kallend 2,027 #1 May 23, 2011 ... whether those red states that have been most affected by the flooding, droughts and the tornadoes and which have representatives in Congress who have voted against legislation relating to climate change, will ask for Federal assistance... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #2 May 23, 2011 Do you think it would have made any difference either way? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #3 May 23, 2011 QuoteDo you think it would have made any difference either way? Not immediately. Slowing or reversing the effect will take decades. But that isn't really the point, we need to start now, not remain in denial.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #4 May 23, 2011 Right, the hard part isn't implementing change it's getting everyone to agree to it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #5 May 23, 2011 "Weather is not climate"Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #6 May 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteDo you think it would have made any difference either way? Not immediately. Slowing or reversing the effect will take decades. But that isn't really the point, we need to start now, not remain in denial. Your religion is showing"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 May 23, 2011 Quote"Weather is not climate" only somethimes"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,452 #8 May 23, 2011 No, but climate includes weather. All of it -- the good, the bad, the part that fits what people want to believe, and the part that doesn't. Which is why when you're looking at weather, you really shouldn't cherry-pick. In either direction. Find a hypothesis, test it with data, try again. No hypothesis will ever be perfect. But once the evidence swings more and more towards one that indicates that action is needed, consider taking action. Sometimes doctors give you medicine without knowing exactly what is wrong, because it looks a whole lot like (x). Would you rather they waited until they are sure? Probably not most of the time. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #9 May 23, 2011 QuoteNo, but climate includes weather. All of it -- the good, the bad, the part that fits what people want to believe, and the part that doesn't. Yes, it does. QuoteWhich is why when you're looking at weather, you really shouldn't cherry-pick. In either direction. Find a hypothesis, test it with data, try again. Kallend tends to blame any bad weather on global warming, while dismissing any countervailing examples with the "weather isn't climate" statement. QuoteNo hypothesis will ever be perfect. But once the evidence swings more and more towards one that indicates that action is needed, consider taking action. So, since the temperature anomaly has been flat since 1998 *while* CO2 has continued to rise, we should be revising the hypotheses to be sure, yes?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #10 May 23, 2011 Quote Which is why when you're looking at weather, you really shouldn't cherry-pick. In either direction. Find a hypothesis, test it with data, try again. and when random data fed into the model produces the hockey stick everyone fears, then clearly the model is flawed.-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #11 May 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteDo you think it would have made any difference either way? Not immediately. Slowing or reversing the effect will take decades. But that isn't really the point, we need to start now, not remain in denial. Your religion is showing Yes it is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #12 May 23, 2011 Quote... whether those red states that have been most affected by the flooding, droughts and the tornadoes and which have representatives in Congress who have voted against legislation relating to climate change, will ask for Federal assistance So what caused the same weather 28 years ago? 80 years ago? 150 years ago etc etc etc... hmmmmm Maybe the buffalo farts did it...... MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #13 May 23, 2011 QuoteNo, but climate includes weather. All of it -- the good, the bad, the part that fits what people want to believe, and the part that doesn't. Which is why when you're looking at weather, you really shouldn't cherry-pick. In either direction. Find a hypothesis, test it with data, try again. No hypothesis will ever be perfect. But once the evidence swings more and more towards one that indicates that action is needed, consider taking action. And the hypothesis is that we will get more extreme weather.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #14 May 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteDo you think it would have made any difference either way? Not immediately. Slowing or reversing the effect will take decades. But that isn't really the point, we need to start now, not remain in denial. Your religion is showing Yes it is. I wonder what Jesus would have thought about belching 30 BILLION TONS of CO2 (along with other pollutants) into the atmosphere every year.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 May 23, 2011 QuoteQuoteNo, but climate includes weather. All of it -- the good, the bad, the part that fits what people want to believe, and the part that doesn't. Which is why when you're looking at weather, you really shouldn't cherry-pick. In either direction. Find a hypothesis, test it with data, try again. No hypothesis will ever be perfect. But once the evidence swings more and more towards one that indicates that action is needed, consider taking action. And the hypothesis is that we will get more extreme weather. Yep, more extreme either way, more and more powerful than normal, or fewer and less powerful. If it gets warmer or cooler and if any weather is not what someone would like Got it covered on all sides There has been one problem lately however. The predictions just do not seem to be coming true How sad Oh, and ya I work for a power company. Damn proud of it. I just want to stop those like you who use the propoganda you do to try and force a life style you want on others Good thing is, the population is getting it Damn good thing"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #16 May 23, 2011 Quote And the hypothesis is that we will get more extreme weather. and to play your typical game, "more" accepts the fact that these events already will happen, just asserts that it will be a more frequent event. But how do you establish that the latest disaster was part of the "more" side and not the usual disaster quota? Hurricanes can almost immediately be disregarded from the 'more' line. After a sequence of bad years, the "more" crowd was in full fury, but we've now seen several rather quiet years. sorry, you can't have it both ways. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #17 May 23, 2011 QuoteI wonder what Jesus would have thought about belching 30 BILLION TONS of CO2 (along with other pollutants) into the atmosphere every year. I'm fairly certain of two things with regard to this question: One: "man-made" global warming (if that's even possible) isn't addressed in the Bible. Why would it be? Second: Jesus is more concerned about your soul than changes in the climate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Niki1 1 #18 May 25, 2011 QuoteRight, the hard part isn't implementing change it's getting everyone to agree to it. Every body wants improvement but nobody wants to change. Every body wants to go to heaven but nobody wants to die.Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossilbe before they were done. Louis D Brandeis Where are we going and why are we in this basket? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #19 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteI wonder what Jesus would have thought about belching 30 BILLION TONS of CO2 (along with other pollutants) into the atmosphere every year. I'm fairly certain of two things with regard to this question: One: "man-made" global warming (if that's even possible) isn't addressed in the Bible. Why would it be? Second: Jesus is more concerned about your soul than changes in the climate. Condoms, the day-after-pill, rock music, marijuana... aren't addressed in the bible either. Lots of "Christians" get outraged over them.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #20 May 25, 2011 Quote... whether those red states that have been most affected by the flooding, droughts and the tornadoes and which have representatives in Congress who have voted against legislation relating to climate change, will ask for Federal assistance Joe Bastardi stated on TV tonight that the extreme WX is related to significant cooling in the upper layers of the atmosphere as it clashes with the warmer levels of the lower atmosphere. In other words, cold is coming down not hot going up.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #21 May 25, 2011 Quote... whether those red states that have been most affected by the flooding, droughts and the tornadoes and which have representatives in Congress who have voted against legislation relating to climate change, will ask for Federal assistance the flooding wouldn't have anything to do with the army corpse of engineers levying the entire mississippi river from start to finish causing all runoff to be funneled into a small area putting extreme amounts of pressure and volume into a small area that that couldn't possibly handle what it wasn't designed to handle. nope that isn't it, the government couldn't possibly screw up someting this large could they? or introduce asian carp into the river system, or work medicare or social security in the black. nope it must be the evil cars that burn fossil fuel driven by the evil people being controled by the evil big oil companies. As far as tornadoes they are new. never saw them before global warming started, the midwest and south never had tornadoes before cars were invented. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #22 May 25, 2011 QuoteCondoms, the day-after-pill, rock music, marijuana... aren't addressed in the bible either. Lots of "Christians" get outraged over them. Really Kallend? That's your point? Of course none of those things are specifically addressed in the Bible. Countless other yhings aren't specifically mentioned by name. That's not how it works. Principals are derived from Scripture which can then be applied to everyday situations (depending on the context). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #23 May 25, 2011 QuoteQuoteCondoms, the day-after-pill, rock music, marijuana... aren't addressed in the bible either. Lots of "Christians" get outraged over them. Really Kallend? That's your point? Of course none of those things are specifically addressed in the Bible. Countless other yhings aren't specifically mentioned by name. That's not how it works. Principals are derived from Scripture which can then be applied to everyday situations (depending on the context). How does your "Scripture" address fouling the Earth?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #24 May 25, 2011 QuoteHow does your "Scripture" address fouling the Earth? Who cares? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #25 May 25, 2011 Quote Quote How does your "Scripture" address fouling the Earth? Who cares? Evasion, equivocation and mental reservation - your response to difficult questions. You fit in here very nicely.I suppose the rapture in October (it is October now, isn't it?) makes spewing another 15 BILLION tons of CO2 into the atmosphere between now and then irrelevant.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
