Release the Osama "death photo"?

[idrankwhat 0]

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if I were OBL that I would have already made some videos which were to be released after my death. I wouldn't be surprised to see one show up within a few months.

Yeah, well unless it shows him (verified not photo-shopped/video-shopped) holding up a current newspaper, or making a very detailed reference to some specific event that will have just occurred - thus to prove the time-frame - I wouldn't give it a second thought.

My thinking was that the same skeptics/followers who want to see the photos as "proof", even though they will probably choose to believe they're fake, will latch on to any video of OBL as "proof" that he's alive. It seems to be related to the backfire phenomenon that helps keep this forum humming along 24/7.

[normiss 806]

dood - now you're making him sound like Jebus!

[DaVinci 0]

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Independently verifiable proof of DNA match is the best option and gets around the problems of vulgar lurid photos.

Not to his followers that do not have a TV, those that can't read, and do not watch CSI to know what DNA is.

[mdrejhon 8]

You all think the photo is a big moral dilemma?

What should we do about Bin Laden's children?
Pakistan seized nine children ages 2 to 12, from the compound. They were left behind by the US for Pakistan to deal with. [Reference: New York Times]

Mind you, the children is additional evidence Bin Laden was really killed -- and they can be DNA tested too as being proof of Bin Laden lineage. (DNA also comes from the other Bin Laden family in Saudi Arabia too). So the release of the death photo might actually be immaterial in the long run.

What is the biggest moral dilemma is -- these are stateless children educated by a well known terrorist. What happens to these children? Will Pakistan re-educate them, or jail them, or put them in a jihad school, or deport them to Gitmo, or put them to death penalty, or deport to Saudi Arabia, or? Many of these children have evil teachings, but would the same rule apply to those young enough (ie 2 year old) that wouldn't have a memory of the terrorist or teachings? And what will other countries, including the USA pressure them to do?

Ouch.

I wouldn't want to be the country to make that decision.

Mondo BIG MORAL DILEMMAS there -- vastly more controversial than whether or not to release the death photos. This is easily another Speaker Corner topic.

(P.S. Big kudos on nailing the SOB, by the way. FINALLY.)

[idrankwhat 0]

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dood - now you're making him sound like Jebus!

Jesus didn't do video. And if he did I'm pretty sure that the Catholic Church would never release the imagery, especially those of him and Mary Magdalene

[livendive 8]

I can't think of a single good reason to release it. I can think of a few reasonable arguments for not releasing it.

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[ryoder 1,590]

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What should we do about Bin Laden's children?

Well, based on this, it doesn't sound like the kids were necessarily indoctrinated.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/03/bin-laden-will-wives-children

Blowing yourself up for empty promises is for the gullible flunkies at the bottom.
You don't get to be a political leader by being stupid enough to do that yourself.

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[Belgian_Draft 0]

Releasing the photo(s) is like telling your spouse you were unfaithfull once along time ago...no good could possibly come from it.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

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Anyone know how long it takes to match a body to existing DNA samples? Hours? Days?

I am a molecular biologist. You could isolate the DNA from tissue samples in about 20 minutes or so, and if you had a targeted primer for the region of interest, you could sequence it in three hours. Maybe less if you didn't have to sequence very far.

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Anyone know how long it takes to match a body to existing DNA samples? Hours? Days?

I am a molecular biologist. You could isolate the DNA from tissue samples in about 20 minutes or so, and if you had a targeted primer for the region of interest, you could sequence it in three hours. Maybe less if you didn't have to sequence very far.

Thanks.

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[tkhayes 348]

you have 'yes' or 'no'

you forgot 'who gives a shit'

ONE!

[ECVZZ 0]

Enlarge it to poster size and sell it everywhere. All proceeds should go directly to the wounded warrior project. End of story.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

I was on the fence about this question at first, but now I've voted No.

Even Al Qaeda has issued statements about OBL's death on their website. At this point I think any reasonable person should be satisifed.

I don't see much benefit in trotting out a gruesome photo. It won't convince die-hard conspiracy theorists anyway, and would not constitute more evidence than we have now.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

So, do the people who voted Yes still feel the same way, now that even Al Qaeda has said that Osama is dead?

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[rushmc 23]

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So, do the people who voted Yes still feel the same way, now that even Al Qaeda has said that Osama is dead?

I didnt vote

I figure, those who should figure it out, (whether or not to release) will.

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it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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[ryoder 1,590]

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So, do the people who voted Yes still feel the same way, now that even Al Qaeda has said that Osama is dead?

Ah, ha!
That's exactly what they want us to think!
In reality we took out one of his doubles.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[masterrig 1]

They could do like they did in the Old West... Put him in a coffin and lean the coffin against the wall of the undertaker's like they did with outlaws in that era.
I guess, I just don't understand the morbid curiosity to see a dead body with half of his head blown-off. This is one time I'll take our government's word for it.


Chuck

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I just don't understand the morbid curiosity to see a dead body with half of his head blown-off.

Chuck

Neither do I, but there are a lot of sick f*cks around.

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I just don't understand the morbid curiosity to see a dead body with half of his head blown-off.

Chuck

Neither do I, but there are a lot of sick f*cks around.

I get the feeling some of these guys needed to have the body go on tour around the country.. so they could look at it in person.. and maybe get to stick their grimy little fingers in the bullet hole.. just to make sure.

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I just don't understand the morbid curiosity to see a dead body with half of his head blown-off.

Chuck

Neither do I, but there are a lot of sick f*cks around.

I get the feeling some of these guys needed to have the body go on tour around the country.. so they could look at it in person.. and maybe get to stick their grimy little fingers in the bullet hole.. just to make sure.

Strange way of getting closure!


Chuck

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I just don't understand the morbid curiosity to see a dead body with half of his head blown-off.

Chuck

Neither do I, but there are a lot of sick f*cks around.

I get the feeling some of these guys needed to have the body go on tour around the country.. so they could look at it in person.. and maybe get to stick their grimy little fingers in the bullet hole.. just to make sure.

Strange way of getting closure!


Chuck

I never underestimate the lengths of idiocy some people exibit when it comes to the things they do or the ways they need to follow in seeking revenge or to get closure.

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I just don't understand the morbid curiosity to see a dead body with half of his head blown-off.

Chuck

Neither do I, but there are a lot of sick f*cks around.

I get the feeling some of these guys needed to have the body go on tour around the country.. so they could look at it in person.. and maybe get to stick their grimy little fingers in the bullet hole.. just to make sure.

Strange way of getting closure!


Chuck

I never underestimate the lengths of idiocy some people exibit when it comes to the things they do or the ways they need to follow in seeking revenge or to get closure.

Boggles the mind. I think it's been that way since the first caveman.


Chuck

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I never underestimate the lengths of idiocy some people exibit when it comes to the things they do or the ways they need to follow in seeking revenge or to get closure.

Boggles the mind. I think it's been that way since the first caveman.


Chuck

More likely the second cave man.

[JohnRich 4]

A photo of Osama's burial at sea has surfaced!

[freethefly 6]

They're popping up everywhere!

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