Be extra careful this Saturday!

[stevebabin 0]

....and welcome back!
(Here are those links in case you missed them again.)

http://www.humanreligions.info/intelligence.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

Please.... continue your evangelistic work.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

[tkhayes 348]

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The symptoms are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

you forgot hatred, denial, crusading, witch-burning, child molestation, torture, and self-righteousness to name a few.

Religion would be near perfect and EVERYONE would buy into it if it only had the traits that you describe. But sadly it does not.

[jaybird18c 24]

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The symptoms are love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control.

you forgot hatred, denial, crusading, witch-burning, child molestation, torture, and self-righteousness to name a few.

Religion would be near perfect and EVERYONE would buy into it if it only had the traits that you describe. But sadly it does not.

Interesting point. One person in history perfectly displayed the characteristics of love, joy, peace, happiness, thanksgiving, patience, kindness, etc. and they crucified Him for it. Seems everyone wouldn't buy into it if it were those things. The world hates anything contrary to it's corrupt self. The world doesn't and will not love the things of God.

[jakee 1,489]

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One person in history perfectly displayed the characteristics of love, joy, peace, happiness, thanksgiving, patience, kindness, etc

Perfectly?

What about the time he lost his rag, whipped a bunch of people and broke all their stuff? Perfect patience? Perfect peace?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

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. In your family, the person with the highest level of education is an atheist.

MD is ranked higher than PhD. He mentioned three of them.

You engineering types make snap decisions without examining the data thoroughly or, so it would seem from various observations.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

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What if we started threads on applied theology? Discuss how our faith and belief helps us live life on life's terms. How it shows us how to take personal responsibility.

That's fine, but I kinda like how the atheists dominate the creation of religious threads here in SC...it's a beautiful harmonic of irony against their notion of us shoving our beliefs down their throat.

The bottom line is that if we continue to discuss our faith in these forum, we will have to be all the more dilligent to pass the faithful test against antagonism.

Excellent observation and point well taken.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[shropshire 0]

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You engineering religious types make snap decisions without examining the data thoroughly or, so it would seem from various observations.

What was that they say about pots and kettles?

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Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome

[jakee 1,489]

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MD is ranked higher than PhD.

By who?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

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One person in history perfectly displayed the characteristics of love, joy, peace, happiness, thanksgiving, patience, kindness, etc

Perfectly?

What about the time he lost his rag, whipped a bunch of people and broke all their stuff? Perfect patience? Perfect peace?

Hey Rabbit,
If you are going to butt in to someone else's conversation at least learn American vernacular. No one understands that cockney bravo sierra.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jaybird18c 24]

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MD is ranked higher than PhD.

By who?

Just a different focus (e.g. research vs. Practitioner). I don't think one is better or harder to get than the other. Kallend obviously thinks so, however. That's okay. I think he's wrong and wouldn't really have any idea unless he was also a MD or even a DO. But why should ignorance stop him from giving his "expert" opinion. Not that any of this duel of credentials has ANYTHING to do with the validity of what we're talking about.

ADDED: You could always be one tough hombre and go for a MD/PhD. Then, you really never ever sleep or eat or see your friends/family.

[jakee 1,489]

What does Kallend have to do with any of this?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jaybird18c 24]

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What does Kallend have to do with any of this?

Sorry. Billvon. My mistake. I lose track sometimes. It was a long night/little sleep.

[jakee 1,489]

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One person in history perfectly displayed the characteristics of love, joy, peace, happiness, thanksgiving, patience, kindness, etc

Perfectly?

What about the time he lost his rag, whipped a bunch of people and broke all their stuff? Perfect patience? Perfect peace?

Hey Rabbit,
If you are going to butt in to someone else's conversation at least learn American vernacular. No one understands that cockney bravo sierra.

Two fine points of irony here:

1) You respond to a conversation about intelligence levels and you can't even understand simple English, and

2) Keep working on that love and kindness bit.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

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1) You respond to a conversation about intelligence levels and you can't even understand simple English, and

The entrance to the rabbit hole.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,026]

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What does Kallend have to do with any of this?

Sorry. Billvon. My mistake. I lose track sometimes.

So it seems. Mostly when you invoke invisible friends to explain things.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jaybird18c 24]

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What about the time he lost his rag, whipped a bunch of people and broke all their stuff? Perfect patience? Perfect peace?

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Question: "Was Jesus ever angry?"

Answer: When Jesus cleared the temple of the moneychangers and animal-sellers, He showed great emotion and anger (Matthew 21:12-13; Mark 11:15-18; John 2:13-22). Jesus’ emotion was described as “zeal” for God’s house (John 2:17). His anger was pure and completely justified because at its root was concern for God’s holiness and worship. Because these were at stake, Jesus took quick and decisive action. Another time Jesus showed anger was in the synagogue of Capernaum. When the Pharisees refused to answer Jesus’ questions, “He looked around at them in anger, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts” (Mark 3:5).

Many times, we think of anger as a selfish, destructive emotion that we should eradicate from our lives altogether. However, the fact that Jesus did sometimes become angry indicates that anger itself, as an emotion, is amoral. This is borne out elsewhere in the New Testament. Ephesians 4:26 instructs us “in your anger do not sin” and not to let the sun go down on our anger. The command is not to “avoid anger” (or suppress it or ignore it) but to deal with it properly, in a timely manner. We note the following facts about Jesus’ displays of anger:

1) His anger had the proper motivation. In other words, He was angry for the right reasons. Jesus’ anger did not arise from petty arguments or personal slights against Him. There was no selfishness involved.

2) His anger had the proper focus. He was not angry at God or at the “weaknesses” of others. His anger targeted sinful behavior and true injustice.

3) His anger had the proper supplement. Mark 3:5 says that His anger was attended by grief over the Pharisees’ lack of faith. Jesus’ anger stemmed from love for the Pharisees and concern for their spiritual condition. It had nothing to do with hatred or ill will.

4) His anger had the proper control. Jesus was never out of control, even in His wrath. The temple leaders did not like His cleansing of the temple (Luke 19:47), but He had done nothing sinful. He controlled His emotions; His emotions did not control Him.

5) His anger had the proper duration. He did not allow His anger to turn into bitterness; He did not hold grudges. He dealt with each situation properly, and He handled anger in good time.

6) His anger had the proper result. Jesus’ anger had the inevitable consequence of godly action. Jesus’ anger, as with all His emotions, was held in check by the Word of God; thus, Jesus’ response was always to accomplish God’s will.

When we get angry, too often we have improper control or an improper focus. We fail in one or more of the above points. This is the wrath of man, of which we are told “Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry, for man’s anger does not bring about the righteous life that God desires” (James 1:19-20). Jesus did not exhibit man’s anger, but the righteous indignation of God.

Was Jesus ever angry?

[jaybird18c 24]

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What does Kallend have to do with any of this?

Sorry. Billvon. My mistake. I lose track sometimes.

So it seems. Mostly when you invoke invisible friends to explain things.

No. Last night was just due to the stress of the job and sleep deprvation...but thanks.

[billvon 2,990]

>MD is ranked higher than PhD. He mentioned three of them.

I'd beg to differ. MD's have four years of education beyond college, which is about what your typical PhD gets.

In any case, the one atheist in his family achieved a PhD. Some religious members achieved an MD, some did not. The average in that small sample favors the atheist. (Which is still too small to be statistically valid, but does match the opinion in the post he was replying to.)

[jakee 1,489]

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He was not angry at God or at the “weaknesses” of others. His anger targeted sinful behavior and true injustice.

Surely that means he was angry at the weaknesses of others?

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His anger had the proper supplement. Mark 3:5 says that His anger was attended by grief over the Pharisees’ lack of faith. Jesus’ anger stemmed from love for the Pharisees and concern for their spiritual condition. It had nothing to do with hatred or ill will.

What about thde temple? Was he in love with the money changers?

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His anger had the proper control. Jesus was never out of control, even in His wrath.

Are you sure? He grabbed a makeshift weapon and whipped an entire room full of people until they ran away, and then he broke the stuff they'd left behind. How can you tell the difference between doing that and losing control?

Of course, non of those points will mean anything to you because this "However, the fact that Jesus did sometimes become angry indicates that anger itself, as an emotion, is amoral" clearly shows that all you're doing is begging the question. You don't think that Jesus was perfectly good because he displayed the characteristics of being perfectly good. You think that Jesus was perfectly good and therefore the characteristics he displayed must have been perfectly good. Even when they're blatantly not.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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1) You respond to a conversation about intelligence levels and you can't even understand simple English, and

The entrance to the rabbit hole.

Have you been on the mercury again, or is it just an acid flashback?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[stevebabin 0]

Your statement that "the mind is a terrible thing" dovetails nicely with the studies I mentioned that show the more intelligent a person, the less likely it is that he'll be religious...
Is this sentiment of yours a result of your counseling? (It would make sense to me that the less intellegent would be the ones seeking "christian" counseling.)

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."

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>MD is ranked higher than PhD. He mentioned three of them.

I'd beg to differ. MD's have four years of education beyond college, which is about what your typical PhD gets.

In any case, the one atheist in his family achieved a PhD. Some religious members achieved an MD, some did not. The average in that small sample favors the atheist. (Which is still too small to be statistically valid, but does match the opinion in the post he was replying to.)

Do Lawyers and Engineers count?

My wife also had 4 years beyond medical school for her internship and residency (for her specalty). She actually got paid a small amount for that but I think it works out to minimum wage for the hours spent (at least back in those days; before the work limits now in place most places). I know that's kind of a work/school experience but nevertheless... It's a monumental ass-kicker. I've never seen anything like it. I don't think PhD's have that kind of nightmare after their "schooling"...but I could be wrong.

Then...you've got to get board certification consisting of 3 step written boards and an oral board exam. No small task.

Then, you can go do the job somewhere and "get paid too much money for what you do."

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>MD is ranked higher than PhD. He mentioned three of them.

I'd beg to differ. MD's have four years of education beyond college, which is about what your typical PhD gets.

In any case, the one atheist in his family achieved a PhD. Some religious members achieved an MD, some did not. The average in that small sample favors the atheist. (Which is still too small to be statistically valid, but does match the opinion in the post he was replying to.)

Do Lawyers and Engineers count?

My wife also had 4 years beyond medical school for her internship and residency (for her specalty). She actually got paid a small amount for that but I think it works out to minimum wage for the hours spent (at least back in those days; before the work limits now in place most places). I know that's kind of a work/school experience but nevertheless... It's a monumental ass-kicker. I've never seen anything like it. I don't think PhD's have that kind of nightmare after their "schooling"...but I could be wrong.

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You are confused yet again, this time between education and job training.

It all depends what the career choice is. An MD wishing to go into research doesn't have to do boards and residency. A PhD who wishes to go into academia will typically be required to do a 2 year post-doc and a further 6-7 years on the tenure track grind, pretty much equivalent to a residency.

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>My wife also had 4 years beyond medical school for her internship and
>residency (for her specalty) . . .

Yeah, my wife did as well.

>It's a monumental ass-kicker. I've never seen anything like it. I don't
>think PhD's have that kind of nightmare after their "schooling"...but I
>could be wrong.

I think in terms of sheer exhaustion, overall effort and stress it's a lot closer to having a baby than going to school (i.e. it's dealing with stress, lack of sleep and high pressure decisions as opposed to cramming your brain full of stuff.)

And again, I'm not claiming that religious people are dumb or undereducated, or that atheists are smarter. There is a _small_ bias towards higher education in atheists just because there are some fields requiring higher education (paleontology, astronomy, genetics, biology etc) that are incompatible with the more orthodox/conservative forms of religion.

[stevebabin 0]

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>MD is ranked higher than PhD. He mentioned three of them.

I'd beg to differ. MD's have four years of education beyond college, which is about what your typical PhD gets.

In any case, the one atheist in his family achieved a PhD. Some religious members achieved an MD, some did not. The average in that small sample favors the atheist. (Which is still too small to be statistically valid, but does match the opinion in the post he was replying to.)

Do Lawyers and Engineers count?

My wife also had 4 years beyond medical school for her internship and residency (for her specalty). She actually got paid a small amount for that but I think it works out to minimum wage for the hours spent (at least back in those days; before the work limits now in place most places). I know that's kind of a work/school experience but nevertheless... It's a monumental ass-kicker. I've never seen anything like it. I don't think PhD's have that kind of nightmare after their "schooling"...but I could be wrong.

Then...you've got to get board certification consisting of 3 step written boards and an oral board exam. No small task.

Then, you can go do the job somewhere and "get paid too much money for what you do."

All that training...and they still can't tell myth from reality. Goes to show that some people you just can't be reached.

"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings."
"Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up."