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There must be a price for stupidity!!!
If you are gonna do stupid shit.. pay for it yourself.
Says a skydiver. No irony there.
My insurance supposedly covers me... how about you bubba
Are you paying rates appropriate to the risk of skydiving, or are you paying group rates that reflect the costs of a larger population that doesn't participate in sports with such a high rate of orthorpedic surgeries?
I thought so.
In my 20s, my health insurance was as low as $59/month. 10 years of that doesn't even pay for an ER visit - a visit where they don't even do anything for you.
We freeload off the greater population - let's not mince words. So do motorcylists. So do obese people, and many others. But it's pretty hypocritical to pick out the bikers while pretending to be above it.
If I were an asshole legislator like Dick Floyd, I'd bring you great bills like no wingloading over 1.0 unless you carry extra insurance. No swooping ever. No 270s,540s, or even 180s. And large group formations- nah, society can't afford such stupid shit.
Didn't you do (still do?) speed skydiving, Amazon? And get hurt doing it? Talk about a risky endeavor with low margin for error, and bad injuries/costs.
AND >>>> ANOTHER SWING AND A MISS
Tsk tsk tsk.. sad.. really sad.. butt hurt much there Kelp?
Oh FYI I just upsized to a REALLLY big docile less than 1 to 1 canopy and my 1.7 to 1 is retired for now.. and no I was never injured speed diving..
What I can't control is shit ass flying by others in the sky with me.. but I can let others know about said shit flying and avoid ever jumping with that person again.
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Now, as much as I want to see somebody get your organs, what I don't want to have to do is pay for your government institutionalization when you're only semi-fucked up.
What I want is for you to be a organ donor or a productive member of society. Helmets absolutely help in that regard.
It's a cost thing cupcake. Suck it up for the good of society.
I was under the impression that you supported free, that is government, medical care for illegal aliens. Doesn't your position on non-helmet wearing bikers conflict with your previous position?
If I have misread your liberal values statements I apologize.
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Andy9o8 2
QuoteBut what about the government mandating that motorcyclists wear helmets?
What's with that and what gives them the Right?
As I've said in a couple other threads:
It's because it causes everyone's auto liability insurance rates to increase. And it really has nothing to do with "personal freedom".
Riding a motorcycle is mostly personal risk-taking, just like skydiving. However, not wearing a helmet affects others greatly the same way that not wearing a seatbelt in a car does. I'm not referring to health costs, or the impact on family and friends. Or even to health insurance rates.
I'm referring to auto liability rates. When someone fails to wear a motorcycle helmet, or to buckle-up in a car, their risk of serious injury or death, in case of an accident with another vehicle, is greater than if they were helmeted or buckled-up. That increases the potential for all other drivers they might get into an accident with (which is everybody) to have to pay-out more in liability claims to cover the more-serious extent of the motorcyclists' injuries, or the even of their death.
That translates into higher auto insurance premiums for everybody, including businesses that operate fleets of vehicles. Government may or may not intervene about public health concerns, but when it comes to money out of everybody's pocket, yes, the government always has reserved the right to intervene through legislation and regulation.
Andy9o8 2
QuoteI fully support anyones right to not wear helmets and to splatter their pea brains all over the road if that is to be... as long as I do not have to pay for them to scrape up all the gooey stuff or support them if they end up a veggie special.
Except that those who live or run businesses in well-populated states that don't have helmet laws DO have to pay for exactly that - every time they cut an insurance premium check.
[Reply] what I don't want to have to do is pay for your government institutionalization when you're only semi-fucked up.
So the problem is not people riding without a helmet. The problem is socialism. You don't want to pay for somebody fucking himself up. Therefore, fucking himself up must be prevented. Guess what will happen to skydiving under this mode of thinking. 90 percent of the population thinks we're crazy. Too many people femur in or end up paralyzed. They don't want to have to pay for it.
How about letting helmetless Joe pay for it? No. Can't do that. Make him wear a helmet. The last thing we want is people actually having choice because we've given everyone else no choice.
But I'm glad to see that you hate socialism, too, Paul. Making you pay for other peoples' fuckups just sucks.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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I have a choice of whether or not I wear a helmet while riding, so long as I have the required insurance.
I usually wear a skull bucket to appease those that care for me.
I understand enough about motorcycle accidents to realize if I'm in an accident that I NEED a helmet to survive, I most likely would prefer to not have one.
Surviving and living are two very different words to me.
I prefer to not wear a helmet while riding.
I have laid down an 850lb sled without one before too. It's all in the type of accident and the choices you make in your reaction to the situation. Insurance statistics cannot or will not reflect this. Nor do they take into consideration the HUGE increase in riders for the numbers they do produce.
I usually wear a skull bucket to appease those that care for me.
I understand enough about motorcycle accidents to realize if I'm in an accident that I NEED a helmet to survive, I most likely would prefer to not have one.
Surviving and living are two very different words to me.
I prefer to not wear a helmet while riding.
I have laid down an 850lb sled without one before too. It's all in the type of accident and the choices you make in your reaction to the situation. Insurance statistics cannot or will not reflect this. Nor do they take into consideration the HUGE increase in riders for the numbers they do produce.
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I'm referring to auto liability rates. When someone fails to wear a motorcycle helmet, or to buckle-up in a car, their risk of serious injury or death, in case of an accident with another vehicle, is greater than if they were helmeted or buckled-up. That increases the potential for all other drivers they might get into an accident with (which is everybody) to have to pay-out more in liability claims to cover the more-serious extent of the motorcyclists' injuries, or the even of their death.
That translates into higher auto insurance premiums for everybody, including businesses that operate fleets of vehicles. Government may or may not intervene about public health concerns, but when it comes to money out of everybody's pocket, yes, the government always has reserved the right to intervene through legislation and regulation.
Andy, the oversized, understeered hummers/excursions/escalades represent a much bigger financial threat than a few bikers without helmets. Yet we ignore them. It's not about cost, it's about picking on the little segment and ignoring the one with a lot of people in it. That's true here as well, where everyone is or was a skydiver, picking on the rare lidless bikers, despite being very similar. (and unlike riding for transportation, there isn't a non recreational point to our weekend skydiving).
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Oh FYI I just upsized to a REALLLY big docile less than 1 to 1 canopy and my 1.7 to 1 is retired for now.. and no I was never injured speed diving..
So you're part of the group that was recklessly stupid even by skydiver standards, and now you're just in the group that is recklessly stupid by society standards. Gotcha.
You didn't answer the question about group insurance rates either. It's ok, we already know the answer - you bragged about your new benefits a few months ago.
Mind you, I'm all for the notion that health risk should be collectively shared, and that we shouldn't arbitrarily pick up risks we don't support and charge them extra. You and others are in the latter group - hypocritically ignoring your costs and wanting to target another.
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Oh FYI I just upsized to a REALLLY big docile less than 1 to 1 canopy and my 1.7 to 1 is retired for now.. and no I was never injured speed diving..
So you're part of the group that was recklessly stupid even by skydiver standards, and now you're just in the group that is recklessly stupid by society standards. Gotcha.
You didn't answer the question about group insurance rates either. It's ok, we already know the answer - you bragged about your new benefits a few months ago.
Mind you, I'm all for the notion that health risk should be collectively shared, and that we shouldn't arbitrarily pick up risks we don't support and charge them extra. You and others are in the latter group - hypocritically ignoring your costs and wanting to target another.
Can you actually afford to get out there and buy a clue???
Do you even skydive??? Do you even DIVE????
You really should get out more perhaps youshould go chasing a new gun to lust after....you know what they say about that right??? BIG GUN.....
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Stupid is as stupid does dies.
Sometimes even a helmet isn't going to help.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/tulsacrash.asp
Sometimes even a helmet isn't going to help.
http://www.snopes.com/photos/accident/tulsacrash.asp
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Now, as much as I want to see somebody get your organs, what I don't want to have to do is pay for your government institutionalization when you're only semi-fucked up.
What I want is for you to be a organ donor or a productive member of society. Helmets absolutely help in that regard.
It's a cost thing cupcake. Suck it up for the good of society.
I was under the impression that you supported free, that is government, medical care for illegal aliens.
Show me where I said that.
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You seem to have misread quite a bit.
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Those in automobiles should be required to wear helmets and use head and neck restraint as automobile accidents account for a higher number of TBI than does motorcycle accidents in vehicle related accidents. But before we start blaming just one group, let's look at the facts.
http://www.cdc.gov/TraumaticBrainInjury/causes.html
Falls account for the highest number, overall. Would anyone agree that pedestrians should, by law, be required to wear a helmet when walking? It would save a very large sum of money!
http://www.cdc.gov/TraumaticBrainInjury/causes.html
Falls account for the highest number, overall. Would anyone agree that pedestrians should, by law, be required to wear a helmet when walking? It would save a very large sum of money!
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
Paul:
Totally not trying to pick on you, but what else do you think should be regulated if we're all paying for it? Really - the big dogs are diet, tobacco and alcohol. How many twenty somethings do we see who are morbidly obese? Heart disease, metabolic issues. Those are the big ones. People circling the drain for years while being kept alive by nothing more than medical technologies?
How about the ultimate of irresponsibility - the uninsured skydiver? Those people with enough money to drop on rigs and tickets but too broke to get health insurance? Should we ban those jumpers who are out looking for others to cover their asses when they end up paraplegics?
Irresponsibility increases with the increase of a free ride. People used to be free. Not anymore. It seems that limiting freedom comes from making the costs collective, then attempting to limit that collective cost by decreasing the freedom and justifying it by the collective cost. By turning private interest into collective we find ourselves drawn in to social engineering.
It used to be that people killed themselves off. Not anymore.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
Totally not trying to pick on you, but what else do you think should be regulated if we're all paying for it? Really - the big dogs are diet, tobacco and alcohol. How many twenty somethings do we see who are morbidly obese? Heart disease, metabolic issues. Those are the big ones. People circling the drain for years while being kept alive by nothing more than medical technologies?
How about the ultimate of irresponsibility - the uninsured skydiver? Those people with enough money to drop on rigs and tickets but too broke to get health insurance? Should we ban those jumpers who are out looking for others to cover their asses when they end up paraplegics?
Irresponsibility increases with the increase of a free ride. People used to be free. Not anymore. It seems that limiting freedom comes from making the costs collective, then attempting to limit that collective cost by decreasing the freedom and justifying it by the collective cost. By turning private interest into collective we find ourselves drawn in to social engineering.
It used to be that people killed themselves off. Not anymore.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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So you're part of the group that was recklessly stupid even by skydiver standards, and now you're just in the group that is recklessly stupid by society standards. Gotcha.
You didn't answer the question about group insurance rates either. It's ok, we already know the answer - you bragged about your new benefits a few months ago.
Mind you, I'm all for the notion that health risk should be collectively shared, and that we shouldn't arbitrarily pick up risks we don't support and charge them extra. You and others are in the latter group - hypocritically ignoring your costs and wanting to target another.
Can you actually afford to get out there and buy a clue???
Do you even skydive??? Do you even DIVE????
You really should get out more perhaps youshould go chasing a new gun to lust after....you know what they say about that right??? BIG GUN.....
Once again, you have no answers - have to get hostile to make up for it. Pathetic. Just admit the hypocrisy and move on in life. Nothing is gained by pretending its not there. Maybe reread lawrocket's posts since he is willing to make the argument with more kindness.
The last gun I purchased was in 2003, I think. My entire gun collection costs less than my 3 week July trip to Palau, Truk, and Hawaii will.
I was in Vegas a week back at Frontsite. 400 people walking around with a gun on their holster. All very polite - it would have driven you crazy with rage.
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I would support a special exemption from any helmet law for you and kelpdiver.
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QuoteQuotethe state issued me a license to ride a motorcycle after putting me through a comprehensive test course.
If you think that is a comprehensive test course, I have some cones to setup and some slow speed courses for you to try. Before gaining the extensive training and the last two years of professional experience, I *thought* I was a good rider as well.
An MSF instructor I'll call "Safety Steve" came out to a monthly training day a while back. He wanted to try our courses and commented they looked easy, that as an experienced rider and an instructor he can do slow speed maneuvers. After dropping his bike 3 times on our warm up course, he quit riding and just watched for a while.
The point is civilian rider training is a joke. Most of the riders on the roadway, included the ones who have been riding for many years, have no ability to safely handle a motorcycle (unless they are traveling at least 30mph and going in a straight line, so the bike balances them).
My State, MO., does the slow course. The highway patrol officer sets the pace. It is very slow. Under 5mph. I just got my MC endorsement last year, although I've been riding on the street since '76 (I have more time on a motorcycle than I do in a car.) I passed the test 100%
. She did say that very few people ever pass the slow course. Most try it on a big bike. I did it on my Fatboy.
I see people trying to maneuver at slow speed the same they would at higher speeds. They make the mistake of leaning into the turn, rather than countering. I think that the 11 years of riding dirt (part of that motocross) from age 5 to 16 helped me to transition to street fairly easy. The other problem I have seen is fairly new riders (or guys who may had rode a few years when they were young, but now older) buying bikes that are way to big or fast or both for their level of experience. People should get it out of their head that there is nothing wrong with learning the basics on a bike that they might actually be able to handle in a bad situation. Or, be sure to sign the back of their DL if not.
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
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>Why pay for someone's life in prison when we can just kill them and use it >as a deterrent?
Because putting them in jail for life is cheaper.
Because putting them in jail for life is cheaper.
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Quote>Why pay for someone's life in prison when we can just kill them and use it >as a deterrent?
Because putting them in jail for life is cheaper.
Well some might agree with you...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29552692/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/execute-or-not-question-cost/
While others obviously don't...
http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/dp.html#D.Cost
The second one at least has a more wholistic review. Both have an agenda.
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So you're part of the group that was recklessly stupid even by skydiver standards, and now you're just in the group that is recklessly stupid by society standards. Gotcha.
You didn't answer the question about group insurance rates either. It's ok, we already know the answer - you bragged about your new benefits a few months ago.
Mind you, I'm all for the notion that health risk should be collectively shared, and that we shouldn't arbitrarily pick up risks we don't support and charge them extra. You and others are in the latter group - hypocritically ignoring your costs and wanting to target another.
Can you actually afford to get out there and buy a clue???
Do you even skydive??? Do you even DIVE????
You really should get out more perhaps youshould go chasing a new gun to lust after....you know what they say about that right??? BIG GUN.....
Once again, you have no answers - have to get hostile to make up for it. Pathetic. Just admit the hypocrisy and move on in life. Nothing is gained by pretending its not there. Maybe reread lawrocket's posts since he is willing to make the argument with more kindness.
The last gun I purchased was in 2003, I think. My entire gun collection costs less than my 3 week July trip to Palau, Truk, and Hawaii will.
I was in Vegas a week back at Frontsite. 400 people walking around with a gun on their holster. All very polite - it would have driven you crazy with rage.
ANOTHER>>>>>>>> WILD ASS SWING...... AND NUTHIN BUT AIR
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at least you're happy (today) with your delusions. That's healthier than bitter and delusional.
Amazon 7
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
at least you're happy (today) with your delusions. That's healthier than bitter and delusional.
Don't cha got some shootin ta do???
If you think that is a comprehensive test course, I have some cones to setup and some slow speed courses for you to try. Before gaining the extensive training and the last two years of professional experience, I *thought* I was a good rider as well.
An MSF instructor I'll call "Safety Steve" came out to a monthly training day a while back. He wanted to try our courses and commented they looked easy, that as an experienced rider and an instructor he can do slow speed maneuvers. After dropping his bike 3 times on our warm up course, he quit riding and just watched for a while.
The point is civilian rider training is a joke. Most of the riders on the roadway, included the ones who have been riding for many years, have no ability to safely handle a motorcycle (unless they are traveling at least 30mph and going in a straight line, so the bike balances them).
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