dreamdancer 0 #76 May 29, 2011 Quote I truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. obama is a christian stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #77 May 29, 2011 Quote That is applicable to our current situation here. American conservatives feel hostility toward the influx of socialist liberals. God damn, dude! You know you're partisan when you can't even accept that your political opponents are also americansDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #78 May 29, 2011 QuoteI truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. If that's not a non-sequitur I don't know what is. What are the chances of the US even coming close to having a Muslim leader any time in the next few decades?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #79 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteI truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. If that's not a non-sequitur I don't know what is. What are the chances of the US even coming close to having a Muslim leader any time in the next few decades? They said the same thing about having a Catholic President prior to JFK. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #80 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteI truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. If that's not a non-sequitur I don't know what is. What are the chances of the US even coming close to having a Muslim leader any time in the next few decades? They said the same thing about having a Catholic President prior to JFK. And mulatto presidents prior to whutzisname. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #81 May 29, 2011 QuoteThe Bible also states prophetically that it is going to get worse. I truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. And you claimed I was biased? Ok, man, whatever.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #82 May 29, 2011 Quote "... and that if a person an American citizen is making decisions solely on what’s good for Israel, then they're not really an American citizen are they?" Hear, hear, hear. Allies should be supported, but not to the point where anything goes. Seems like it's been that way for a long time, or at least to the point where the rest of the world perceives the relationship to be that way. Obama took the long-overdue step of applying Realpolitik to US foreign policy in the Middle East. I for one am sick and tired of our money being thrown away on losers like Whackistan, Egypt, et al. Maybe it's time for Bibi to put his own country's money where his mouth is, and STOP ACCEPTING OURS. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #83 May 29, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote I truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. If that's not a non-sequitur I don't know what is. What are the chances of the US even coming close to having a Muslim leader any time in the next few decades? They said the same thing about having a Catholic President prior to JFK. And mulatto presidents prior to whutzisname. Well, actually I think they said the same thing about having a black President. Whutzisname was just a compromise so as not to piss off the redneck, Union racists and to give the blacks at least half of what they wanted. Let's not forget he's half Muslim, too. Tis' all politics in the end. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #84 May 29, 2011 >The Bible also states prophetically that it is going to get worse. That's good news, I think. Biblical prophecies have a very consistent trend of not coming true. Let's hope the trend continues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #85 May 29, 2011 Quote >The Bible also states prophetically that it is going to get worse. That's good news, I think. Biblical prophecies have a very consistent trend of not coming true. Let's hope the trend continues. Speaking of which, the Mayan calendar allegedly foretells the "end of the world", but could not predict that society's own downfall...mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #86 May 29, 2011 Quote>The Bible also states prophetically that it is going to get worse. That's good news, I think. Biblical prophecies have a very consistent trend of not coming true. Let's hope the trend continues. On the contrary, Dake's Annotated Reference Bible lists all the prophecies, as well as the promises of God, and when they were fulfilled. The end time prophecies are the only ones left. Of course that means nothing.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #87 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe Bible also states prophetically that it is going to get worse. I truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. And you claimed I was biased? Ok, man, whatever. No, I claimed you were wishy-washy and ego centric. I am biased, very biased.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #88 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteI truly believe the U.S. should choose sides wisely. A Muslim leader is not likely to make the wise choice. If that's not a non-sequitur I don't know what is. What are the chances of the US even coming close to having a Muslim leader any time in the next few decades? You mean after this one? Once the door has been cracked open it can never be closed.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #89 May 29, 2011 Quote Speaking of which, the Mayan calendar allegedly foretells the "end of the world", but could not predict that society's own downfall...mh . Actually, I believe it is more accurate to say, the Mayan calendar predicted the end of a time cycle. The "Long Count" simply starts over. I am more concerned about getting through Rosh Hashanah in Sep 2011 and Sep 2012.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #90 May 29, 2011 QuoteI am more concerned about getting through Rosh Hashanah in Sep 2011 and Sep 2012. And there you have it ladies and gentleman, this thread has now officially taken the turn straight to crazy town.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #91 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteI am more concerned about getting through Rosh Hashanah in Sep 2011 and Sep 2012. And there you have it ladies and gentleman, this thread has now officially taken the turn straight to crazy town. Why? You have no idea what I am concerned about.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #92 May 29, 2011 Quote I think a good step in that direction would be for Israel to stop trying to expand into areas beyond its own borders. Reverting to its 1967 borders as suggested by President Obama is not unreasonable. It's a datapoint in history where a LOT of excess tension began. Might as well go back to 1948 then - that was the most significant datapoint in recent history, and by far the largest source of "excess tension." The claim that 1967 was started by the Israelis is a joke. And as I suggested on a few occasions earlier this week, begs some investigation of statements make by the Arabs fans about last year's blockade incident. Insisting that Israel can not preemptively act first in self defense is as sensible as insisting that crime victims wait until they've been mugged, raped, or killed before they can pull out a weapon and use it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #93 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteDo you think the US would be justified in invading Japan today because in 1941 Japan attacked Pearl Harbor? not the same. The state of war ended when Japan surrendered in 1945. but, if you insist... If Japan would violate the terms specified in the agreement that ended the war, then yes, the US would have the right to declare war on it. Japan and the US signed a further agreement in the 50s fully restoring Japanese sovereignty, so at that point, the surrender terms were deemed to have been met. Which again furthers your point that Japan is a red herring in this discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #94 May 29, 2011 QuoteInsisting that Israel can not preemptively act first in self defense is as sensible as insisting that crime victims wait until they've been mugged, raped, or killed before they can pull out a weapon and use it. Are you allowed to shoot your gun at your next door neighbor just because of what you "think" he might do?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #95 May 29, 2011 Quote I don't think so. It is almost always a stupid move to attempt to occupy an area of indigenous people that don't want you there. They have the advantage because they have the luxury of time and create sympathy for their cause due to collateral deaths. We've seen this time and time again. The Soviets quite successfully occupied all of Eastern Europe for over 4 decades. China has been been doing just fine these days. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #96 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteStab your closest ally in the back... Yup! He did the "right thing." Israel is not the US' closest ally, but the US is certainly Israel's closest ally. Those are not the same. Israel's allegiance is based on who can offer them the most protection. money. more anti Israel nonsense. The US is their closest ally because there are about as many Jews here as there, and together that represents about 90% of the world's Jewish population. A shockingly small population, btw, only about twice the number that were killed in WW2. Obviously they don't do missionary work like the Mormons do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #97 May 29, 2011 QuoteThe Soviets quite successfully occupied all of Eastern Europe for over 4 decades. Really? How successful where they in the areas they weren't wanted, like, Afghanistan? Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Soviet Union kind of go out of business? I dunno. I might not know about history, but I thought I heard somewhere the Soviet Union no longer existed. QuoteChina has been been doing just fine these days. And 99% of the territory occupied by China wants to be occupied by China. How's it going in Taiwan and Tibet?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #98 May 29, 2011 QuoteQuoteInsisting that Israel can not preemptively act first in self defense is as sensible as insisting that crime victims wait until they've been mugged, raped, or killed before they can pull out a weapon and use it. Are you allowed to shoot your gun at your next door neighbor just because of what you "think" he might do? that gets answered by an evaluation (by a jury if necessary), of what a reasonable response is. If he's brown while you're not, and he's sitting on his patio chair and you shoot, that's obviously an unreasonable action. If instead his family has surrounded your residence, is climbing over the fence, and pulling out rifles, then what a reasonable response is has changed dramatically. Israel shouted out warnings, and they were disregarded. Likewise, if you shout out - "stop or I'll shoot" and the person continues to advance in such a menacing manner, you aren't morally or legally obligated to wait until he initiates the attack. You dug yourself into a hole here. Just bug out, already, you can't recover from the gaffe. And stop with the really crappy analogies (Japan, for ex). Surely you're not too hung over to do better today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #99 May 29, 2011 Quote . . .is climbing over the fence, and pulling out rifles . . . And if any country had crossed Israel's borders before the first shot in 1967 was fired, you might have a point. They hadn't, so you don't.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydiverbob 0 #100 May 29, 2011 It's no big deal, Soros will just write another check to make up for it.Who Dares Wins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
