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>What if the cops objective was to kill the rapist from the beginning. What
>if he had "shoot to kill" orders from the Chief of Police?
No.
Now, if that rapist was a Russian who had killed 3000 people, and was holed up in a house in the Ukraine, and was still in charge of an organization that could kill more, then yes - shooting to kill might be a good idea.
>if he had "shoot to kill" orders from the Chief of Police?
No.
Now, if that rapist was a Russian who had killed 3000 people, and was holed up in a house in the Ukraine, and was still in charge of an organization that could kill more, then yes - shooting to kill might be a good idea.
nigel99 466
QuoteCall me naive, but doesn't killing Al Qaeda's leader turn him into a martyr for his cause? I know what the definition of a "real" martyr is, but if I believed in something and my leader were killed, I would not be happy about it...
Reckon this will *increase* violence. And everyone "celebrating" this murder doesn't paint a pretty picture about the West, IMO.
I don't think people get the irony. Arabs celebrating the death of a US soldier are Islamic barbarians that have no concept civilization. Americans celebrating the death of an Arab is different how?
Don't get me wrong, I am not sad that he is gone.
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I don't think people get the irony. Arabs celebrating the death of a US soldier are Islamic barbarians that have no concept civilization. Americans celebrating the death of an Arab is different how?
Which US soldiers are you referring to among the 3000 dead on 9/11? I'm sure there were a handful, but they were acting in a civilian capacity at the time.
How many times is someone going to ask this stupid question?
champu 1
QuoteI don't think people get the irony. Arabs celebrating the death of a US soldier are Islamic barbarians that have no concept civilization. Americans celebrating the death of an Arab is different how?
Don't get me wrong, I am not sad that he is gone.
Don't get me wrong, I think partying in the streets over this is garish.
I think the difference, however, is in regards to how people see the big picture of the conflict, how people measure success, and what path (if any) they're looking at towards an end to conflict.
How do think the celebration of a soldier's death might differ from the death of an iconic leader in terms of the above?
QuoteQuoteThe raid was at stupid o'clock in the morning... My guess is he was sleeping...
A couple of flash-bangs could have possibly done it. What's the worst that could have happened? He shoots himself to keep from being taken alive? Something doesn't smell right here.
The smell of nanothermite getting to ya?
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airdvr 210
QuoteQuoteCall me naive, but doesn't killing Al Qaeda's leader turn him into a martyr for his cause? I know what the definition of a "real" martyr is, but if I believed in something and my leader were killed, I would not be happy about it...
Reckon this will *increase* violence. And everyone "celebrating" this murder doesn't paint a pretty picture about the West, IMO.
I don't think people get the irony. Arabs celebrating the death of a US soldier are Islamic barbarians that have no concept civilization. Americans celebrating the death of an Arab is different how?
Don't get me wrong, I am not sad that he is gone.
Agreed. We wacked that piece of shit and I'm glad he's dead. If you had a relative who died on 9/11 I could understand your jubilance. If we'd have gotten him a couple of years later that might have been different.
10 years on changes my feelings. Quite certain he was being harbored by Pakistan. Almost as certain many knew he was there.
Please don't dent the planet.
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Just a guess. I could be wrong. I'd bet that, if you happened to be a prisoner in a Taliban camp, where they'd beaten, raped, and tortured you for weeks and planned to hang you soon publicly from a sign post at the entrance of town for all (especially their women) to see, you might be overjoyed for a Spec Ops team to bust in at night and shoot each one of your captors in the forehead and get you to safety. Would you still be very upset over the attrocity of killing those who did so much harm to you? Or would you have an overwhelming sense of joy to still be alive? Again...I could be wrong. Reality just seems to change opinions sometimes.
Luckily reasonable countries do not let people who have suffered such extreme circumstances make such decision and I doubt many of the people celebrating on the streets had been involved in any such situations.
I understand the celebrations particularly the ones in the baseball stadiums as the news first went out (before obamas announcement i believe). The ones the next day, while distastefull are understandable imo.
HOWEVER
I do think it shows that america is not as different from the enemies it likes to paint as soulless savages over and over again. There were people in america who celebrated a hated persons death just like people in other countries celebrate when one of the hated americans is killed (the extremists obviously). There were people who stayed at home (the majority I assume) relieved at the news but not elated and there were people who stayed at home who couldn't care less. There are people in these other 'enemy' countries who do the exact same when someone from america or the west is killed
I love America but a lot of you guys are so blind to your own failings and other peoples point of view that it makes you very hard to take seriously
QuoteQuoteDude...no problem. I loved being on the team. I'd still be there if I was single with no really small children. I'd do it all again. I also didn't post that to boast. I do not like coming across that way. I am proud of my service but not in that way. I only did it because it felt a little strange (I'm sure it was my pride) being "called out" on combat experience by a girl. Guess I'm just from another generation. NO OFFENCE INTENDED for those women out there who have served. I deeply respect your service. I mean that. Just struck me as odd. I respect anyone...and I mean anyone who is willing to pick up a rifle and stand with me. I don't care who you are.
You did not come across as boasting. You served, You should be proud and I just wanted to thank you.
As for her, I respect and thank her sevice too. I am about to post that as well
i served. our unit actually guarded the american embassy and residence. who will thank me!?
personally, i was ordered at the dutch embassy and residence, a much better fit in my opinion..
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Coreece 190
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I don't think people get the irony. Arabs celebrating the death of a US soldier are Islamic barbarians that have no concept civilization. Americans celebrating the death of an Arab is different how?
Which US soldiers are you referring to among the 3000 dead on 9/11? I'm sure there were a handful, but they were acting in a civilian capacity at the time.
How many times is someone going to ask this stupid question?
I thank you for your prespective you gave eariler with which I agree... but running in the streets with flags like a bunch of bananna ass monkies makes us look like a pouch of kool-aid sippin' morons...
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
jgoose71 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteA bullet to the brain is OK but waterboarding isn't? Can someone explain this to me?
Just saw the Chairman of the House Homeland security committee on the news. He was saying that the info that got us Bin Laden came from waterboarding.
http://bungalowbillscw.blogspot.com/2011/05/peter-king-tweets-waterboarding-led-to.html
www.newsmax.com/Headline/DonaldRumsfeld-gitmo-waterboarding-osamabinladen/2011/05/02/id/394820
Do you believe Rumsfeild? The standard numbers out there suggest KSM was water boarded 183 times and 2 others were strapped down with him.
Was it a rampant practice? i doubt it. I think the effectiveness of waterboarding will be argued for years.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42863247/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/
The one thing I think most people can agree on though is that the Justice Department's witch hunt of the CIA set back our intelligence gathering by years. I still say we could have caught OBL a lot sooner if it wasn't for Eric Holder or Obama's lack of will in reeling him in.
That said, good job in having the intestinal fortitude to go into a country that was obviously hiding him and pull him out.
"There is an art, it says, or, rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
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rushmc 23
Didn't turn out that way in Korea or Southeast Asia.QuoteQuote
I've done my (active) military service - what the heck do *you* know about war??
The side that kills the most people and breaks the most things
wins
That is what happens when polititions run wars instead of generals
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteDude...no problem. I loved being on the team. I'd still be there if I was single with no really small children. I'd do it all again. I also didn't post that to boast. I do not like coming across that way. I am proud of my service but not in that way. I only did it because it felt a little strange (I'm sure it was my pride) being "called out" on combat experience by a girl. Guess I'm just from another generation. NO OFFENCE INTENDED for those women out there who have served. I deeply respect your service. I mean that. Just struck me as odd. I respect anyone...and I mean anyone who is willing to pick up a rifle and stand with me. I don't care who you are.
You did not come across as boasting. You served, You should be proud and I just wanted to thank you.
As for her, I respect and thank her sevice too. I am about to post that as well
i served. our unit actually guarded the american embassy and residence. who will thank me!?
personally, i was ordered at the dutch embassy and residence, a much better fit in my opinion..
anybody who wears/ has worn, the uniform deserves thanks
Thank you
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
I have to wonder what the ramifications will be of invading another country will be... time will tell I guess.
Is the end result good (in this case) - Sure, more than likely.
Would we put up with it? Almost certainly not.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
Is the end result good (in this case) - Sure, more than likely.
Would we put up with it? Almost certainly not.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
QuoteQuoteQuoteThe raid was at stupid o'clock in the morning... My guess is he was sleeping...
A couple of flash-bangs could have possibly done it. What's the worst that could have happened? He shoots himself to keep from being taken alive? Something doesn't smell right here.
The smell of nanothermite getting to ya?
More like the smell of bullshit.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe raid was at stupid o'clock in the morning... My guess is he was sleeping...
A couple of flash-bangs could have possibly done it. What's the worst that could have happened? He shoots himself to keep from being taken alive? Something doesn't smell right here.
The smell of nanothermite getting to ya?
More like the smell of bullshit.
(.)Y(.)
Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome
can I get this in writing? On a long form?
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