billvon 2,990 #351 June 1, 2011 >I have no idea why these two countries just didn't get together and form one state? Decades of hatred. You can see the echoes of it here. Each side is convinced the other side is the Great Satan or the Evil Terrorist Horde. And who wants to get together with evil terrorists? Someday both sides will be able to say "you know, we were wrong to kill you/bomb you/relocate you, you're really not all that bad." But it's going to be a long time before that happens. For proof of that, just watch the replies to this post - there will be some both ways that say "yeah, but the other side is the REALLY bad one!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #352 June 1, 2011 QuoteFor proof of that, just watch the replies to this post - there will be some both ways that say "yeah, but the other side is the REALLY bad one!" Reality is reality. If Israel were the "REALLY bad one," this conflict would have been over a long while ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #353 June 1, 2011 Quote>I have no idea why these two countries just didn't get together and form one state? Decades of hatred. You can see the echoes of it here. Each side is convinced the other side is the Great Satan or the Evil Terrorist Horde. And who wants to get together with evil terrorists? Someday both sides will be able to say "you know, we were wrong to kill you/bomb you/relocate you, you're really not all that bad." But it's going to be a long time before that happens. For proof of that, just watch the replies to this post - there will be some both ways that say "yeah, but the other side is the REALLY bad one!" The ONLY one showing a hatred for anyone is dreamdancers hatred of the Jews"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #354 June 1, 2011 QuoteI have no idea why these two countries just didn't get together and form one state? Hell they would be an economic power house. It is that stupid "Jewish State" thing? Exactly... They insist upon having an exclusively "Jewish" state. This is their fundamental problem. They think that having a Jewish state will eliminate the possibility of another holocaust. They forget that theocratic police states generally antagonize those who do not practice the majority religion...lol Freedom of religion and 'separation of church and state' don't exist in Israel. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #355 June 1, 2011 "If Israel were the "REALLY bad one," this conflict would have been over a long while ago." "The ONLY one showing a hatred for anyone is dreamdancers hatred of the Jews." Like I said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #356 June 1, 2011 Quote"If Israel were the "REALLY bad one," this conflict would have been over a long while ago." "The ONLY one showing a hatred for anyone is dreamdancers hatred of the Jews." Like I said. yes, as predictable as the Sun rising tomorrow. But GUESS WHAT - the sun will rise tomorrow. Predicting it doesn't make it false. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #357 June 1, 2011 Quote Exactly... They insist upon having an exclusively "Jewish" state. This is their fundamental problem. If I were thinking of merging with another group (and I'm still waiting to hear the name of that second "country" here), I'm probably not going to pick one that openly vows to kill me to the last person. That's fundamentally stupid. And that, Bill, is why your bleating about each side claims the other is worse rings hollow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #358 June 1, 2011 Quote"If Israel were the "REALLY bad one," this conflict would have been over a long while ago." "The ONLY one showing a hatred for anyone is dreamdancers hatred of the Jews." Like I said. i am the devil incarnate... (now back to reality and the prospect of a peace deal based on the 1967 borders where israel still exists - and so does palestine)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #359 June 1, 2011 Quotekill me to the last person. there's more than one of you?stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #360 June 1, 2011 >But GUESS WHAT - the sun will rise tomorrow. Predicting it doesn't make >it false. Indeed, when the Israelis predict the Arabs will attack them, and the Arabs predict the Israelis will attack them - it sort of _makes_ it true. The only way to end a self-fulfilling prophecy is to stop fulfilling it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #361 June 1, 2011 QuoteQuoteI have no idea why these two countries just didn't get together and form one state? Hell they would be an economic power house. It is that stupid "Jewish State" thing? which two "countries" are you referring to? Isreal and Palestine. I mean get over it guys! God shmod! Do it for the freaking money! What are you freaking stupid! Stop killing each other, stop being dumb, stop talking to things you nor any one can see. Start building and start making shit loads of cash!Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #362 June 1, 2011 QuoteQuote which two "countries" are you referring to? Isreal and Palestine. Palestine isn't a country, nor ever has been. as for the premise- a nation that is in a constant state of violent civil war generally does not do well economically. Again, there's no reason to integrate with those who openly wish to destroy you. That has to be removed from the equation before any notion of a merge would even be entertained. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HandsomeSalad 0 #363 June 3, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote which two "countries" are you referring to? Isreal and Palestine. Palestine isn't a country, nor ever has been. as for the premise- a nation that is in a constant state of violent civil war generally does not do well economically. Again, there's no reason to integrate with those who openly wish to destroy you. That has to be removed from the equation before any notion of a merge would even be entertained. Its not a civil war when you occupy other people's land - typical kelpdiver fail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #364 June 3, 2011 Quote Its not a civil war when you occupy other people's land - typical kelpdiver fail Salad-for-Brains, no, failure is the idiocy of not noticing the discussion is about the notion of why don't these two "countries" merge and become an economic powerhouse. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #365 June 4, 2011 QuoteThe former head of Israel's spy service has launched an unprecedented attack on the country's current government, describing it as "irresponsible and reckless", and has praised Arab attempts to reach an Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement. Meir Dagan stepped down as the head of Mossad six months ago but has gone on the offensive in a series of briefings with journalists and public appearances because he feels that Israel's security is being mismanaged by Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, and Ehud Barak, the defence minister. One newspaper quotes him as saying that he, as head of Mossad, Yuval Diskin, the head of Sin Bet – the internal security agency, and Gabi Ashkenazi, the head of the army, could prevent Netanyahu and Barak from making mistakes but all three have left their positions and have been replaced by men chosen by the current government. "I decided to speak because when I was in office, Diskin, Ashkenazi and I could block any dangerous adventure. Now I am afraid that there is no one to stop Bibi [Netanyahu] and Barak," said Dagan. Upon leaving his post, Dagan publicly warned against Israel attacking Iran to stop it from acquiring nuclear weapons. In his latest comments, he said that if Israel attacks Iran, it will find itself at the centre of a regional war that would endanger the state's existence. Dagan's intervention is dangerous for Netanyahu because it comes from the right wing of Israeli opinion rather than the left, where the prime minister would expect criticism. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jun/03/israel-government-reckless-mossad-chiefstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #366 June 5, 2011 QuoteIsrael Defense Forces soldiers opened fire at hundreds of Palestinians amassing near Israel's border with Syria on the Golan Heights on Sunday, firing tear gas and other demonstration dispersal weaponry in an attempt to break up the Naksa Day rallies. Reports by Syrian media claimed five protesters were killed, with nine others wounded. 500 Palestinians were reported to have arrived at the border, hiding from IDF fire in a ditch dug by the army after the Nakba Day protests on May 15, approximately 20 meters from the border fence. IDF spokesman did not confirm the reports of casualties, yet said that a dozen Palestinians were indeed wounded by "controlled fire from commanders on the ground." Soldiers first warned the protesters with loudspeakers and shots in the air, and finally with shots to the protesters' legs. Protesters also approached the Israeli border in Quneitra in the northern Golan Heights, hurling stones across the border. IDF soldiers responded with demonstration dispersal weaponry; shots at protesters' legs were reported in this sector as well. Senior IDF officials have doubted Syrian TV reports regarding casualties in clashes with Palestinian protesters, saying that the soldiers fired only accurate sniper shots guided by senor officers on the ground. They added that they did not estimate any of the protesters were killed as a result of the fire. http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/5-palestinians-killed-10-hurt-in-clashes-with-idf-on-syria-border-report-says-1.366068stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #367 June 5, 2011 latest is 13 shot dead...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
deltron80 0 #368 June 6, 2011 The only logical solution to this problem is to kill all non-Jews. SO SIMPLE DUH!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #369 June 6, 2011 Quote latest is 13 shot dead... This story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
falxori 0 #370 June 6, 2011 QuoteThis story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. This is a completely different thing. This is Syrian troops shooting Syrian citizens that oppose the government (been going on for weeks). Most likely the Syrian government is sending people to clash with Israel in an attempt to divert attention from its own internal clashes. "Carpe diem, quam minimum credula postero." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muff528 3 #371 June 6, 2011 Quote Quote This story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. This is a completely different thing. This is Syrian troops shooting Syrian citizens that oppose the government (been going on for weeks). Most likely the Syrian government is sending people to clash with Israel in an attempt to divert attention from its own internal clashes. Ooooopsy! ....my mistake! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #372 June 6, 2011 QuoteQuote3 pages of drivel from both sides of the problem. Bottom line is there will never be peace in the ME. I wish I woud live long enough to see the oil run out and with it their importance on the world stage. BINGO!! ...and "peace" is not the goal anyway. The only "path to peace" (as far as it relates to Israel and the Jews) in the ME was passed by when the Jews did not follow Gandhi's advice and acquiesce to the Holocaust. After Israel and the Jews are gone the various Islamic factions in the Middle East can get back to their usual internal squabbles, stonings and head removals. Bzzzt - Wrong - They will just ramp up their efforts to dispel with all ChristiansI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #373 June 6, 2011 Quote Most likely the Syrian government is sending people to clash with Israel in an attempt to divert attention from its own internal clashes. Certainly it's difficult to take their reporting on the event at face value. It's in the government's best interest to make it as big a deal as possible. CNN's reporting: The protests came on the anniversary of the 1967 Middle East War, when Israel captured the Golan Heights from Syria. The Israel Defense Forces did not immediately confirm any casualties, though a spokeswoman said that Israeli troops used tear gas and live ammunition on members of an "angered mob." "We warned them verbally (and) with warning shots into the air," Lt. Col. Avital Leibovich told CNN. "And when these two options failed, we had to open fire selectively into the area, and this actually stopped those Syrians from reaching the Israeli-Syrian fence." and notably: Leibovich accused Syria of trying to use the protests to create a diversion "from the bloodshed that is taking place inside Syria," where the United Nations says a crackdown against anti-government protests has left more than 1,000 dead. "There is no question about it," she said. "The policemen, the armed Syrian forces are looking back and not doing anything." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #374 June 6, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. This is a completely different thing. This is Syrian troops shooting Syrian citizens that oppose the government (been going on for weeks). so you think it's ok for the isrealis to shoot their protesters - 'because the syrians are doing it too...'stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #375 June 6, 2011 Quote Quote latest is 13 shot dead... This story has the number at around 100 best I can tell ...but probably a lot more. so you think syria shooting its protesters is bad - but israel shooting its protesters is good. mmmmm....stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
