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SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteSo, what advantage does the US get by making this all so public?
If you had gained an information advantage why would you make that fact public?
Turn it around
what advantage would you gain by keeping all of what happened secrete?
I dont expect an answer cause if you think about it, there really is only one answer.
And I am sure you will not like that answer
Well, the advantage is clearly so Obama can do a victory lap. In the old days it would have been leaked ot a trusted journalist and then would have been "neither denied nor confirmed".
The advantage of keeping it silent would be that the UN would not call for an investigation by the International Criminal Court. It would not show insight into how US special forces run operations or what equipment they may use.
It could lead to further intel based on the reactions of parties involved.
Obviously, it could be that the plan was to keep this quiet, at least until the helicopter mishap. Which may account for some of the hasty and faulty information.
I think you give an old man with a bad liver too much credit. I seriously doubt he would be able to fight his way through 2 helicopters loaded with Seals and then escape and carry out a large scale terrorist attack. He's not Rambo.
I think it's too bad we aren't going to be able to get itel from him. I appreciate that you understand I wasn't bashing Obama or the Seals.
I think it's too bad we aren't going to be able to get itel from him. I appreciate that you understand I wasn't bashing Obama or the Seals.
david3 0
QuoteI think you give an old man with a bad liver too much credit. I seriously doubt he would be able to fight his way through 2 helicopters loaded with Seals and then escape and carry out a large scale terrorist attack. He's not Rambo.
I think it's too bad we aren't going to be able to get itel from him. I appreciate that you understand I wasn't bashing Obama or the Seals.
Of course if the place was wired all he would have to do is push a button. So easy even a
rushmc 23
QuoteLike I said, the only changes to the story were armed vs. unarmed, and using the woman as a shield. Shot while resisting hasn't changed.
If you really think they were giving you an engineered story, don't you think they would have worked out all the details ahead of time? The fact that there was initial confusion and people got their facts wrong indicates that the story was not pre-scripted.
The best write up for the changing stories yet
And this article include errors made by the media when they made conclusions about what was being said
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/05/06/bin-laden-killing-white-house-pentagon-cia-botched-storyline/
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteI think you give an old man with a bad liver too much credit. I seriously doubt he would be able to fight his way through 2 helicopters loaded with Seals and then escape and carry out a large scale terrorist attack. He's not Rambo.
I think it's too bad we aren't going to be able to get itel from him. I appreciate that you understand I wasn't bashing Obama or the Seals.
Of course if the place was wired all he would have to do is push a button. So easy even acavemanold man with a bad liver could do it. Then we would have lost the hard copy intel and the stuff in his head.
In the end we have lost the value of the intel anyway
Cause we blabed all over the place (and still are) that we have it
What a sad waste
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
david3 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think you give an old man with a bad liver too much credit. I seriously doubt he would be able to fight his way through 2 helicopters loaded with Seals and then escape and carry out a large scale terrorist attack. He's not Rambo.
I think it's too bad we aren't going to be able to get itel from him. I appreciate that you understand I wasn't bashing Obama or the Seals.
Of course if the place was wired all he would have to do is push a button. So easy even acavemanold man with a bad liver could do it. Then we would have lost the hard copy intel and the stuff in his head.
In the end we have lost the value of the intel anyway
Cause we blabed all over the place (and still are) that we have it
What a sad waste
Or do we? Maybe we are just trying to make his followers believe any plans they had may have been compromised.
We have to stop hanging on everything that is released at face value.
I’d like to think there is just as great a chance they know what they are doing as they don’t know what they are doing.
billvon 2,990
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>What a sad waste
It's Friday, and Osama is still dead. Drown your sorrow over that in a beer and call it a day!
It's Friday, and Osama is still dead. Drown your sorrow over that in a beer and call it a day!
rushmc 23
Quote>What a sad waste
It's Friday, and Obama is still dead. Drown your sorrow over that in a beer and call it a day!
When did he die?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
SkyDekker 1,465
After he moved to Indonesia from Kenya.
You really should try and keep up with the news....
You really should try and keep up with the news....
rushmc 23
QuoteAfter he moved to Indonesia from Kenya.
You really should try and keep up with the news....
Who?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
wmw999 2,439
QuoteIt's Friday, and Obama is still dead
Some people lack a B-S detectorQuoteWhen did he die?
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteIt's Friday, and Obama is still dead
Some people lack a B-S detectorQuoteWhen did he die?
Wendy P.
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
BrokenR1 0
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QuoteQuoteI think you give an old man with a bad liver too much credit. I seriously doubt he would be able to fight his way through 2 helicopters loaded with Seals and then escape and carry out a large scale terrorist attack. He's not Rambo.
I think it's too bad we aren't going to be able to get itel from him. I appreciate that you understand I wasn't bashing Obama or the Seals.
Of course if the place was wired all he would have to do is push a button. So easy even acavemanold man with a bad liver could do it. Then we would have lost the hard copy intel and the stuff in his head.
I'm pretty sure the Seals had intel before going in.
QuoteQuoteIt's Friday, and Obama is still dead
Some people lack a B-S detectorQuoteWhen did he die?
Wendy P.
Now that's pretty funny. I'd say more likely slobbering all over to get in a Zinger would be a more likely cause.
david3 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteI think you give an old man with a bad liver too much credit. I seriously doubt he would be able to fight his way through 2 helicopters loaded with Seals and then escape and carry out a large scale terrorist attack. He's not Rambo.
I think it's too bad we aren't going to be able to get itel from him. I appreciate that you understand I wasn't bashing Obama or the Seals.
Of course if the place was wired all he would have to do is push a button. So easy even acavemanold man with a bad liver could do it. Then we would have lost the hard copy intel and the stuff in his head.
I'm pretty sure the Seals had intel before going in.
Actually no, you are not sure.
Skyrad 0
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QuoteQuoteQuoteContinuing to repeat the same claims about a "shoot to kill" order does not constitute additional evidence.
No one has ever claimed terrorists have the same rights as Americans when they are in the middle of a battle. Once they're in custody, yes, but not while bullets are flying. Try reading up on the Law of Land Warfare.
This story has really grown legs. What do you think happened during that 25 min. blackout? So now we have him as unarmed, a 25 minute blackout and the he's shot "resisting". Be honest, does this disturb you even just a little? Oh, and now we know they used stealth helicopters to try and get in without waking anybody up.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/al-qaeda/8493391/Osama-bin-Laden-dead-Blackout-during-raid-on-bin-Laden-compound.html
What happened during those 25 minutes? How did an unarmed man lying in bed with his wife in the middle of the night, resist arrest to the point that the only option was to shoot him dead?
Well maybe he's not dead but getting the crap tortured out of him somewhere, but even if he is hes not long for this world. If they did just go in and kill him I'll not be shedding a tear, after all Bin Laden declared war on the USA so tough titty, big boys rules.
If anybody cares, I met a Kuwaiti friend for coffee last night downtown (I work nights). He was reluctant to discuss it and quickly changed the subject, but not before saying that OBL "...got what was coming to him."
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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."
I recognize that you are questioning perceived hypocrisy you believe you have witnessed in the past but you are picking the wrong case to strengthen your cause. I don’t believe your posts really have anything to do with this particular incident. I realize you are just playing both sides of the fence to try and prove a point since you already said “I'm glad it was successful too.”
But if we are going to throw out weak hypothetical ideas, how about these.
What if when trying to take him alive he killed the SEALS then escaped? What if he then went on to take 10,000 more lives?
What if the SEALS waited and moved less decisively and it gave him the opportunity to destroy all the information they retrieved in the raid. Think that wasn’t a possibility? How many lives will that information save?
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