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QuoteIf the enemy tortures or kills one of ours then I believe we should capture one of theirs and torture them to confess who did it. Then we should go kill the perpetrator.
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RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteIf the enemy tortures or kills one of ours then I believe we should capture one of theirs and torture them to confess who did it. Then we should go kill the perpetrator.
"An-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye-for-an-eye ... ends in making everybody blind"
Yeah, war'll do that.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteThe nature of war is to kill people and break things.
I think we should do whatever it takes to win. I believe the enemy will do the same.
If the enemy tortures or kills one of ours then I believe we should capture one of theirs and torture them to confess who did it. Then we should go kill the perpetrator.
Why do you make this so complicated?
During WWII, there were certainly some atrocities or summary executions committed by Allied soldiers/Marines at the field-of-battle level. But for the most part, once enemy Axis personnel were evac'ed away from the front line into POW holding, they usually fared FAR better than Allied POWs at the hands of Axis captors. The Allies did not run modern-day Andersonvilles; rather, they generally complied with the Geneva Convention, and often then some. A parallel subject-history can be said about the Korean War, too.
I think that speaks well for how a nation at war should comport itself, and it speaks volumes. The world was already pretty damned dangerous in the 40's and 50's; I really don't think it is SO much more dangerous today that the moral code embodied in the Geneva Convention should be honored in the breach more today than in the previous generation.
nigel99 473
QuoteQuoteQuoteOf course
That is because no one has been tortured
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/bushs-glib-waterboarding_n_599893.html
Can we assume you're taking the "Waterboarding is not torture" stance ?
You dont have to assume, I will verify that
Unless you think we torture all of our SEALS I find it kind of hard to argue about
That is illogical. Most special forces are trained to help prepare them for torture. It would not be surprising to know that they are subjected to "controlled" torture in many varied forms, as part of their training.
Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived.
kallend 2,027
So you quote the Bible on every occasion that it suits you, but totally ignore the Sermon on the Mount.
You come across like a ChINO.
You come across like a ChINO.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
kallend 2,027
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOf course
That is because no one has been tortured
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/bushs-glib-waterboarding_n_599893.html
Can we assume you're taking the "Waterboarding is not torture" stance ?
You dont have to assume, I will verify that
Unless you think we torture all of our SEALS I find it kind of hard to argue about
That is illogical.
I'll have you know that logic is every bit as important to rushmc as are spelling and grammar.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
RonD1120 62
QuoteQuoteThe nature of war is to kill people and break things.
I think we should do whatever it takes to win. I believe the enemy will do the same.
If the enemy tortures or kills one of ours then I believe we should capture one of theirs and torture them to confess who did it. Then we should go kill the perpetrator.
Why do you make this so complicated?
During WWII, there were certainly some atrocities or summary executions committed by Allied soldiers/Marines at the field-of-battle level. But for the most part, once enemy Axis personnel were evac'ed away from the front line into POW holding, they usually fared FAR better than Allied POWs at the hands of Axis captors. The Allies did not run modern-day Andersonvilles; rather, they generally complied with the Geneva Convention, and often then some. A parallel subject-history can be said about the Korean War, too.
I think that speaks well for how a nation at war should comport itself, and it speaks volumes. The world was already pretty damned dangerous in the 40's and 50's; I really don't think it is SO much more dangerous today that the moral code embodied in the Geneva Convention should be honored in the breach more today than in the previous generation.
I agree with your statement.
I simply cannot accept that enhanced interrogation, as I defined it above, is torture.
In time of war there are secret activities required to get the job done. They should be kept secret.
General population POW's, yes, follow the Geneva Convention.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
DanG 1
QuoteI simply cannot accept that enhanced interrogation, as I defined it above, is torture.
That's got nothing to do with what you said. You said:
QuoteIf the enemy tortures or kills one of ours then I believe we should capture one of theirs and torture them to confess who did it
Regardless of whether waterboarding is torture, you have come down quite clearly on the side of using torture on prisoners. How very Christian of you.
- Dan G
wmw999 2,446
McCain is just as invested in having none of the information having come from torture, as Cheney is invested in having it come from torture.
And given how old any torture-generated information is, it'd be a little bit like trying to figure out which person a particular molecule of pee in the swimming pool came from.
Wendy P.
And given how old any torture-generated information is, it'd be a little bit like trying to figure out which person a particular molecule of pee in the swimming pool came from.
Wendy P.
There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)
RonD1120 62
Quote
So you quote the Bible on every occasion that it suits you, but totally ignore the Sermon on the Mount.
You come across like a ChINO.
I fail to see the connection between the USA at war and the Sermon on the Mount.
Are you saying you do not have double standards to fit the circumstances and situations? I call it pragmatic determination or natural law and spiritual law. It is what it is.
You have made reference to your dislike for financial influence on government. However, it doesn't bother you that BHO was groomed and escalated by homegrown terrorists and racketeers.
How about your new mayor? Rahm Emanuel is known to be a hard ass SOB but, I'll wager that you voted for him. Yes? No?
It all depends on the situation.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
RonD1120 62
Quote. How very Christian of you.
You know, I am really sick of your, and others, propensity to use that immature remark.
Read my other posts, different situations require different responses. Get real, we are talking about war.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
rushmc 23
QuoteMcCain is just as invested in having none of the information having come from torture, as Cheney is invested in having it come from torture.
And given how old any torture-generated information is, it'd be a little bit like trying to figure out which person a particular molecule of pee in the swimming pool came from.
Wendy P.
You may wish to learn a bit more about how this is used
There is no attempt to gain info during this process. It is not the point
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOf course
That is because no one has been tortured
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/bushs-glib-waterboarding_n_599893.html
Can we assume you're taking the "Waterboarding is not torture" stance ?
You dont have to assume, I will verify that
Unless you think we torture all of our SEALS I find it kind of hard to argue about
That is illogical.
I'll have you know that logic is every bit as important to rushmc as are spelling and grammar.
I see you are being the professional again
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteOf course
That is because no one has been tortured
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/03/bushs-glib-waterboarding_n_599893.html
Can we assume you're taking the "Waterboarding is not torture" stance ?
You dont have to assume, I will verify that
Unless you think we torture all of our SEALS I find it kind of hard to argue about
That is illogical. Most special forces are trained to help prepare them for torture. It would not be surprising to know that they are subjected to "controlled" torture in many varied forms, as part of their training.
So, you are saying there times when it is torture and there are times it is not?
Talk about illogical
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
The nature of war is to kill people and break things.
I think we should do whatever it takes to win. I believe the enemy will do the same.
If the enemy tortures or kills one of ours then I believe we should capture one of theirs and torture them to confess who did it. Then we should go kill the perpetrator.
Why do you make this so complicated?
We should avoid war and resort to conflict only as a last resort. Once it starts, the enemy should be convinced never to start it with us again.
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