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Torture did NOT lead to finding Osama bin Laden

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It is still a viable option. ;)

Torture: induce extreme physical pain.

Enhanced Interrogation: induce extreme fear, harassment, sleep deprivation, etc.

IMHO.



When a woman is raped, what generally takes longer to heal, her body or her mind? Mental/emotional trauma can be FAR more injurious and longer lasting than phyical trauma, so why would it be ok when the latter is not?

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I think you meant, why is the latter OK when the former is not.

Anyway, my biased and prejudicial POV is, we are at war with terrorists. I am not too concerned about their long term PTSD. They worship death, hate everyone who is not them and don't mind dying. Their mental turmoil does not cause me heartburn.
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Read the thread about how various posters would have handled Bin Laden. There appear to be lots of people here who want to torture for torture's sake.



meh - on an 'anonymous' website, there's always those that talk bigger than they really have the stomach for. I take those posts as just them expressing how upset they were about 9/11 combined with a refusal to communicate in anything much farther than grunts and barks.

Or, they are typing in front of women and want to impress them with how monkey like and manly they are.

It all comes down to women in the end.


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>Torture: induce extreme physical pain.
>Enhanced Interrogation: induce extreme fear, harassment, sleep deprivation, etc.

I think attempts to redefine torture will go over about as well as the recent GOP effort to redefine rape.

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>Torture: induce extreme physical pain.
>Enhanced Interrogation: induce extreme fear, harassment, sleep deprivation, etc.

I think attempts to redefine torture will go over about as well as the recent GOP effort to redefine rape.



You got in kind of late didn't you?

The most amusing aspect of SC is people post with the sincere belief that it makes a difference.
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It is still a viable option. ;)

Torture: induce extreme physical pain.

Enhanced Interrogation: induce extreme fear, harassment, sleep deprivation, etc.

IMHO.



When a woman is raped, what generally takes longer to heal, her body or her mind? Mental/emotional trauma can be FAR more injurious and longer lasting than phyical trauma, so why would it be ok when the latter is not?

Blues,
Dave


I think you meant, why is the latter OK when the former is not.

Anyway, my biased and prejudicial POV is, we are at war with terrorists. I am not too concerned about their long term PTSD. They worship death, hate everyone who is not them and don't mind dying. Their mental turmoil does not cause me heartburn.



The first step in defining your enemy in any conflict is to first set them as TERRORIST.... HADJI....GOOK .... SLOPES ... KRAUTS ....JAPS ....NIPS ....KAFFA and on and on and on. It makes it easier to mistreat, torture and kill other human beings once you can dehumanize them.

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As you and I both realize, it is at times a necessary evil.

In WWII the Japanese had no problems with killing every last American if they got the chance.

The treatment of prisoners was a shining example of this, no matter what they said about the Bushito code, they knew it to be in violation of what was expected as professional soldiers let alone the conventions Geneva.


They merely did not count on losing, many of the war criminals of Japan went unpunished after the war as well.

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As you and I both realize, it is at times a necessary evil.

In WWII the Japanese had no problems with killing every last American if they got the chance.

The treatment of prisoners was a shining example of this, no matter what they said about the Bushito code, they knew it to be in violation of what was expected as professional soldiers let alone the conventions Geneva.


They merely did not count on losing, many of the war criminals of Japan went unpunished after the war as well.



Hate to tell you this.. but THEY did nothing more than to define US (how dare they) as NOT THEM.

After that its easy to mistreat, torture and kill US... because then we are not THEM.

Are you good with "US" progressing towards the being the same as "THEM"

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Anyway, my biased and prejudicial POV is, we are at war with terrorists. I am not too concerned about their long term PTSD. They worship death, hate everyone who is not them and don't mind dying. Their mental turmoil does not cause me heartburn.




The first step in defining your enemy in any conflict is to first set them as TERRORIST.... HADJI....GOOK .... SLOPES ... KRAUTS ....JAPS ....NIPS ....KAFFA and on and on and on. It makes it easier to mistreat, torture and kill other human beings once you can dehumanize them.



Yes, that is pretty much how it goes.
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It doesn't. (Which is a good thing to keep in mind when trying to convert others to one's religion.)



This is exactly what I keep in mind when you post about AGW
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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The most amusing aspect of SC is people post with the sincere belief that it makes a difference.



that's funny, I don't know anyone here with that belief

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Do the men who become prisoners of war accept the process?

Does a man being questioned at a police station accept the process, even if it includes being roughed up? Does that make it OK?

Context isn't everything, Marc, but power, and the ability to say NO and have it matter, means a lot.

SEALs can say NO. Boxers can say NO. Women in consensual relationships can say NO.

Beating victims, rape victims, and prisoners of war cannot say NO. And saying that torture (which waterboarding was defined as before) is part of establishing dominance is bullshit. The subjects are prisoners of war. They're not in charge of anything.

Wendy P.



Explain the no thing to the family and friends of the people in the towers.

I dont like it either

There are a good many things neither of us Like

That does not change what the reality is



"Explain it to the people in the towers" - why do you presume to speak for them or their remaining families?

And isn't that argument just the same as saying that because someone else did something bad, that makes it okay for us to something bad in return?
Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

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And if taking a terrorist and skinning the bastard alive (of course keep it a damn secret!-loose lips sink ships!) kept them from carrying out an attack on US schools like in Beslan Russia- think I'd really give a fuck?



Do you consider yourself a moral person?
Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

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Some people voluntarily choose to have their genitalia pierced.

Using rushmc "logic" that means sticking needles into the genitals of POWs is not torture.

Some people voluntarily choose to have their noses, navels and cheeks pierced.

Using rushmc "logic" that means sticking needles into the bodies of POWs is not torture.

Some people, those into S&M, voluntarily choose to be whipped.

Using rushmc "logic" that means whipping and beating POWs is acceptable.

Some people choose to have anal sex.

Using rushmc "logic" that means sodomizing POWs is acceptable and is not torture.

There's something seriously wrong with rushmc "logic".



thanks for the professionalisms dick!



You are welcome. Not able to deny any of it, are you?



Why would anyone reply to bull shit?

It just validates it

What do you think Dick?



rush - when you reply like this, it makes it obvious that you have been hurt.
Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

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why do you presume to speak for them or their remaining families?

And isn't that argument just the same as saying that because someone else did something bad, that makes it okay for us to something bad in return?



I do not

Nope
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if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
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Some people voluntarily choose to have their genitalia pierced.

Using rushmc "logic" that means sticking needles into the genitals of POWs is not torture.

Some people voluntarily choose to have their noses, navels and cheeks pierced.

Using rushmc "logic" that means sticking needles into the bodies of POWs is not torture.

Some people, those into S&M, voluntarily choose to be whipped.

Using rushmc "logic" that means whipping and beating POWs is acceptable.

Some people choose to have anal sex.

Using rushmc "logic" that means sodomizing POWs is acceptable and is not torture.

There's something seriously wrong with rushmc "logic".



thanks for the professionalisms dick!


You are welcome. Not able to deny any of it, are you?


Why would anyone reply to bull shit?

It just validates it

What do you think Dick?


rush - when you reply like this, it makes it obvious that you have been hurt.


:D:D

That then makes me assume you think, I give a damn about what others or you think of and about me:D

Or
... maybe you missed a couple of posts that explains the comments.

Which is it?

Hmmmm:)
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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>The most amusing aspect of SC is people post with the sincere belief that
>it makes a difference.

It doesn't. (Which is a good thing to keep in mind when trying to convert others to one's religion.)



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster
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>The most amusing aspect of SC is people post with the sincere belief that
>it makes a difference.

It doesn't. (Which is a good thing to keep in mind when trying to convert others to one's religion.)



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Disintegration of the entire vehicle began after an O-ring seal in its right solid rocket booster (SRB) failed at liftoff. The O-ring failure caused a breach in the SRB joint it sealed, allowing pressurized hot gas from within the solid rocket motor to reach the outside and impinge upon the adjacent SRB attachment hardware and external fuel tank. This led to the separation of the right-hand SRB's aft attachment and the structural failure of the external tank. Aerodynamic forces promptly broke up the orbiter.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster



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>The most amusing aspect of SC is people post with the sincere belief that
>it makes a difference.

It doesn't. (Which is a good thing to keep in mind when trying to convert others to one's religion.)



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Disintegration of the entire vehicle began after an O-ring seal in its right solid rocket booster (SRB) failed at liftoff. The O-ring failure caused a breach in the SRB joint it sealed, allowing pressurized hot gas from within the solid rocket motor to reach the outside and impinge upon the adjacent SRB attachment hardware and external fuel tank. This led to the separation of the right-hand SRB's aft attachment and the structural failure of the external tank. Aerodynamic forces promptly broke up the orbiter.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Challenger_disaster



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