dreamdancer 0 #101 May 23, 2011 Quote Nonsense, dream dancer would like you to know that nobody gets rich by working, if you get rich by working then you started off poor - proves my case stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #102 May 23, 2011 I thank you for your comments, now we all know for a fact that you do not really know any facts about anything. If it does not come from a left leaning website or wiki you have nothing to say. I doubt anyone can come up with something you have thought up on your own based upon FACTS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #103 May 23, 2011 Quote he's trying his best to keep up - but he's got this love thing for the rich which distorts his perception of reality... Idon't agree with Bill on much of anything but on this subject I agree 100%. I am sure he doesn't have a "love" of the rich but what I know of Bill is he has worked hard, went to school and has made the best Life for him and his wife. I am sure nothing was handed to him. When you work hard to earn a comfortable living you tend to respect what others have done to raise their station in life. If poor people, and I was one of them mostly by choice(s)(bad) want something different then what they have, then this is the one country they aboslutly have the abillity to change that. Is it easy..no..is it possible hell ya. Now if you start taking the rewards away from the risk why would you want to risk anything? Last thing how in the hell does someone living on welfare, section 8 housing and food stamps have a f'n iPhone? MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #104 May 23, 2011 QuoteBill is he has worked hard, went to school and has made the best Life for him and his wife. I am sure nothing was handed to him. When you work hard to earn a comfortable living you tend to respect what others have done to raise their station in life. i've had a tough life too - but i don't go out of my way to diss the poor. i keep that for the rich - they're in a better position to handle it.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #105 May 23, 2011 QuoteNow if you start taking the rewards away from the risk why would you want to risk anything? you're talking about those bankers again aren't you... (no risk and plenty of reward from our pockets)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #106 May 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteNow if you start taking the rewards away from the risk why would you want to risk anything? you're talking about those bankers again aren't you... (no risk and plenty of reward from our pockets) NO! The bankers should have failed and gone broke and the politicians (Barny Frank) that decided that everyone deserved a home and started this mess should have gone to Jail. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #107 May 23, 2011 Quote>Tax rates need to be progressive, not linear. Right. They are. Inconsistent with your previous statement "It would only be fitting if they paid, say, 40% of the US taxes. "... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #108 May 23, 2011 >except when the rich get too rich and start building money palaces >that crash the financial system. Or when home buyers get too stupid and buy houses they can't afford, thus crashing the financial system. >then there's a recession and depression and the rich have to be relieved >of some of their excess money for the benefit of all - rich and poor alike. >that time is now. Sure. As long as we also relieve the deadbeats of those homes they're trying to steal. >(of course they'll kick and scream like little children when you take their >sweets away) And the deadbeats will kick and scream like little babies when we go to take away their McMansions, as well. Oh well. Gotta give them up for the good of all. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #109 May 23, 2011 >Inconsistent with your previous statement "It would only be fitting if they >paid, say, 40% of the US taxes. " Taxes are progressive here in the US. The richest 1% do indeed pay ~40% of the taxes in the US. Neither contradicts the other, and both are supportable by data presented here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #110 May 23, 2011 Quote>except when the rich get too rich and start building money palaces >that crash the financial system. Or when home buyers get too stupid and buy houses they can't afford, thus crashing the financial system. so poor home buyers are 'stupid' - but the rich are 'clever'? (remember the only difference between the rich and the poor is that the rich have more money - everything else is the same)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #111 May 23, 2011 Quote>Inconsistent with your previous statement "It would only be fitting if they >paid, say, 40% of the US taxes. " Taxes are progressive here in the US. The richest 1% do indeed pay ~40% of the taxes in the US. Neither contradicts the other, and both are supportable by data presented here. they have 40% of the wealth (and they get the most benefit from government) - so not progressive taxation...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #112 May 23, 2011 QuoteQuote>Inconsistent with your previous statement "It would only be fitting if they >paid, say, 40% of the US taxes. " Taxes are progressive here in the US. The richest 1% do indeed pay ~40% of the taxes in the US. Neither contradicts the other, and both are supportable by data presented here. they have 40% of the wealth (and they get the most benefit from government) - so not progressive taxation... Well here lets see where you and Kallend really are on this issue. Since you really think more should be given how much do you add to your income tax each year? You do know you Can give as much as you want there is even a line for that. You don't have to accept a tax return you just need to file. So how much of your income are you giving away? Don't use the I'm not rich because to a poor person if you Can afford to jump out of an airplane your RICH. So what's the number on the check your sending in? If you're not willing to do that then your a hypocrite of the highest nature along with all the others wanting someone else to pay their way. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #113 May 23, 2011 I know better than to ask....and most likely he won't answer BUT "dreamdancer" just how MUCH as a % of income should the rich pay. We will define "rich" as someone that makes $500,000 a year. It's a simple question. 40% ($200,0000) 50% ($250,000) 60% ($300,000)Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #114 May 23, 2011 i think you're one dot short of a row...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #115 May 23, 2011 QuoteI know better than to ask....and most likely he won't answer BUT "dreamdancer" just how MUCH as a % of income should the rich pay. We will define "rich" as someone that makes $500,000 a year. It's a simple question. 40% ($200,0000) 50% ($250,000) 60% ($300,000) That's not rich. Rich is someone who makes $10M or more a year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #116 May 23, 2011 QuoteI know better than to ask....and most likely he won't answer BUT "dreamdancer" just how MUCH as a % of income should the rich pay. We will define "rich" as someone that makes $500,000 a year. It's a simple question. 40% ($200,0000) 50% ($250,000) 60% ($300,000) i think the rich should pay a decent estate tax - then they can earn as much as they want but they can't take it with them...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #117 May 23, 2011 >so poor home buyers are 'stupid' - but the rich are 'clever'? ?? Why do you think all rich are clever? Some are clever, some are stupid, just like poor home buyers. The stupid ones are easy to find - they're the ones who bought homes they couldn't afford. >they have 40% of the wealth . . . And they pay 40% of what the government takes from people. Almost seems . . . fair. > (and they get the most benefit from government) Right. You always see those super-rich people getting welfare checks, getting medicaid and medicare, using WIC benefits, getting subsidized homes, sending their kids to public schools and getting treated for free in emergency rooms. Damn those poor people with their private schools and gold plated healthcare plans! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #118 May 23, 2011 >Rich is someone who makes $10M or more a year. That definition, of course, is only valid if you make less than $10 million a year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #119 May 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteI know better than to ask....and most likely he won't answer BUT "dreamdancer" just how MUCH as a % of income should the rich pay. We will define "rich" as someone that makes $500,000 a year. It's a simple question. 40% ($200,0000) 50% ($250,000) 60% ($300,000) i think the rich should pay a decent estate tax - then they can earn as much as they want but they can't take it with them... Estate tax is probably the most criminal of all taxes. The only reason Americans haven't revolted over it is most people are not effected by it. What right does anyone have to someone else's money because they died? It should be repealed once and for all. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #120 May 23, 2011 QuoteRich is someone who makes $10M or more a year. I am of the view that people who own their own airplanes are rich. That does not make them evil. But airplane ownership is something most people in society can not afford. Of course someone who lives in poverty would consider someone else who owns their own home with no mortgage also rich. Rich is a subjective term. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #121 May 23, 2011 Quote Estate tax is probably the most criminal of all taxes. you forget that those who inherit the money haven't earned it stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #122 May 23, 2011 Quote>so poor home buyers are 'stupid' - but the rich are 'clever'? ?? Why do you think all rich are clever? Some are clever, some are stupid, just like poor home buyers. The stupid ones are easy to find - they're the ones who bought homes they couldn't afford. so the bankers prey on 'stupid' people - not a very clever business model you must admit (they still got their commissions though so they're alright)...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #123 May 23, 2011 Quote Quote Estate tax is probably the most criminal of all taxes. you forget that those who inherit the money haven't earned it another one of your absolute statements that is easily disproved. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #124 May 23, 2011 >so the bankers prey on 'stupid' people . . . Yep. So do the poor, when they can. (Remember, you said there's no difference between them, other than one has a lot of money.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #125 May 23, 2011 Quote > (and they get the most benefit from government) Right. You always see those super-rich people getting welfare checks, getting medicaid and medicare, using WIC benefits, getting subsidized homes, sending their kids to public schools and getting treated for free in emergency rooms. Damn those poor people with their private schools and gold plated healthcare plans! we're all part of the same society and it's pretty obvious that the rich have got the most benefit from our society...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites