dreamdancer 0 #251 May 25, 2011 Quote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War#Initial_line-up_of_forces We were talking about the first Arab Israeli conflict, which was in 1948. No nukes here! Reading is fundamental you're right she did say the first conflict - point to you stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #252 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteAlthough no official statistics exist, it has been estimated that Israel possesses 75-400 nuclear weapons, including thermonuclear weapons in the megaton range. Delivery mechanisms include Jericho intercontinental ballistic missiles, with a range of 11,500 km. Additionally, Israel is believed to have an offshore nuclear second-strike capability, using submarine launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles. The Israeli government maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity on whether it has nuclear weapons, saying only that it would not be the first to "introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East."Former International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regarded Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons. Much of what is known about Israel's nuclear program comes from revelations in 1986 by Mordechai Vanunu, a technician at the Negev Nuclear Research Center in Dimona, who served an 18-year jail sentence as a result. Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Here is a simple test you can do to determine whether you are allowed to have nuclear weapons or not. If you answer 'yes' at least once, it's fine for your country to have nukes. If you answer 'no' to both questions, then you will actually be invaded if you get nukes: 1. Is your country ethnically European? 2. Are you a US ally? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #253 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when around 120 fighters from the Irgun and Lehi Zionist paramilitary groups attacked Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, a Palestinian-Arab village of roughly 600 people. The assault occurred as Jewish militia sought to relieve the blockade of Jerusalem during the civil war that preceded the end of British rule in Palestine. Around 107 villagers were killed during and after the battle for the village, including women and children—some were shot, while others died when hand grenades were thrown into their homes. Several villagers were taken prisoner and may have been killed after being paraded through the streets of West Jerusalem, though accounts vary. Four of the attackers died, with around 35 injured. The killings were condemned by the leadership of the Haganah—the Jewish community's main paramilitary force—and by the area's two chief rabbis. The Jewish Agency for Israel sent Jordan's King Abdullah a letter of apology, which he rebuffed. The deaths became a pivotal event in the Arab-Israeli conflict for their demographic and military consequences. The narrative was embellished and used by various parties to attack each other—by the Palestinians to besmirch Palestine's Jewish community and subsequently Israel; by the Haganah to play down their own role in the affair; and later by the Israeli Left to accuse the Irgun and Lehi of violating the Jewish principle of purity of arms, thus blackening Israel's name around the world. News of the killings sparked terror within the Palestinian community, encouraging them to flee from their towns and villages in the face of Jewish troop advances, and it strengthened the resolve of Arab governments to intervene, which they did five weeks later by invading Palestine after Israel's declaration of independence on May 14. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacrestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wsd 0 #254 May 25, 2011 You post that like you are an authority on the subject, however the rest of already knew about this. RIF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #255 May 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Although no official statistics exist, it has been estimated that Israel possesses 75-400 nuclear weapons, including thermonuclear weapons in the megaton range. Delivery mechanisms include Jericho intercontinental ballistic missiles, with a range of 11,500 km. Additionally, Israel is believed to have an offshore nuclear second-strike capability, using submarine launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles. The Israeli government maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity on whether it has nuclear weapons, saying only that it would not be the first to "introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East."Former International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regarded Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons. Much of what is known about Israel's nuclear program comes from revelations in 1986 by Mordechai Vanunu, a technician at the Negev Nuclear Research Center in Dimona, who served an 18-year jail sentence as a result. Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Here is a simple test you can do to determine whether you are allowed to have nuclear weapons or not. If you answer 'yes' at least once, it's fine for your country to have nukes. If you answer 'no' to both questions, then you will actually be invaded if you get nukes: 1. Is your country ethnically European? 2. Are you a US ally? north korea, pakistan, south africa... and next iran stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wsd 0 #256 May 25, 2011 Does the prospect of Iran having nukes make you happier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #257 May 25, 2011 QuoteIsrael is believed to have developed an offensive biological warfare capability. Israel is not a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC). It is assumed that the Israel Institute for Biological Research in Ness Ziona develops vaccines and antidotes for chemical and biological warfare. While Israel is not known to be producing biological weapons currently, there remains speculation that Israel's ability to start production and dissemination, if necessary, remains active. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destructionstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #258 May 25, 2011 Quote Does the prospect of Iran having nukes make you happier? yes. the us can't stop them and they will counter balance the israeli arsenal (in a middle east version of MAD) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #259 May 25, 2011 Iran is already fighting us in Iraq and Afgan... So... Again: And you feel that if the P's were given a state according the the 1967 borders... that threat would be dissolved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #260 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnd they were FAR OUT GUNNED. i don't think so - they had lots of weapons from their allies and a nuclear strike capability to top it off. next... Oh I see you have issues with english too... did you ever have to learn about tenses? http://esl.about.com/library/weekly/aa011201a.htm The Israeli's learned the hard way about what it was to be outguned in 1948... Your buddies... not so much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #261 May 25, 2011 QuoteIran is already fighting us in Iraq and Afgan... So... Again: And you feel that if the P's were given a state according the the 1967 borders... that threat would be dissolved? iran has won both in iraq and in afghanistan thanks to us incompetence... if there is a peace treaty between israel and palestine then the palestinians will have no further need of iran.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #262 May 25, 2011 Quote Iran is already fighting us in Iraq and Afgan... So... Again: And you feel that if the P's were given a state according the the 1967 borders... that threat would be dissolved? What most people do not realize is that the Iranians have been at war with the US since 1979... and the strike on the Marine barracks was enough to justify any and all measures we might wish to use to kick their asses often and as hard as neccessary with whatever means we wish,. if that means utilizing one of our nukes to remove any nuke they might be creating that WOULD be used on the US, I am good with that. They have attacked us over an over again... and they and their surrogates have attacked Israel over and over again. They decided to be our enemy long ago.. If they will not live in peace... let them die in a great fire from "The Great Satan" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #263 May 25, 2011 Quote If they will not live in peace... let them die in a great fire from "The Great Satan" along with the rest of the world... hopefully i'll get to visit iran some time as thai sky adventures has several iranian skydivers: http://www.isepco.com/english/ i would say that thai sky adventures is the world's most multicultural dz. we even have israelis and arabs jumping together... http://www.thaiskyadventures.com/index.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #264 May 25, 2011 Agreed! The Great Mahdi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qkqan7bMQ0 And the USA is the Great Satan... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dmcoco84 5 #265 May 25, 2011 The Iranian people are not the problem. The Leadership is the problem.... ...and they stone homosexuals and beat woman who walk down the street without a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #266 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe Israeli's learned the hard way about what it was to be outguned in 1948... QuoteAs far as the military balance is concerned, it was always assumed that the Arabs enjoyed overwhelming numerical superiority. The war was accordingly depicted as one between the few against the many, as a desperate, tenacious, and heroic struggle for survival against horrifyingly heavy odds. The desperate plight and the heroism of the Jewish fighters are not in question. Nor is the fact that they had inferior military hardware at their disposal, at least until the first truce, when illicit arms supplies from Czechoslovakia decisively tipped the scales in their favour. But in mid-May 1948 the total number of Arab troops, both regular and irregular, operating in the Palestine theatre was under 25,000, whereas the Israel Defence Force (IDF) fielded over 35,000 troops. By mid-July the IDF mobilized 65,000 men under arms, and be December its numbers had reached a peak of 96,441. The Arab states also reinforced their armies, but they could not match this rate of increase. Thus, at each stage of the war, the IDF outnumbered all the Arab forces arrayed against it, and, after the first round of fighting, it outgunned them too. The final outcome of the war was therefore not a miracle but a faithful reflection of the underlying military balance in the Palestine theatre. In this war, as in most wars, the stronger side prevailed. http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ssfc0005/Israel%20and%20the%20Arab%20Coalition%20in%2019481.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #267 May 25, 2011 QuoteSAVAK increasingly symbolized the Shah's rule from 1963-79, a period of corruption in the royal family, one-party rule, the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners, suppression of dissent, and alienation of the religious masses. The United States reinforced its position as the Shah's protector and supporter, sowing the seeds of the anti-Americanism that later manifested itself in the revolution against the monarchy. http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/index.html (i believe america also had a bloody revolution against a monarchy)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #268 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe Iranian people are not the problem. The Leadership is the problem.... ...and they stone homosexuals and beat woman who walk down the street without a man. and in the us... QuoteThe number of inmates on death rows across the nation is 3,260, a decrease from 3,261 reported on January 1, 2010. Jurisdictions (having 10 or more inmates) with the highest percent of minorities on death row - Connecticut (70%) - Louisiana (69.4%) - Texas (69%) - Pennsylvania (68.9%) Jurisdictions with the most inmates on death row: - California (702) - Florida (398) - Texas (333) - Pennsylvania (222) Source: NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, "Death Row USA" Spring 2010. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-usastay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Amazon 7 #269 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe Israeli's learned the hard way about what it was to be outguned in 1948... QuoteAs far as the military balance is concerned, it was always assumed that the Arabs enjoyed overwhelming numerical superiority. The war was accordingly depicted as one between the few against the many, as a desperate, tenacious, and heroic struggle for survival against horrifyingly heavy odds. The desperate plight and the heroism of the Jewish fighters are not in question. Nor is the fact that they had inferior military hardware at their disposal, at least until the first truce, when illicit arms supplies from Czechoslovakia decisively tipped the scales in their favour. But in mid-May 1948 the total number of Arab troops, both regular and irregular, operating in the Palestine theatre was under 25,000, whereas the Israel Defence Force (IDF) fielded over 35,000 troops. By mid-July the IDF mobilized 65,000 men under arms, and be December its numbers had reached a peak of 96,441. The Arab states also reinforced their armies, but they could not match this rate of increase. Thus, at each stage of the war, the IDF outnumbered all the Arab forces arrayed against it, and, after the first round of fighting, it outgunned them too. The final outcome of the war was therefore not a miracle but a faithful reflection of the underlying military balance in the Palestine theatre. In this war, as in most wars, the stronger side prevailed. http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ssfc0005/Israel%20and%20the%20Arab%20Coalition%20in%2019481.html QuoteEugene Rogan and Avi Shlaim BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Try again.. that is some funny funny shit...as authors????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #270 May 25, 2011 QuoteIsrael has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. In contrast to Iran and Syria, who are violating it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #271 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe New Historians are a loosely-defined group of Israeli historians who have challenged traditional versions of Israeli history, including its role in the Palestinian Exodus in 1948 and Arab willingness to discuss peace. The term was coined in 1988 by one of the leading New Historians, Benny Morris. According to Ethan Bronner of The New York Times, the New Historians sought to advance the peace process. Much of the primary source material used by the group comes from Israeli government papers declassified thirty years after the founding of Israel. Morris, Ilan Pappé, Avi Shlaim, Tom Segev, Hillel Cohen and (retrospectively) Simha Flapan are counted among the "new historians." Many of their conclusions have been incorporated into the political ideology of post-Zionists. The political views of the group vary, as do the periods of Israeli history in which they specialize. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historiansstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wsd 0 #272 May 25, 2011 Once again, you really don't know anything except how to post links do you? How about actually using your own words and ideas? Are you capable of coherent thought and the ability to convey a message without posting links to the site you use as a pseudo religion? I am serious, I think many of the other members of this forum would like to know as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #273 May 25, 2011 Quote Once again, you really don't know anything except how to post links do you? it's called research Quote “[A]n outstanding, gripping and exuberant narrative, full of flamboyant character sketches, witty asides and magisterial scholarship, that explains much of what we need to know about the world today.” —Simon Sebag Montefiore, Financial Times “[Rogan] provides a prism through which the lay Westerner can view five centuries of tumult, zealotry, and complication…. Deeply erudite and distinctly humane, Rogan consistently plays up (and never papers over) the bountiful East-West parallels.” —The Atlantic “[An]excellent book…. Eugene Rogan has written an authoritative and wide-ranging history.” —The Times Literary Supplement “Readable and reliable, this sweeping survey balances the unity of a coherent story with due attention to detail. As such, Rogan’s contribution belongs in the company of the earlier classics by Hitti and Hourani.”—Foreign Affairs “[A]fascinating [story], and exceedingly well told. Mr. Rogan manoeuvres with skilful assurance, maintaining a steady pace through time, and keeping the wider horizon in view even as he makes use of a broad range of judiciously chosen primary sources to enrich the narrative. The more closely focused views of Arab contemporaries add not just texture and sometimes fun, but also give a deeper sense of changing Arab sensibilities…. What makes his book particularly useful is the way it situates [the Arab-Israeli conflict] within the wider context of the Arabs’ long, and still unsuccessful, struggle to come to more equal terms with the West. Europeans in particular, and also Americans, need their memories jogged about just how arrogant, duplicitous and frequently stupid their governments have been in dealing with the Middle East.” —The Economist “A major theme of this book is that Arabs have for too long been subordinate to the rule of others, from the Ottomans to the Europeans, then the US and USSR, and, most recently, America alone. But all that is changing now, and there can be few books better than this one to put in context the ongoing protests throughout the Middle East.” —The Guardian (London) “A strikingly vivid and authoritative account…. [Rogan’s] rehearsal of recent Middle East history is impeccable.” —The Times (London) “Very much a modern history…. Rogan gives a lucid account of political developments throughout the Arab lands, unpicking messy tangles such as the Lebanese civil war or the fragmentation of Palestinian political movements.” —The Sunday Telegraph (London) “This history focuses on the last 100 years of Arab politics, offering the perfect primer for anyone following the news right now.” —Telegraph (UK) “Rogan uses first-hand Arab sources to relate these events and their calamitous consequences: the division of the region into a score of states, one of them being Israel, none of them being Palestinian. The emergence of Israel and its immediate conflict with the Arabs has rarely been as succinctly, as level-headedly or as powerfully told… Rogan's brilliant book is clear eyed and balanced, and pulls no punches as it explains how the Arabs came to be where they are today, both socially and politically. It is a story from which neither they, nor we in the West, emerge with any credit. Mixing academic rigour with a lively narrative style, The Arabs: A History is required reading for anyone seeking to understand the background to the mess that the Arabs find themselves in...” —The Spectator (London) http://arabsahistory.com/?p=2stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites dreamdancer 0 #274 May 26, 2011 Quote I am serious. no, you're a troll stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kelpdiver 2 #275 May 26, 2011 Quote Quote Once again, you really don't know anything except how to post links do you? it's called research it's the first step of research. Then you engage your brain, foster a new idea out of it, and support it. 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dreamdancer 0 #253 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe Deir Yassin massacre took place on April 9, 1948, when around 120 fighters from the Irgun and Lehi Zionist paramilitary groups attacked Deir Yassin near Jerusalem, a Palestinian-Arab village of roughly 600 people. The assault occurred as Jewish militia sought to relieve the blockade of Jerusalem during the civil war that preceded the end of British rule in Palestine. Around 107 villagers were killed during and after the battle for the village, including women and children—some were shot, while others died when hand grenades were thrown into their homes. Several villagers were taken prisoner and may have been killed after being paraded through the streets of West Jerusalem, though accounts vary. Four of the attackers died, with around 35 injured. The killings were condemned by the leadership of the Haganah—the Jewish community's main paramilitary force—and by the area's two chief rabbis. The Jewish Agency for Israel sent Jordan's King Abdullah a letter of apology, which he rebuffed. The deaths became a pivotal event in the Arab-Israeli conflict for their demographic and military consequences. The narrative was embellished and used by various parties to attack each other—by the Palestinians to besmirch Palestine's Jewish community and subsequently Israel; by the Haganah to play down their own role in the affair; and later by the Israeli Left to accuse the Irgun and Lehi of violating the Jewish principle of purity of arms, thus blackening Israel's name around the world. News of the killings sparked terror within the Palestinian community, encouraging them to flee from their towns and villages in the face of Jewish troop advances, and it strengthened the resolve of Arab governments to intervene, which they did five weeks later by invading Palestine after Israel's declaration of independence on May 14. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacrestay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #254 May 25, 2011 You post that like you are an authority on the subject, however the rest of already knew about this. RIF Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #255 May 25, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Although no official statistics exist, it has been estimated that Israel possesses 75-400 nuclear weapons, including thermonuclear weapons in the megaton range. Delivery mechanisms include Jericho intercontinental ballistic missiles, with a range of 11,500 km. Additionally, Israel is believed to have an offshore nuclear second-strike capability, using submarine launched nuclear-capable cruise missiles. The Israeli government maintains a policy of deliberate ambiguity on whether it has nuclear weapons, saying only that it would not be the first to "introduce nuclear weapons in the Middle East."Former International Atomic Energy Agency Director General Mohamed ElBaradei regarded Israel as a state possessing nuclear weapons. Much of what is known about Israel's nuclear program comes from revelations in 1986 by Mordechai Vanunu, a technician at the Negev Nuclear Research Center in Dimona, who served an 18-year jail sentence as a result. Israel has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Here is a simple test you can do to determine whether you are allowed to have nuclear weapons or not. If you answer 'yes' at least once, it's fine for your country to have nukes. If you answer 'no' to both questions, then you will actually be invaded if you get nukes: 1. Is your country ethnically European? 2. Are you a US ally? north korea, pakistan, south africa... and next iran stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #256 May 25, 2011 Does the prospect of Iran having nukes make you happier? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #257 May 25, 2011 QuoteIsrael is believed to have developed an offensive biological warfare capability. Israel is not a signatory to the Biological Weapons Convention (BWC). It is assumed that the Israel Institute for Biological Research in Ness Ziona develops vaccines and antidotes for chemical and biological warfare. While Israel is not known to be producing biological weapons currently, there remains speculation that Israel's ability to start production and dissemination, if necessary, remains active. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destructionstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #258 May 25, 2011 Quote Does the prospect of Iran having nukes make you happier? yes. the us can't stop them and they will counter balance the israeli arsenal (in a middle east version of MAD) stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #259 May 25, 2011 Iran is already fighting us in Iraq and Afgan... So... Again: And you feel that if the P's were given a state according the the 1967 borders... that threat would be dissolved? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #260 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteAnd they were FAR OUT GUNNED. i don't think so - they had lots of weapons from their allies and a nuclear strike capability to top it off. next... Oh I see you have issues with english too... did you ever have to learn about tenses? http://esl.about.com/library/weekly/aa011201a.htm The Israeli's learned the hard way about what it was to be outguned in 1948... Your buddies... not so much Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #261 May 25, 2011 QuoteIran is already fighting us in Iraq and Afgan... So... Again: And you feel that if the P's were given a state according the the 1967 borders... that threat would be dissolved? iran has won both in iraq and in afghanistan thanks to us incompetence... if there is a peace treaty between israel and palestine then the palestinians will have no further need of iran.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #262 May 25, 2011 Quote Iran is already fighting us in Iraq and Afgan... So... Again: And you feel that if the P's were given a state according the the 1967 borders... that threat would be dissolved? What most people do not realize is that the Iranians have been at war with the US since 1979... and the strike on the Marine barracks was enough to justify any and all measures we might wish to use to kick their asses often and as hard as neccessary with whatever means we wish,. if that means utilizing one of our nukes to remove any nuke they might be creating that WOULD be used on the US, I am good with that. They have attacked us over an over again... and they and their surrogates have attacked Israel over and over again. They decided to be our enemy long ago.. If they will not live in peace... let them die in a great fire from "The Great Satan" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #263 May 25, 2011 Quote If they will not live in peace... let them die in a great fire from "The Great Satan" along with the rest of the world... hopefully i'll get to visit iran some time as thai sky adventures has several iranian skydivers: http://www.isepco.com/english/ i would say that thai sky adventures is the world's most multicultural dz. we even have israelis and arabs jumping together... http://www.thaiskyadventures.com/index.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #264 May 25, 2011 Agreed! The Great Mahdi http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Qkqan7bMQ0 And the USA is the Great Satan... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #265 May 25, 2011 The Iranian people are not the problem. The Leadership is the problem.... ...and they stone homosexuals and beat woman who walk down the street without a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #266 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe Israeli's learned the hard way about what it was to be outguned in 1948... QuoteAs far as the military balance is concerned, it was always assumed that the Arabs enjoyed overwhelming numerical superiority. The war was accordingly depicted as one between the few against the many, as a desperate, tenacious, and heroic struggle for survival against horrifyingly heavy odds. The desperate plight and the heroism of the Jewish fighters are not in question. Nor is the fact that they had inferior military hardware at their disposal, at least until the first truce, when illicit arms supplies from Czechoslovakia decisively tipped the scales in their favour. But in mid-May 1948 the total number of Arab troops, both regular and irregular, operating in the Palestine theatre was under 25,000, whereas the Israel Defence Force (IDF) fielded over 35,000 troops. By mid-July the IDF mobilized 65,000 men under arms, and be December its numbers had reached a peak of 96,441. The Arab states also reinforced their armies, but they could not match this rate of increase. Thus, at each stage of the war, the IDF outnumbered all the Arab forces arrayed against it, and, after the first round of fighting, it outgunned them too. The final outcome of the war was therefore not a miracle but a faithful reflection of the underlying military balance in the Palestine theatre. In this war, as in most wars, the stronger side prevailed. http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ssfc0005/Israel%20and%20the%20Arab%20Coalition%20in%2019481.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #267 May 25, 2011 QuoteSAVAK increasingly symbolized the Shah's rule from 1963-79, a period of corruption in the royal family, one-party rule, the torture and execution of thousands of political prisoners, suppression of dissent, and alienation of the religious masses. The United States reinforced its position as the Shah's protector and supporter, sowing the seeds of the anti-Americanism that later manifested itself in the revolution against the monarchy. http://www.fas.org/irp/world/iran/savak/index.html (i believe america also had a bloody revolution against a monarchy)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #268 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe Iranian people are not the problem. The Leadership is the problem.... ...and they stone homosexuals and beat woman who walk down the street without a man. and in the us... QuoteThe number of inmates on death rows across the nation is 3,260, a decrease from 3,261 reported on January 1, 2010. Jurisdictions (having 10 or more inmates) with the highest percent of minorities on death row - Connecticut (70%) - Louisiana (69.4%) - Texas (69%) - Pennsylvania (68.9%) Jurisdictions with the most inmates on death row: - California (702) - Florida (398) - Texas (333) - Pennsylvania (222) Source: NAACP Legal Defense & Educational Fund, "Death Row USA" Spring 2010. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/death-row-usastay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #269 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe Israeli's learned the hard way about what it was to be outguned in 1948... QuoteAs far as the military balance is concerned, it was always assumed that the Arabs enjoyed overwhelming numerical superiority. The war was accordingly depicted as one between the few against the many, as a desperate, tenacious, and heroic struggle for survival against horrifyingly heavy odds. The desperate plight and the heroism of the Jewish fighters are not in question. Nor is the fact that they had inferior military hardware at their disposal, at least until the first truce, when illicit arms supplies from Czechoslovakia decisively tipped the scales in their favour. But in mid-May 1948 the total number of Arab troops, both regular and irregular, operating in the Palestine theatre was under 25,000, whereas the Israel Defence Force (IDF) fielded over 35,000 troops. By mid-July the IDF mobilized 65,000 men under arms, and be December its numbers had reached a peak of 96,441. The Arab states also reinforced their armies, but they could not match this rate of increase. Thus, at each stage of the war, the IDF outnumbered all the Arab forces arrayed against it, and, after the first round of fighting, it outgunned them too. The final outcome of the war was therefore not a miracle but a faithful reflection of the underlying military balance in the Palestine theatre. In this war, as in most wars, the stronger side prevailed. http://users.ox.ac.uk/~ssfc0005/Israel%20and%20the%20Arab%20Coalition%20in%2019481.html QuoteEugene Rogan and Avi Shlaim BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Try again.. that is some funny funny shit...as authors????? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #270 May 25, 2011 QuoteIsrael has not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. In contrast to Iran and Syria, who are violating it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #271 May 25, 2011 QuoteThe New Historians are a loosely-defined group of Israeli historians who have challenged traditional versions of Israeli history, including its role in the Palestinian Exodus in 1948 and Arab willingness to discuss peace. The term was coined in 1988 by one of the leading New Historians, Benny Morris. According to Ethan Bronner of The New York Times, the New Historians sought to advance the peace process. Much of the primary source material used by the group comes from Israeli government papers declassified thirty years after the founding of Israel. Morris, Ilan Pappé, Avi Shlaim, Tom Segev, Hillel Cohen and (retrospectively) Simha Flapan are counted among the "new historians." Many of their conclusions have been incorporated into the political ideology of post-Zionists. The political views of the group vary, as do the periods of Israeli history in which they specialize. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Historiansstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #272 May 25, 2011 Once again, you really don't know anything except how to post links do you? How about actually using your own words and ideas? Are you capable of coherent thought and the ability to convey a message without posting links to the site you use as a pseudo religion? I am serious, I think many of the other members of this forum would like to know as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #273 May 25, 2011 Quote Once again, you really don't know anything except how to post links do you? it's called research Quote “[A]n outstanding, gripping and exuberant narrative, full of flamboyant character sketches, witty asides and magisterial scholarship, that explains much of what we need to know about the world today.” —Simon Sebag Montefiore, Financial Times “[Rogan] provides a prism through which the lay Westerner can view five centuries of tumult, zealotry, and complication…. Deeply erudite and distinctly humane, Rogan consistently plays up (and never papers over) the bountiful East-West parallels.” —The Atlantic “[An]excellent book…. Eugene Rogan has written an authoritative and wide-ranging history.” —The Times Literary Supplement “Readable and reliable, this sweeping survey balances the unity of a coherent story with due attention to detail. As such, Rogan’s contribution belongs in the company of the earlier classics by Hitti and Hourani.”—Foreign Affairs “[A]fascinating [story], and exceedingly well told. Mr. Rogan manoeuvres with skilful assurance, maintaining a steady pace through time, and keeping the wider horizon in view even as he makes use of a broad range of judiciously chosen primary sources to enrich the narrative. The more closely focused views of Arab contemporaries add not just texture and sometimes fun, but also give a deeper sense of changing Arab sensibilities…. What makes his book particularly useful is the way it situates [the Arab-Israeli conflict] within the wider context of the Arabs’ long, and still unsuccessful, struggle to come to more equal terms with the West. Europeans in particular, and also Americans, need their memories jogged about just how arrogant, duplicitous and frequently stupid their governments have been in dealing with the Middle East.” —The Economist “A major theme of this book is that Arabs have for too long been subordinate to the rule of others, from the Ottomans to the Europeans, then the US and USSR, and, most recently, America alone. But all that is changing now, and there can be few books better than this one to put in context the ongoing protests throughout the Middle East.” —The Guardian (London) “A strikingly vivid and authoritative account…. [Rogan’s] rehearsal of recent Middle East history is impeccable.” —The Times (London) “Very much a modern history…. Rogan gives a lucid account of political developments throughout the Arab lands, unpicking messy tangles such as the Lebanese civil war or the fragmentation of Palestinian political movements.” —The Sunday Telegraph (London) “This history focuses on the last 100 years of Arab politics, offering the perfect primer for anyone following the news right now.” —Telegraph (UK) “Rogan uses first-hand Arab sources to relate these events and their calamitous consequences: the division of the region into a score of states, one of them being Israel, none of them being Palestinian. The emergence of Israel and its immediate conflict with the Arabs has rarely been as succinctly, as level-headedly or as powerfully told… Rogan's brilliant book is clear eyed and balanced, and pulls no punches as it explains how the Arabs came to be where they are today, both socially and politically. It is a story from which neither they, nor we in the West, emerge with any credit. Mixing academic rigour with a lively narrative style, The Arabs: A History is required reading for anyone seeking to understand the background to the mess that the Arabs find themselves in...” —The Spectator (London) http://arabsahistory.com/?p=2stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #274 May 26, 2011 Quote I am serious. no, you're a troll stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #275 May 26, 2011 Quote Quote Once again, you really don't know anything except how to post links do you? it's called research it's the first step of research. Then you engage your brain, foster a new idea out of it, and support it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
