Helmets

[jimbrown 0]

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You realize that this is what I do professionally, right?

No Dave, as hard as it may be for you to believe I really haven't spent much time researching you or your occupation.

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Anyways, believe what you want,

Gee ! Thanks for the *Official* permission!

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A quick recap thus far:

1. Helmets can and do save lives.

They also can and do increase the severity of injuries and can contribute to death.

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2. Civilian rider training is lacking badly.

Agreed. I'm all for having all new riders forfeight their front brake for the first 30,000 miles of their riding experience. Either they will learn really quick or they will exit the gene pool! I also sincerely believe that we should require them to armor-all(TM)their tires prior to any rain storm.
That will get them thinkin' about their choices where a helmet will do them no good!!

Peace,
Jim B
Oh !!! one more thing ..,
I still doubt the very heavy SUV was spun three 360's by the energy of a motorcyle and *ist* travelling at 35 mph.
You may want to recalculate . Your "proffesional" reputation could be at stake here. Just a thought.

Peace,
Jim B

[Andy9o8 2]

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A quick recap thus far:

1. Helmets can and do save lives.

They also can and do increase the severity of injuries and can contribute to death.

That's a dumb argument, and it's used contra seat belts, too. Given the 95% chance that it will help or have a neutral effect, versus the 5% chance that it will do more harm than not, I'll still go with using it.

[kelpdiver 2]

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They also can and do increase the severity of injuries and can contribute to death.

That's a dumb argument, and it's used contra seat belts, too. Given the 95% chance that it will help or have a neutral effect, versus the 5% chance that it will do more harm than not, I'll still go with using it.

having worn a full face lid for > 100k miles of riding, yes, you're 100% correct. Better vision, better hearing, and no mauling of my jaw the only time I had to test one.

[jimbrown 0]

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A quick recap thus far:

1. Helmets can and do save lives.

They also can and do increase the severity of injuries and can contribute to death.

That's a dumb argument, and it's used contra seat belts, too. Given the 95% chance that it will help or have a neutral effect, versus the 5% chance that it will do more harm than not, I'll still go with using it.

I;m not sure where you dug up that "95% chance" Andy ! LOL!
It doesn't really matter.
Look.
If you want to wear a helmet I don't have any problem with that.
The problems come when others want to force me to wear a helmet.

Peace,
Jim B

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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A quick recap thus far:

1. Helmets can and do save lives.

They also can and do increase the severity of injuries and can contribute to death.

That's a dumb argument, and it's used contra seat belts, too. Given the 95% chance that it will help or have a neutral effect, versus the 5% chance that it will do more harm than not, I'll still go with using it.

I;m not sure where you dug up that "95% chance" Andy ! LOL!
It doesn't really matter.
Look.
If you want to wear a helmet I don't have any problem with that.
The problems come when others want to force me to wear a helmet.

Peace,
Jim B

If you don't want to wear one then just say you don't want to wear one. Just stop making up goat-fuck stupid reasons against helmets.
Last summer, not 3 miles from me, a young man was killed on his bike when a car turned left in front of him. He hit the car at less than 35 mph and died of blunt trauma to the head.
He had a helmet.
It was strapped to the seat.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

[jimbrown 0]

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They also can and do increase the severity of injuries and can contribute to death.

That's a dumb argument, and it's used contra seat belts, too. Given the 95% chance that it will help or have a neutral effect, versus the 5% chance that it will do more harm than not, I'll still go with using it.

having worn a full face lid for > 100k miles of riding, yes, you're 100% correct. Better vision, better hearing, and no mauling of my jaw the only time I had to test one.

That's all great!
Funny thing anyone can go to a motorcyclre dealership and try on a full face helmet.
They can put the visor down and walk around the show room for a while.
I'll bet dollars that the majority of them bump into someone or something because their vision and hearing are obstructed.

Maybe I'm wrong.

There are peer revied studies that indicate helmets to be a factor in the injuries
Hey Kelpdiver, what was the cause of your one and only?

I'll be honest , last time I wrecked a bike I was smashed on Tequilla and ridin at night, eighty miles an hour on winding ,curvy North Georgia mountain roads.
No Dog or deer ran out in front of me. No driver cut me off as is so often the litany of those who wreck when riding too fast.
No, I was just an idiot!! !

I remember clearly the realization that my front tire left the pavement. All I was Thinking at the time as I arched with my arms extended and my hands in front of my face was"No posts , no trees , no big rock".

Luckily there were no rocks or trees ,stumps or signposts along my path of decelleration.

When I finally came to a stop I'm thinkin' I'll just pick up my bike and ride the mile or so left to the house.

So I walk over to where the bike stopped and reach down to pick up the handle bars . All that I picked up was the handle bars.
The risers had snapped somewhere along the way .

I dropped them and for some reason I picked up the biggest part of what was left of the headlight assembly and started walkin back toward the road.

Then it occured to me to call my best freind who lived just a few miles away.
When he rounded the curve in the road he says I was still holdin the headlight.

Any way I didn't have any injuries to speak of. Bloody and swollen lip and a little swollen and soreness here and there. A bit of abrasion wounds around.

I haven't gotten on the bike after drinkin ever since and I don't expect to ever again engage in that stupidity.

One thing is for certain though. The helmet did not save my life.

My own bad decisions put it at high risk.

Peace,
Jim B

[Squeak 17]

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Maybe I'm wrong.

Peace,
Jim B

You are, consistantly too by the look of things

You are not now, nor will you ever be, good enough to not die in this sport (Sparky)
My Life ROCKS!
How's yours doing?

[Belgian_Draft 0]

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Maybe I'm wrong

No "maybe" about it.

HAMMER:
Originally employed as a weapon of war, the hammer nowadays is used as a
kind of divining rod to locate the most expensive parts adjacent the
object we are trying to hit.

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Once again the moderators here have chosen to delete a bunch of perfectly innocent messages. So now it's time for some payback once again. Tsk tsk. It's too bad they continue this program of self-induced punishment. It would be so easy if they just left those innocent messages alone, and public. But, when they fucka wit me, I fucka wit them. So here we go again.