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QuoteQuoteContinuing to repeat the same claims about a "shoot to kill" order does not constitute additional evidence.
No one has ever claimed terrorists have the same rights as Americans when they are in the middle of a battle. Once they're in custody, yes, but not while bullets are flying. Try reading up on the Law of Land Warfare.
This story has really grown legs. What do you think happened during that 25 min. blackout? So now we have him as unarmed, a 25 minute blackout and the he's shot "resisting". Be honest, does this disturb you even just a little? Oh, and now we know they used stealth helicopters to try and get in without waking anybody up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html
What happened during those 25 minutes? How did an unarmed man lying in bed with his wife in the middle of the night, resist arrest to the point that the only option was to shoot him dead?
Well maybe he's not dead but getting the crap tortured out of him somewhere, but even if he is hes not long for this world. If they did just go in and kill him I'll not be shedding a tear, after all Bin Laden declared war on the USA so tough titty, big boys rules.
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I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
QuoteDo you think Osama was defenseless and slept until shot?
I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
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QuoteDo you think Osama was defenseless and slept until shot?
I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
It was really a yes or no question.
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QuoteQuoteDo you think Osama was defenseless and slept until shot?
I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
Define "armed"?
Does that mean he has to be holding one at the exact moment or if he had an AK-47 within reach, would that suffice?
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSomehow I get the feeling that many of the Obama haters would had loved to had seen the SEAL Team blown away by al-Qaeda so as to use it against Obama.
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Dont you agree that only someone really sick in the @#&%ing head would feel this way?
Look in the miror fella
You are the one that brought it up
If this mission got fucked up, you would had been the first on here to take every chance to berate the President. Nope, I would have commended him for trying to take that SOB out
Now that the mission was a success you question whether it was legal. Nope, I dont care in a case like this. I am pointing out what the lefty fuck nuts have done in the past is much different than their reaction to this. Hypocrisy anyone?You complain that they shot an unarmed man.Nope, I dont care. I just want one story. Nothing more You forget that all of those who died on 9/11/01 were mostly unarmed and those who were armed had no fighting chance.Nope, strike three, I gotta wonder where the fuck you get this stuff. Lay off that new drink when you post will ya!
Over the years we have read your bits defending cops who taze or shoot unarmed criminals, yet here you are questioning the action of a Navy SEAL in the midst of a very intense situation where less than a second could had been the death of them all.Thses SEALS are heros. We will never know who they are and for two reasons. Their lives and their honor! Period. Get a clue dude that you are fantiizing The SEAL who double tapped that asswipe did as he was trained to do.Yep, one of those heroes I am talking about He did not second guess the situation. Doing so would had put them all in jeopardy. He did the only thing that he could do. He eliminated the possibility of a threat.Yes
You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the death of bin-Laden (now known as Fish Shit) and the action of the SEAL who took him out. You should be praising the United States Navy for providing the very best to get the job done.
I don't expect that you can feel the level of pride that vets and active military feel for those who went into that compound. I am extremely proud of the finest Navy to ever sail the seven seas and for all who have and all who will serve upon her decks.
GO NAVY
you should be proud. I am of them too. I wonder if they would say the same for you if they followed this thread with all the fantasizing you have been doing here
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Hasn't anyone else seen these stories today about assuming he was wearing explosives?
http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC110506-0000026/Osamas-fate-sealed,-unless-he-was-found-naked
http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC110506-0000026/Osamas-fate-sealed,-unless-he-was-found-naked
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quade 4
QuoteHasn't anyone else seen these stories today about assuming he was wearing explosives?
http://www.todayonline.com/World/EDC110506-0000026/Osamas-fate-sealed,-unless-he-was-found-naked
Further . . . I'm not sure I care whether he was armed or not. Certainly the victims of 9/11 were defenseless.
While it may have turned out differently if bin Laden had immediately raised his hands in surrender, by all accounts that's not what he did. Poor choice on his part I guess.
I'm certainly not going to shed a tear on his behalf.
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Skyrad 0
And lets not forget the crew of the Cole and the staff ot the embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you think Osama was defenseless and slept until shot?
I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
Define "armed"?
Does that mean he has to be holding one at the exact moment or if he had an AK-47 within reach, would that suffice?
Why don't you ask one of your "sources"? I can only go by what Senior Defense Officials have said.
QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) -- The Americans who raided Osama bin Laden's lair met far less resistance than the Obama administration described in the aftermath. The commandos encountered gunshots from only one man, whom they quickly killed, before sweeping the house and shooting others, who were unarmed, a senior defense official said in the latest account.
In Thursday's revised telling, the Navy SEALs mounted a precision, floor-by-floor operation to find the al-Qaida leader and his protectors - but without the prolonged and intense firefight that officials had described for several days.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIN_LADEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-05-05-09-23-57
I'm assuming the AP is an acceptable source for you?
QuoteQuoteQuoteContinuing to repeat the same claims about a "shoot to kill" order does not constitute additional evidence.
No one has ever claimed terrorists have the same rights as Americans when they are in the middle of a battle. Once they're in custody, yes, but not while bullets are flying. Try reading up on the Law of Land Warfare.
This story has really grown legs. What do you think happened during that 25 min. blackout? So now we have him as unarmed, a 25 minute blackout and the he's shot "resisting". Be honest, does this disturb you even just a little? Oh, and now we know they used stealth helicopters to try and get in without waking anybody up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html
What happened during those 25 minutes? How did an unarmed man lying in bed with his wife in the middle of the night, resist arrest to the point that the only option was to shoot him dead?
Well maybe he's not dead but getting the crap tortured out of him somewhere, but even if he is hes not long for this world. If they did just go in and kill him I'll not be shedding a tear, after all Bin Laden declared war on the USA so tough titty, big boys rules.
I have no doubt he is dead.
I'm pretty curious as to why this operation was even made public. Why wouldn't they have gone in, grabbed bin Laden and then taken him to an undisclosed location and interrogated him until they felt they had gotten as much intel as they could and then dropped him in the Ocean? Doing it this way would have been so much more productive and wouldn't have risked the backlash of another terrorist attack on U.S. citizens. What possible reason other than publicity could explain why it was done this way? I'm not attacking Obama, I'd really like to know why he did it this way instead of secretly.
quade 4
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo you think Osama was defenseless and slept until shot?
I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
Define "armed"?
Does that mean he has to be holding one at the exact moment or if he had an AK-47 within reach, would that suffice?
Why don't you ask one of your "sources"? I can only go by what Senior Defense Officials have said.QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) -- The Americans who raided Osama bin Laden's lair met far less resistance than the Obama administration described in the aftermath. The commandos encountered gunshots from only one man, whom they quickly killed, before sweeping the house and shooting others, who were unarmed, a senior defense official said in the latest account.
In Thursday's revised telling, the Navy SEALs mounted a precision, floor-by-floor operation to find the al-Qaida leader and his protectors - but without the prolonged and intense firefight that officials had described for several days.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIN_LADEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-05-05-09-23-57
I'm assuming the AP is an acceptable source for you?
From the SAME ARTICLE you just quoted.
QuoteThe issue of who among the bin Laden group was armed can be a matter of interpretation. To a soldier - and particularly in the case of the SEALs confronting the world's most wanted terrorist - an empty-handed person with a weapon nearby can be considered an armed threat.
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QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you think Osama was defenseless and slept until shot?
I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
Define "armed"?
Does that mean he has to be holding one at the exact moment or if he had an AK-47 within reach, would that suffice?
The latest news story says that only the courier in the guest house was armed and shot at the SEALs who returned fire, killing him and a woman caught in the cross fire.
Obama's son was shot and killed on a staircase, and when the SEALs got to Obama's room, he appeared to lunge for something, possibly a weapon and he was subsequently shot to death.
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I'm pretty curious as to why this operation was even made public. Why wouldn't they have gone in, grabbed bin Laden and then taken him to an undisclosed location and interrogated him until they felt they had gotten as much intel as they could and then dropped him in the Ocean? Doing it this way would have been so much more productive and wouldn't have risked the backlash of another terrorist attack on U.S. citizens. What possible reason other than publicity could explain why it was done this way? I'm not attacking Obama, I'd really like to know why he did it this way instead of secretly.
might have been a good idea 7 or 8 years ago. But now, we need to send out the message that we do get our man, wrong us, and you will be hunted until you're caught or killed.
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>I'm pretty curious as to why this operation was even made public.
To make it clear that you cannot get away with attacking the US. Worth it even with the negative PR value resulting from all the nutty conspiracy theories.
>Doing it this way would have been so much more productive and wouldn't
>have risked the backlash of another terrorist attack on U.S. citizens.
If we grabbed him and didn't tell anyone - Al Qaeda would still know, so we'd still risk the backlash.
To make it clear that you cannot get away with attacking the US. Worth it even with the negative PR value resulting from all the nutty conspiracy theories.
>Doing it this way would have been so much more productive and wouldn't
>have risked the backlash of another terrorist attack on U.S. citizens.
If we grabbed him and didn't tell anyone - Al Qaeda would still know, so we'd still risk the backlash.
I think freethefly has confused rushmc with Gravitymaster.
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QuoteQuoteAbsolutely! In fact, if it weren't for Bush policies, Obama would probably never have even got elected!
You mean Obama did not keep Gitmo?
He did not keep the Patriot Act ?
He did not keep wire taps?
Is that what you mean?
(by the way, how is that hopey changey thing working out for you? Many fell for it I guess
This may be a bit of a thread drift but the way I see it, both our economy and our recent military adventures can be summed up this way.
Bush knocked 'em up (Clinton and Reagan took care of any foreplay). Obama said he'd take care of the woman and massively handicapped child. Just because he took on the responsibility for dealing with the situations doesn't mean that he can un-fuck what was fucked. He can simply deal with what he was handed.....if the lobbyists let him of course.
Gitmo for example. It was wrong to institute in the first place. But then you grab an innocent person and torture and imprison them. Then what? Say "sorry" and "you can go....good luck"? Or do you realize that you just created a terrorist who is unwelcome anywhere on the planet?
Just a couple of thoughts.
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo you think Osama was defenseless and slept until shot?
I believe the WH when they say he was not armed.
Define "armed"?
Does that mean he has to be holding one at the exact moment or if he had an AK-47 within reach, would that suffice?
Why don't you ask one of your "sources"? I can only go by what Senior Defense Officials have said.QuoteWASHINGTON (AP) -- The Americans who raided Osama bin Laden's lair met far less resistance than the Obama administration described in the aftermath. The commandos encountered gunshots from only one man, whom they quickly killed, before sweeping the house and shooting others, who were unarmed, a senior defense official said in the latest account.
In Thursday's revised telling, the Navy SEALs mounted a precision, floor-by-floor operation to find the al-Qaida leader and his protectors - but without the prolonged and intense firefight that officials had described for several days.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BIN_LADEN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-05-05-09-23-57
I'm assuming the AP is an acceptable source for you?
From the SAME ARTICLE you just quoted.QuoteThe issue of who among the bin Laden group was armed can be a matter of interpretation. To a soldier - and particularly in the case of the SEALs confronting the world's most wanted terrorist - an empty-handed person with a weapon nearby can be considered an armed threat.
i don't seem to recall you finding this same standard acceptable when it comes to Police Officers.
There is also a report out there that says the Seals were coming down the hall, and that a very sleepy looking bin Laden stuck his head out to see what was going on and a Seal took a shot or 2 at him and missed.
quade 4
Quotei don't seem to recall you finding this same standard acceptable when it comes to Police Officers.
If you think you can find a quote from me stating that, go for it.
If you can't, then maybe it's just a misperception on your part. I'm pretty damn sure I've never said anything of the sort with regards to police officers going after known criminals.
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QuoteI think freethefly has confused rushmc with Gravitymaster.
That dialogue started from a comment I made in post #511.
They are hard to tell apart from time to time.
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When you're out of the blue and into the black."
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So Obama did this action for publicity instead of doing it the more intelligent way of making it covert.
OK Fine.
But the next time someone accuses a Liberal of using Symbolism over Substance, just remember you defended it in this case.
OK Fine.
But the next time someone accuses a Liberal of using Symbolism over Substance, just remember you defended it in this case.
QuoteQuoteI think freethefly has confused rushmc with Gravitymaster.
That dialogue started from a comment I made in post #511.
They are hard to tell apart from time to time.
Sad that you can't discuss something without all the childish theatrics and personal attacks.
billvon 2,991
>So Obama did this action for publicity instead of doing it the more
>intelligent way of making it covert.
No. But we can understand why you want to believe that.
>intelligent way of making it covert.
No. But we can understand why you want to believe that.
Look in the miror fella
You are the one that brought it up
If this mission got fucked up, you would had been the first on here to take every chance to berate the President.
Now that the mission was a success you question whether it was legal. You complain that they shot an unarmed man. You forget that all of those who died on 9/11/01 were mostly unarmed and those who were armed had no fighting chance.
Over the years we have read your bits defending cops who taze or shoot unarmed criminals, yet here you are questioning the action of a Navy SEAL in the midst of a very intense situation where less than a second could had been the death of them all. The SEAL who double tapped that asswipe did as he was trained to do. He did not second guess the situation. Doing so would had put them all in jeopardy. He did the only thing that he could do. He eliminated the possibility of a threat.
You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the death of bin-Laden (now known as Fish Shit) and the action of the SEAL who took him out. You should be praising the United States Navy for providing the very best to get the job done.
I don't expect that you can feel the level of pride that vets and active military feel for those who went into that compound. I am extremely proud of the finest Navy to ever sail the seven seas and for all who have and all who will serve upon her decks.
GO NAVY
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young