahiri?" Captured documents in the compound may provide a quicker way of getting info. I almost feel sorry for Zawahiri - honest. Now the terrorist knows how it feels to be terrorized. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #271 May 3, 2011 QuoteQuotehttp://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/civilian Ah yes.... When the subtleties of the real word fail you... Break out a semantic argument. Funny, I am not "a specialist in Roman or modern civil law"... yet it is the first thing listed. I'd bet the people killed around OBL were not "specialists in Roman or modern civil law" either.... but I could be wrong. You aren't very good with definitions, are you? Unfortunately you aren't entitled to invent your own definitions of words so you can win debates.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #272 May 3, 2011 QuoteThe raid was at stupid o'clock in the morning... My guess is he was sleeping... A couple of flash-bangs could have possibly done it. What's the worst that could have happened? He shoots himself to keep from being taken alive? Something doesn't smell right here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #273 May 3, 2011 Quote Quote A bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me? Just saw the Chairman of the House Homeland security committee on the news. He was saying that the info that got us Bin Laden came from waterboarding.http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/05/peter-king-tweets-waterboarding-led-to.html www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osamabinladen/2011/05/02/id/394820... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #274 May 3, 2011 Quote The raid was at stupid o'clock in the morning... My guess is he was sleeping... If you can sleep through a group of choppers descending on your house, you are a much more sound sleeper than myself."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #275 May 3, 2011 QuoteSomething doesn't smell right here. I agree.My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
