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So if a person strictly follows the guidelines of pretty much any of the other 38,000 christian denominations, (not to mention the 5 billion people of other religions), then they're going to hell. Got it.

One doesn't go to hell because they fail to follow the particular tenets of some denomination/religion or even if they've never heard of Jesus. If they go to hell, it's because they've not kept God as their top priority, worshipped other gods or lack thereof, taken God's name in vain, lied, stolen, lusted, coveted, dishonored parents, etc.

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So if a person strictly follows the guidelines of pretty much any of the other 38,000 christian denominations, (not to mention the 5 billion people of other religions), then they're going to hell. Got it.

One doesn't go to hell because they fail to follow the particular tenets of some denomination/religion or even if they've never heard of Jesus. If they go to hell, it's because they've not kept God as their top priority, worshipped other gods or lack thereof, taken God's name in vain, lied, stolen, lusted, coveted, dishonored parents, etc.

Looks like I'm going to hell.

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Sorry, I had to correct a figure I posted earlier... There are only 33,800 different denominations of christianity.
Jaybird, I'm glad you picked the right one. Those other people are idiots!

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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Sorry, I had to correct a figure I posted earlier... There are only 33,800 different denominations of christianity.
Jaybird, I'm glad you picked the right one. Those other people are idiots!

At least those odds are better than winning the lottery

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Sorry, I had to correct a figure I posted earlier... There are only 33,800 different denominations of christianity.
Jaybird, I'm glad you picked the right one. Those other people are idiots!

Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anywhere where he said his denomination is the only right one.

I'm pretty sure the cover of the book is meaningless to God. I'm sure he's more concerned with the condition of your heart.

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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anywhere where he said his denomination is the only right one.

I'm pretty sure the cover of the book is meaningless to God. I'm sure he's more concerned with the condition of your heart.

You just hit the nail on the head.

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Maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anywhere where he said his denomination is the only right one.

I'm pretty sure the cover of the book is meaningless to God. I'm sure he's more concerned with the condition of your heart.

You just hit the nail on the head.

So...the people of other religions with good hearts... Anne Frank, for example, go to heaven? Or do they have to accept Jesus as outlined in John? What does the Presbyterian church say about it?

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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And what does the Bible say about failing to bring beer when you owe it, or farting in the plane?

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And what does the Bible say about failing to bring beer when you owe it, or farting in the plane?

Which Bible?

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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So...the people of other religions with good hearts... Anne Frank, for example, go to heaven? Or do they have to accept Jesus as outlined in John? What does the Presbyterian church say about it?

Who's good? This is not Presbyterian specific. The bible says that only God is good. If only God is good, then you and I need a Savior. Otherwise, we will be held accountable for what we've done. If anyone is in heaven right now, it is because they repented and placed their trust in Jesus Christ.

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So...the people of other religions with good hearts... Anne Frank, for example, go to heaven? Or do they have to accept Jesus as outlined in John? What does the Presbyterian church say about it?

Who's good? This is not Presbyterian specific. The bible says that only God is good. If only God is good, then you and I need a Savior. Otherwise, we will be held accountable for what we've done. If anyone is in heaven right now, it is because they repented and placed their trust in Jesus Christ.

Anne Frank was good. She evidently did not trust in JC.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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Anne Frank was good.

By who's standard?

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Anne Frank was good.

By who's standard?

Mine. Was she good by your standards?
(it's time for you to insert some bullshit about nobody being good enough...)

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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Anne Frank was good.

By who's standard?

Mine. Was she good by your standards?
(it's time for you to insert some bullshit about nobody being good enough...)

I thought she was a very good person but what does that matter? We're not going to be judged by my standard of goodness or yours.

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Ive got a question. Why is this loony getting as much attention as he is? Lets face FACTS here.

1. Anyone can read the Bible and interpret it in any number of different ways.
2. This is a really OLD guy ranting on and on.

Why the hell does some old fart get all this attention because of something they choose to believe in? I've got a damn good speculation as to why he may believe what he does. As I've said, HE'S OLD!!! Old people often seek ways to "ease their mind", as it were, about post death matters. It seems to me that this guy is scared out of his mind of dieing. He WANTS the rapture to happen soon (because he ain't got long left). Anywho, that's my assumption as to why he may think the way he does, but the question still remains.

WHY THE HELL DOES ANYONE CARE WHAT THIS GUY SAYS?

For the record, I didn't even know about any of this before today (guessing because I spend more time on porn sites then I do news ones).

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He gets this much attention because he is on the radio and has followers putting up billboards, driving vans, and handing out fliers. That's the difference between him and chuteless.

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WHY THE HELL DOES ANYONE CARE WHAT THIS GUY SAYS?

It's a microcosm of religion. There are people whose lives are being fucked because they believe his horseshit.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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>Please DO NOT include all evangelical Christians in the same category as Harold Camping.

>One doesn't go to hell because they fail to follow the particular tenets of
>some denomination/religion . . .

So the idea that there will indeed be a day of judgment soon, per Biblical prophecies - kooky cults.

The idea that there's a fiery hell where am evil devil will endlessly torment souls who have strayed from the path a given religious sect dictates - perfectly reasonable.

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WHY THE HELL DOES ANYONE CARE WHAT THIS GUY SAYS?

It's a microcosm of religion. There are people whose lives are being fucked because they believe his horseshit.

Why the hell would someone listen to the rantings of someone who resembles Karl Childers? Seriously, this is the first thing that came to the brain when I heard the guy (see link).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbL-0gJLGRM

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Anne Frank was good.

By who's standard?

Mine. Was she good by your standards?
(it's time for you to insert some bullshit about nobody being good enough...)

I thought she was a very good person but what does that matter? We're not going to be judged by my standard of goodness or yours.

You say she was a very good person, but the tenets of your religion say that she is being tormented in the fires of hell for all eternity, as she evidently didn't trust in JC.

How do you reconcile this?

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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You say she was a very good person, but the tenets of your religion say that she is being tormented in the fires of hell for all eternity, as she evidently didn't trust in JC.

How do you reconcile this?

I can't say where she is right now. Neither can you. I'm not her judge. All I can hope for is that she put her faith in Jesus Christ before she died or else her sins are not forgiven. That's all one can hope for anyone. The Jews know the prophecy They understand the Passover. Many have understood and believed that the Passover points to fulfilment in Jesus Christ. The real question here, though, isn't Anne Frank. She's gone and her fate is sealed either way. The question is how are you going to atone for your sins? What are you going to do when you die and have to stand before God and give an account? It's coming. Probably not tomorrow but nevertheless.

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You say she was a very good person, but the tenets of your religion say that she is being tormented in the fires of hell for all eternity, as she evidently didn't trust in JC.

How do you reconcile this?

I can't say where she is right now. Neither can you. I'm not her judge. All I can hope for is that she put her faith in Jesus Christ before she died or else her sins are not forgiven. That's all one can hope for anyone. The Jews know the prophecy They understand the Passover. Many have understood and believed that the Passover points to fulfilment in Jesus Christ. The real question here, though, isn't Anne Frank. She's gone and her fate is sealed either way. The question is how are you going to atone for your sins? What are you going to do when you die and have to stand before God and give an account? It's coming. Probably not tomorrow but nevertheless.

No sale. Fear only works if you're weak-minded enough to believe your drivel. I'm not. Is that all you've got?

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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No sale. Fear only works if you're weak-minded enough to believe your drivel. I'm not. Is that all you've got?

I'm not selling anything. Not using a Jedi mind trick either. The reality of it exists whether you believe it or not. You know you're guilty if you've got a conscience. Just wondering what your game plan is. Seriously.

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Untold millions have never and will never even have the opportunity to learn about Jesus Christ, let alone accept him as their savior.

According to your belief these people, men, women, and children will all burn in hell forever because they have not accepted that Jesus is their savior. They were doomed to eternal torment from the day they were conceived.

What a ludicrous notion. No loving god would ever put a system like this in place.

Whatever comes next is what awaits us all, regardless of race, creed, religion, nationality, or gender, or even species.

The notion that god rewards the just and punishes the wicked still exists only because people are angry about the shit that goes on in the world and afraid of the unknown that awaits us all

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No sale. Fear only works if you're weak-minded enough to believe your drivel. I'm not. Is that all you've got?

I'm not selling anything. Not using a Jedi mind trick either. The reality of it exists whether you believe it or not. You know you're guilty if you've got a conscience. Just wondering what your game plan is. Seriously.

You are indeed selling a crock of shit with all the trimmings.

I have a conscience. I recieved it through evolution, the teaching of my parents, and my experiences during my formative years.
I know that when I was born that I was absolutely not guilty of anything.
I know that when I die, I will return to nothingness. I came from nothing...it wasn't that bad.(paraphrasing Dr. Kevorkian). I'm completely OK with that.

Your mythical god has nothing to do with reality. If it did, there would be objective evidence of it. I have no clue why you need some magic carrot/stick approach to live a good life. I have no idea why you believe in things that make absolutely no rational sense in order feel worthwhile. I don't need those things, and I resent it when your kind shoves it down the throats of those too weak minded to see through your bullshit.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."