quade 4
jimbrown 0
QuoteQuote[I fully support anyones right to not wear helmets and to splatter their pea brains all over the road if that is to be... as long as I do not have to pay for them to scrape up all the gooey stuff or support them if they end up a veggie special.
I agree with you whole heartedly, Amazon.
How do you feel about government mounting a search party for skydivers who left the plane and didn't return to the DZ?
Peace,
Jim B
Depends on whether or not the FAA vectored them over the lake -- doesn't it?
Leaving the plane was a voluntary action in which they put themselves at risk.
I say if any thrill seeker fucks up let them moan in pain until their own dollars or those of some benefactor pay for rescuers.
And not just thrill seekers, if anyone is in pain, I hate it for you but really, do you really expect for me to pay to help you through your plight ?
Why would you?
Who are you to me?
Take care of your own shit and I'll do my dammedest to take care of mine!
Sometimes I think the people of the world are just getting to close to each other.
Maybe it's time for another Babel!!
Peace,
Jim B
ltdiver 3
I find it interesting reading: On former threads there are those pleading for everyone's heathcare to be mandatory, even if it means the government (read, tax payers) to cover it. Then here, an alternate viewpoint; "as long as they're not in a higher risk activity and get in an accident'. 
Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon
Amazon 7
QuoteI find it interesting reading: On former threads there are those pleading for everyone's heathcare to be mandatory, even if it means the government (read, tax payers) to cover it. Then here, an alternate viewpoint; "as long as they're not in a higher risk activity and get in an accident'.
There must be a price for stupidity!!!
If you are gonna do stupid shit.. pay for it yourself.
ltdiver 3
QuoteQuoteI find it interesting reading: On former threads there are those pleading for everyone's heathcare to be mandatory, even if it means the government (read, tax payers) to cover it. Then here, an alternate viewpoint; "as long as they're not in a higher risk activity and get in an accident'.
There must be a price for stupidity!!!
If you are gonna do stupid shit.. pay for it yourself.
Oh, I agree that everyone should pull their own weight. But where do we draw the line? And who decides if it's 'stupid'?
Case in point: Just yesterday a couple of co-workers were late to work. They were stuck behind a traffic accident on the 215 freeway. Seems that a motorcycle had gone down and a car had run over him. A very nasty scene. Who was the stupid one?
Another motorcycle accident a few months back (friend of a co-worker): Again, on a freeway. A car door opened in traffic jammed freeway. An unseen motorcycle hit the door, slid under the car, and again was run over. Who's the stupid one now?
Don't tell me the sky's the limit when there are footprints on the moon
Amazon 7
QuoteQuoteQuoteI find it interesting reading: On former threads there are those pleading for everyone's heathcare to be mandatory, even if it means the government (read, tax payers) to cover it. Then here, an alternate viewpoint; "as long as they're not in a higher risk activity and get in an accident'.
There must be a price for stupidity!!!
If you are gonna do stupid shit.. pay for it yourself.
Oh, I agree that everyone should pull their own weight. But where do we draw the line? And who decides if it's 'stupid'?
Case in point: Just yesterday a couple of co-workers were late to work. They were stuck behind a traffic accident on the 215 freeway. Seems that a motorcycle had gone down and a car had run over him. A very nasty scene. Who was the stupid one?
Another motorcycle accident a few months back (friend of a co-worker): Again, on a freeway. A car door opened in traffic jammed freeway. An unseen motorcycle hit the door, slid under the car, and again was run over. Who's the stupid one now?
INsurance... I myself pay a hell of a lot every year for all of my vehicles.... but I am one of those horrible people who believes in personal responsibilty.... so I pay my way... I expect others to do the same....
Those wishing a free ride and are not responsible and will not pay their own way.... are nothing more than thieves
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There must be a price for stupidity!!!
If you are gonna do stupid shit.. pay for it yourself.
Says a skydiver. No irony there.
QuoteQuoteWhat right does any man or any group of men have to force me to wear a helmet while I ride?
You know what they call non-helmeted motorcycle riders in emergency rooms? Organ donors.
Now, as much as I want to see somebody get your organs, what I don't want to have to do is pay for your government institutionalization when you're only semi-fucked up.
What I want is for you to be a organ donor or a productive member of society. Helmets absolutely help in that regard.
It's a cost thing cupcake. Suck it up for the good of society.
bit of conflict here, Quade - how much are they costing you, exactly? Dead bikers are the cheapest, and you've already pointed out the organ donations - did you subtract from the costs to account for this?
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The average age of the helmeted riders was 37 years, compared with 32 years for unhelmeted riders. Ninety-two percent of all the patients studied were male. The injury severity score for each patient was calculated, and it correlated with the length of the patient's stay in the Trauma Burn Center and with the cost of the patient's hospitalization. The injury severity score for head and neck injuries was significantly higher for patients who had not worn helmets.
Patients who had worn helmets during their crash had average hospital costs of $31,158, as opposed to $37,317 for those who hadn't worn a helmet. Ninety-two percent of the helmeted riders were insured, while only 86 percent of unhelmeted riders were.
Note that this Michigan study only counted survivors, and lidless riders were 40% more likely to die in the accident. Not exactly a big delta/savings, and especially not from a bunch of people who made "femur" a verb.
The bold section is for jimbrown and his hilarious notion that his neck is better off without the helmet.
BrokenR1 0
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There must be a price for stupidity!!!
If you are gonna do stupid shit.. pay for it yourself.
Says a skydiver. No irony there.
Well I for one take steps to cover myself. I do have insurance which I pay for now in case I do need use it later.
I had a boss once who was for mandating helmets. His reasoning to us was that he didn't want to be the one responsible for killing a motorcyclist. Nobody does but if you hit a motorcyclist and it's your fault, it's your fault. Why should they have to prepare for your carelessness? Not saying they shouldn't, just that they shouldn't be forced to. I think your stupid if you don't but I do have plenty of stupid people that I still call friends.
I remember the climbers up in Washington state that had to be rescued and hearing a debate about allowing people to climb mountains. I really hate to lose any freedom because other people that can't understand or are too scared to think you shouldn't do something. Find a viable compromise. If you want to do something risky have an insurance that covers either medical or search and rescue or whatever. You have the coverage you get saved, you don't then you pay the price. It sounds harsh at times but that's life.
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Amazon 7
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There must be a price for stupidity!!!
If you are gonna do stupid shit.. pay for it yourself.
Says a skydiver. No irony there.
My insurance supposedly covers me... how about you bubba
quade 4
QuoteNote that this Michigan study only counted survivors, and lidless riders were 40% more likely to die in the accident. Not exactly a big delta/savings, and especially not from a bunch of people who made "femur" a verb.
But that's only for the hospital stay. It doesn't count the years a person might be useless and long term expensive to take care of with an injury enough to permanently disable them but not kill them.
quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver
The World's Most Boring Skydiver
QuoteQuoteNote that this Michigan study only counted survivors, and lidless riders were 40% more likely to die in the accident. Not exactly a big delta/savings, and especially not from a bunch of people who made "femur" a verb.
But that's only for the hospital stay. It doesn't count the years a person might be useless and long term expensive to take care of with an injury enough to permanently disable them but not kill them.
and again, the helmeted rider is 40% likelier to live, with those serious injuries. The helmet can save the brain, but still give you a broken spine.
But I'm sure you have real data to produce, yes, not just random conjecture? It *may* be true, but you haven't established it.
BrokenR1 0
QuoteQuoteNote that this Michigan study only counted survivors, and lidless riders were 40% more likely to die in the accident. Not exactly a big delta/savings, and especially not from a bunch of people who made "femur" a verb.
But that's only for the hospital stay. It doesn't count the years a person might be useless and long term expensive to take care of with an injury enough to permanently disable them but not kill them.
We can offset those costs by increasing the use of the Death Penalty. Why pay for someone's life in prison when we can just kill them and use it as a deterrent? These are people screwing up on purpose!
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Rap is to music what etch-a-sketch is to art.
I agree with you whole heartedly, Amazon.
How do you feel about government mounting a search party for skydivers who left the plane and didn't return to the DZ?
Peace,
Jim B
Depends on whether or not the FAA vectored them over the lake -- doesn't it?
The World's Most Boring Skydiver