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Preemptive Question: What is the one thing that has never changed... and will never change?

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tkhayes    348

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God.

Rev. 1:8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega" says the Lord God, "who is, and who was and who is to come, the Almighty."



which again makes 'god' one of the most arrogant fucks the world has ever seen. self centered egotistical asshole, who I will not bow down to, thank you very much; because I am a free man, and apparently that 'freedom of choice' was granted to me by that same 'god'.

He can kiss my ass.

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kallend    2,027

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That Zero can not be divided into smaller parts.



If something only 'exists' as a mathematical definition, can't it be redefined?

Until 1637 there were no imaginary numbers so there was no such thing as the square root of a negative number. Descartes 'redefined' the concept and the mathematical constant 'i' was born.
I'm sure there is some long haired math professor out there somewhere trying to redefine 0 to allow it to be divided into smaller parts.



Most mathematicians will argue that the square root of (-1) has always existed, we just didn't know about it. Quarternions existed before Hamilton discovered them. Irrational numbers existed before Euclid discovered them. Fermat's last theorem was true before Fermat wrote it in the margin of his book.
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DiverMike    5

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Most mathematicians will argue that the square root of (-1) has always existed, we just didn't know about it. Quarternions existed before Hamilton discovered them. Irrational numbers existed before Euclid discovered them. Fermat's last theorem was true before Fermat wrote it in the margin of his book.



How can something that hasn't been defined yet and only exists as a definition exist before it is defined?

I'm not sure I would agree that quarternions were discovered as much as defined. It wasn't like he was crossing the Broom bridge in Dublin and stubbed his toe on one.
For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

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kallend    2,027

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Most mathematicians will argue that the square root of (-1) has always existed, we just didn't know about it. Quarternions existed before Hamilton discovered them. Irrational numbers existed before Euclid discovered them. Fermat's last theorem was true before Fermat wrote it in the margin of his book.



How can something that hasn't been defined yet and only exists as a definition exist before it is defined?

I'm not sure I would agree that quarternions were discovered as much as defined. It wasn't like he was crossing the Broom bridge in Dublin and stubbed his toe on one.



You may disagree but I believe (along with most professional mathematicians) that the properties of numbers (in the most general sense, to include irrational, complex, negative, zero...) have an existence independent of when they were first discovered. Do you think zero didn't exist until it was discovered by Aryabhatta?
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DiverMike    5

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I am not a professional mathematician, and I'm pretty sure you outrank me on the brainiac scale as a professor of physics, but in the truest sense of the word I don't believe the number zero exists. Do you believe that numbers exist outside of a mathematical definition? They can certainly represent objects, but I don't know that I consider them to exist any more than happiness, the color blue, or hot exist.

Which brings me back to my original question: "How can something that hasn't been defined yet and only exists as a definition exist before it is defined?" 1 million years ago water may have refracted light in the spectrum we now define as 'blue' (approx 440-490 nanometer wavelength), but 'blue' does not exist either prior to or outside of a definition.
For the same reason I jump off a perfectly good diving board.

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jakee    1,489

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Oooookaaaay... A Hint.

There are as many words in the answer... as Locke's Treatises.



What, like "Locke's Treatises" is two words, or do you mean how many treatises, or how many words in the treatises?

You're not going to go all Bill Cole on us are you, with his counting words in the bible as if it proved something? I hope not, I didn't think you were that crazy!
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee    1,489

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Hint #2

First word... 5 Letters

Second word... 6 Letters



So are we setting this up like hangman now? Alright then:

_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _


I'll start with 'e'. There's always an 'e'.
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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idrankwhat    0

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Most definitely. Its very simple.


This is not a random BS post, because I am bored...

It is 100% inline with everything I have been talking about.



Alright, I read the first page of posts and got nothing out of it. I'm leaving the thread, because I'm bored.

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dmcoco84    5

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Answer........... Human Nature

A vigorously debated subject!

The Founders recognized human nature for what it is -- a mixture of good and evil. They reasoned that if people are to govern themselves and have the best possible government, then a political process should be developed through which the wisest, the most experienced, and the most virtuous can be precipitated to the surface and elected to public office.

Because of the limitations of human nature... came Limited Government.




Public Service:
There are two passions which have a powerful influence in the affairs of men. These are ambition and avarice; the love of power and the love of money. Separately, each of these has great force in prompting men to action; but when united in view of the same object, they have in many minds the most violent effects. Place before the eyes of such men a post of honor, that shall at the same time be a place of profit, and they will move heaven and earth to obtain it. The vast number of such places it is that renders the British government so tempestuous. The struggles for them are the true source of all those factions which are perpetually dividing the nation, distracting its councils, hurrying it sometimes into fruitless and mischievous wars, and often compelling a submission to dishonorable terms of peace. Benjamin Franklin - Constitutional Convention, 1787


Power corrupts... It’s Human Nature.


Limited Government ... The Solution.

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