dreamdancer 0 #1 May 19, 2011 sounding good... Quote"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognised borders are established for both states," Mr Obama said in a major speech on the Middle East. "The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarised state." "The duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated." Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas called an "urgent" meeting of Palestinian leaders immediately after the speech, a senior official said. Mr Obama also said that the United States must change its policy or face a deepening rift with the Arab world. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8524532/Barack-Obama-Middle-East-speech-Palestinian-state-should-be-based-on-1967-borders.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #2 May 19, 2011 about what we can expect from our fearless leader. Rewards aggression - the aggressors lost in 1967, and they lost land as a result. and has a huge out - there will never be a "sovereign, non-militarised state" so this thing falls apart quickly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #3 May 19, 2011 Even if the Israelis agreed to that it wouldn't satisfy the Palestinians, especially the militant Hamas. Their goal is the destruction of Israel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #4 May 19, 2011 Quoteabout what we can expect from our fearless leader. Rewards aggression - the aggressors lost in 1967, and they lost land as a result. and has a huge out - there will never be a "sovereign, non-militarised state" so this thing falls apart quickly. Add to this that Obama must know that the Palestinians will never accept anything without the return rights. And Israel will never agree to that because they would be over run Obama knows exactly what he is doing Just another sound bite made"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #5 May 19, 2011 I don't have the words for this idiocy.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 May 19, 2011 Quotesounding good... Quote"The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognised borders are established for both states," Mr Obama said in a major speech on the Middle East. "The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarised state." "The duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated." Palestinian president Mahmud Abbas called an "urgent" meeting of Palestinian leaders immediately after the speech, a senior official said. Mr Obama also said that the United States must change its policy or face a deepening rift with the Arab world. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/8524532/Barack-Obama-Middle-East-speech-Palestinian-state-should-be-based-on-1967-borders.html hook line and sinker"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #7 May 19, 2011 QuoteEven if the Israelis agreed to that. i agree that it is very unlikely the israelis will give peace a chance...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #8 May 19, 2011 Quotesounding good... "The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarised state." We've seen how well Palestinian security worked in Gaza after the Israelis withdrew there."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #9 May 19, 2011 QuoteQuotesounding good... "The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarised state." We've seen how well Palestinian security worked in Gaza after the Israelis withdrew there. and we've seen how the israelis slaughtered hundreds of women and children in revenge...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #10 May 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteEven if the Israelis agreed to that. i agree that it is very unlikely the israelis will give peace a chance... That wasn't what I said. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. That being said neither side is giving peace a chance. But especially the Palestinians. Their goal is the destruction of Israel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #11 May 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteEven if the Israelis agreed to that. i agree that it is very unlikely the israelis will give peace a chance... That wasn't what I said. You seem to have a problem with reading comprehension. That being said neither side is giving peace a chance. But especially the Palestinians. Their goal is the destruction of Israel. and the israelis goal is the destruction of palestine.stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #12 May 19, 2011 No, they have never declared that. While there are most likely Israelis that want the destruction of Palestine it isn't a national goal unlike Hamas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #13 May 19, 2011 QuoteNo, they have never declared that. they've never declared their nuclear weapons either...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #14 May 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteNo, they have never declared that. they've never declared their nuclear weapons either... no, though there's little reason to. What we know without a doubt is that Hamas has declared it's intent to destroy Israel, as have most other neighboring nations, either currently, or for several decades. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #15 May 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo, they have never declared that. they've never declared their nuclear weapons either... no, though there's little reason to. What we know without a doubt is that Hamas has declared it's intent to destroy Israel, as have most other neighboring nations, either currently, or for several decades. and we know that israel has the intention of destroying palestine even if they haven't declared so (why should they as you say).stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 May 19, 2011 Quote and we know that israel has the intention of destroying palestine even if they haven't declared so (why should they as you say). Nope, you have an ASSumption of this. But you have no actual proof. That's the difference between the two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Glitch 0 #17 May 19, 2011 Whose this 'we' you speak of? I've not seen or heard (aside from an individuals personal opinion on this board) anything to indicate that that Israel wants to destroy Palestine. What I have heard is that they want the bullshit mortar/rocket/terroristic attacks to STOP. But whatever... I don't have a dog in this fight. If it were up to me, I'd select 3 good sized nukes and rid the world of a few problem sites.... (think Jerusalem, Mecca, and the Vatican) and take the a reason for the fighting out of the equation. At anyrate, from the sheer number of threads you've created about the Israeli / Palestine debacle, it would appear that you do have a dog in it.... why don't you do something about it? Ever think about going over there and doing your part to protect the "innocent" Palestinians from the "evil and wicked" Israeli war mongers?Randomly f'n thingies up since before I was born... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #18 May 19, 2011 QuoteQuote and we know that israel has the intention of destroying palestine even if they haven't declared so (why should they as you say). Nope, you have an ASSumption of this. But you have no actual proof. That's the difference between the two. the proof is that there is no state of palestine but there is a state of israel. so whose state has been destroyed and by whom?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #19 May 19, 2011 QuoteRewards aggression - the aggressors lost in 1967, and they lost land as a result. Are you sure you are not confusing the 1973 Yom Kippur War with the Six Day War of 1967? It is my impression that Israel started the 1967 War with their preemptive air strikes on Egypt, Jordan and Syria to take out the Arab air forces followed by Israeli land attacks which gave Israel their new territory. Egypt and Syria started the 1973 Yom Kippur War. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CanuckInUSA 0 #20 May 19, 2011 Quotethe proof is that there is no state of palestine but there is a state of israel. so whose state has been destroyed and by whom? Go whine to the United Nations. It was the UN who created Israel. Try not to worry about the things you have no control over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #21 May 19, 2011 QuoteAre you sure you are not confusing the 1973 Yom Kippur War with the Six Day War of 1967? It is my impression that Israel started the 1967 War with their preemptive air strikes on Egypt, Jordan and Syria to take out the Arab air forces followed by Israeli land attacks which gave Israel their new territory. Egypt and Syria started the 1973 Yom Kippur War. The key word there is preemptive Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egypt after the Egyptians moved forces into the Sinai, kicked out the UN observers and blockaded Israel's access to the red sea, all of which are acts of war. Syria had a military pack with Egypt and joined the war and Jordan joined based on the Egyptian lies that Israel was about to be destroyed (Israel urged king Hussain to stay out of it) "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #22 May 19, 2011 so israel started the war?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #23 May 19, 2011 Quoteso israel started the war? You're English, so you know how to read. He wrote: "Israel launched a preemptive strike against Egypt after the Egyptians moved forces into the Sinai, kicked out the UN observers and blockaded Israel's access to the red sea, all of which are acts of war. " He very clearly states that Egypt started the war. Weren't you ranting for months about how Israel's blockade of Gaza was a war crime? But apparently not if Egypt does it? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #24 May 19, 2011 Quote the proof is that there is no state of palestine but there is a state of israel. so whose state has been destroyed and by whom? there's no state of palestine because there has never been a state of palestine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #25 May 19, 2011 http://www.onevoicemovement.org/"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
