dreamdancer 0 #26 May 27, 2011 QuoteIts also about his, Black Liberation Theology... ah, the old race card...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #27 May 27, 2011 QuoteExactly what does Israel provide to the US in terms of being an ally? Seriously. Nothing that I can see. Israel needs the US far more than the US needs Israel. The relationship is woefully lopsided. Israel is the Keystone of Western Civilization. Israel must not fall... I will explain. QuoteAs for the borders themselves, what has given Israel the right to expand them beyond what was previously agreed to? Nothing that I can see. UN Resolution 242 - 11.22.1967 Israel's Critical Security Needs for a Viable Peace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWmPqY8TE0 QuoteObama was right. No... he wasn't. And he slapped our strongest ally in the face. Not only what he said... but how, and when he said it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #28 May 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteIts also about his, Black Liberation Theology... ah, the old race card... You are a Moron, if you call that the race card. Its on their own damn website (including Rev. Wright). Its an offshoot of, Liberation Theology out of Mexico. Just go back to reading alternet... we know who you are. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #29 May 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteIts also about his, Black Liberation Theology... ah, the old race card... You are a Moron, if you call that the race card. ditto to you if you think you haven't played it...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KidWicked 0 #30 May 27, 2011 Quote Quote So this idea that a jewish person will never vote for Obama again (or give money) is predicated on the assumption of an irrational, overly-emotional response, and on that response being persistent for years. It seems to severely underestimate the emotional and intellectual capabilities of the jewish block. Reading is Fundamental Quote Like I said... he will lose at least 10%, and Florida. No... Has more to do with, the confirmation, of already uneasy concerns about Obama's true feelings. Including, but most definitely not limited to his friendship with Rashid Khalidii. Who he had some very kind words for in a dinner toast, that was on video, but unreleased by the "Mainstream Media" (LA Times) during the primaries. Top 10: 6. Throwing Churchill out of the Oval Office It is hard to think of a more derogatory message to send to the British people within days of taking office than to fling a bust of Winston Churchill out of the Oval Office and send it packing back to the British Embassy – not least as it was a loaned gift from Britain to the United States as a powerful display of solidarity in the aftermath of the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and Washington. Obviously, public diplomacy is not a concept that carries much weight in the current White House, and nor apparently is common sense. This further shows his "Anti-Colonialist" stance... his grandfather was jailed and tortured by England (framework). Even if Obama, just didn't want it in the Oval Office, it could have gone in a Museum. He said, no... just take it back. Very good book out there on the subject of his Anti-Colonialism. Its also about his, Black Liberation Theology... and so much more! I don't give a crap, about a Birth Certificate! (Obama loved that distraction) So... no. There is much, much more to it My post that you quoted was about emotion and in your reply you seem very emotional yourself. All of the stuff you're throwing against the wall (Rashid Khalidii, Churchill's bust, anti-colonialism, black liberation theology) - it's a laundry list of talking points. It does not seem very considered, and it has the effect of making it seem like you're struggling to justify your underlying hatred for the guy.Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #31 May 27, 2011 QuoteIsrael is the Keystone of Western Civilization. Israel must not fall... I will explain. What a load of crap QuoteAnd he slapped our strongest ally in the face. Israel is not the US' strongest ally. You obviously have a strong emotional tie to the subject, but inventing stuff isn't helping your argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #32 May 27, 2011 Your one warning. Cut it out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #33 May 27, 2011 QuoteIsrael is the Keystone of Western Civilization. No. It's not. The land was part of the fertile crescent and an important part of sea and land routes connecting lower Egypt with the rest of Mesopotamia in ancient times, but it's hardly the keystone to anything in the western world at this point. At this point, if the governments of every part of the fertile crescent simply vanished overnight, the world would continue on without them just fine. How is it even conceivable that when speaking of the state, "Israel is the Keystone of Western Civilization", if it didn't even exist before May of 1948?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #34 May 27, 2011 agreed - perhaps at one time - Greece, then later, Britain, certainly the US, possibly the evolution of the eastern Euro states are coming to the fore. I don't think Isreal has ever been keystone to western thinking. Maybe someday for the middle east, but certainly not so far, and that's an uphill battle. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #35 May 27, 2011 QuoteQuoteExactly what does Israel provide to the US in terms of being an ally? Seriously. Nothing that I can see. Israel needs the US far more than the US needs Israel. The relationship is woefully lopsided. Israel is the Keystone of Western Civilization. Israel must not fall... I will explain. QuoteAs for the borders themselves, what has given Israel the right to expand them beyond what was previously agreed to? Nothing that I can see. UN Resolution 242 - 11.22.1967 Israel's Critical Security Needs for a Viable Peace http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytWmPqY8TE0 QuoteObama was right. No... he wasn't. And he slapped our strongest ally in the face. Not only what he said... but how, and when he said it. You are absolutely correct. President Harry Truman pledged U.S. support to Israel in 1948. Quade had stated in the past that he thinks the pledge should be a do over. He has ZERO points on my scoreboard. Maybe he will see things more clearly after he turns 30.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #36 May 27, 2011 QuotePresident Harry Truman pledged U.S. support to Israel in 1948. Quade had stated in the past that he thinks the pledge should be a do over. He has ZERO points on my scoreboard. Maybe he will see things more clearly after he turns 30. There is a world of difference between supporting a country and allowing them to run roughshod over people and land that isn't within their own borders. The argument that somehow Israel is justified in expanding past their borders is simply ridiculous. Now, if you want to bring Truman into this and go back to the 1948 borders . . . is that what you're suggesting? I'd also like very much to see where the hell you came up with this idea. QuoteQuade had stated in the past that he thinks the pledge should be a do over. Where the hell did I say that?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #37 May 27, 2011 >President Harry Truman pledged U.S. support to Israel in 1948. And Donald Rumsfeld told Saddam Hussein that we supported him in 1983. Sold him components for his military and everything. Times change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #38 May 28, 2011 QuoteUh oh! Big business unable to purchase Obama! Is that what you take from this? I think you're smart enough to know that anyone in the oval office gets there because he has a price tag. And Obama telling Israel to go back to its 1967 borders is not reasonable or even remotely likely to happen. I think he knows that though, and his intention was to try gaining the favor of Muslim countries after taking out Osama in Pakistan. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #39 May 28, 2011 Quote Where the hell did I say that? You need to spend some time under the tutelage of billvon or Andy9o8. Although I disagree with them frequently, I respect them and their opinions because they are based on conviction and principle. They have a center point upon which they can remain focused. You, on the other hand, are a typical intellectualizing liberal, not really very intelligent but having the capability of forming rapid mental associations. You state these mental connections without any real foundation. Consequently, when you get called on principle, your only defense is denial. You are not able to recall your position because it is not based on anything other than your own ego. My father used to play professional baseball, for the Cincinnati Reds, during the 1930's. It was common practice in those days for the players to sharpen their spikes. Do you think they did that to play the ball or the player?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #40 May 28, 2011 QuoteMy father used to play professional baseball, for the Cincinnati Reds, during the 1930's. It was common practice in those days for the players to sharpen their spikes. Do you think they did that to play the ball or the player? well you're definitely tackling the player and not the ball - stick to the topic please...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #41 May 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteMy father used to play professional baseball, for the Cincinnati Reds, during the 1930's. It was common practice in those days for the players to sharpen their spikes. Do you think they did that to play the ball or the player? well you're definitely tackling the player and not the ball - stick to the topic please... The U.S. should support Israel's right to survive based on Truman's pledge in 1948. They are fighting for survival. They are our allies. Quade has stated that the presidential pledge is of little consequence. Billvon seems to think the same and justifies his position on our earlier support of Saddam Hussein. I do not agree with either one. However, quade's mind bounces around like a BB in boxcar, much the same as several other adolescent, liberal, socialist minded posters in this forum. Now, where do you think you fit?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #42 May 28, 2011 Quote quade's mind bounces around like a BB in boxcar, much the same as several other adolescent, liberal, socialist minded posters in this forum. Now, where do you think you fit? i'm your worst nightmare now shall i call you names as you are so fond of doing to others - or are you going to grow up and debate like an adult? you should back out now mate as you've lost this round...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #43 May 28, 2011 Quote Now, where do you think you fit? i'm your worst nightmare now shall i call you names as you are so fond of doing to others - or are you going to grow up and debate like an adult? you should back out now mate as you've lost this round... Nightmare? No way. Winning or losing in this venue is in the mind of the beholder only. Debate only holds significance if it actually accomplishes something.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #44 May 28, 2011 QuoteDebate only holds significance if it actually accomplishes something. and if it isn't reduced to personal attacks - that's why i say you've lost this debate...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #45 May 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteDebate only holds significance if it actually accomplishes something. and if it isn't reduced to personal attacks - that's why i say you've lost this debate... I'm not in debate with you. I just see you playing the role of big brother rescuer.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #46 May 28, 2011 QuoteQuade has stated that the presidential pledge is of little consequence. You've said as much twice now in this thread without quoting one single example. Simply believing something doesn't mean it's true. Show me your proof.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #47 May 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuade has stated that the presidential pledge is of little consequence. You've said as much twice now in this thread without quoting one single example. Simply believing something doesn't mean it's true. Show me your proof. And this makes the second time I have asked how to efficiently locate a specific post. To bring up all of one's posts and read them one by one is out of the question.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #48 May 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuade has stated that the presidential pledge is of little consequence. You've said as much twice now in this thread without quoting one single example. Simply believing something doesn't mean it's true. Show me your proof. And this makes the second time I have asked how to efficiently locate a specific post. To bring up all of one's posts and read them one by one is out of the question. The web site has always had a search function. It's right up there at the top of the page.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #49 May 28, 2011 Quote The web site has always had a search function. It's right up there at the top of the page. OK, I'll spend the next month or so checking that out. In the meantime, what say you now? Do you believe that President Truman's pledge to support Israel is valid now? Do you believe that Israel is a strong ally of the U.S.? Do you believe that the Palestinians will treat Israel with honor, respect and safety if the pre-1967 borders are restored? Do you have empathic compassion for the Israelis?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #50 May 28, 2011 QuoteQuoteStab your closest ally in the back... Yup! He did the "right thing." Israel is not the US' closest ally, but the US is certainly Israel's closest ally. Those are not the same. Israel's allegiance is based on who can offer them the most protection. money.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
