Awww Poor Babies

[rushmc 23]

And how about the opening to the linked article

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Freedom of information laws are used to harass scientists, says Nobel laureateSir Paul Nurse says climate scientists are being targeted by campaigns of requests designed to slow down their research

So the twisting is yours dude

So did you see this?

Or just ignore it for a reason only you know?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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But I have been consistant. The twists have come from you trying to reframe the debate

Eh? Example 1) You say he thinks he's above the law. I ask why you think he thinks he's above the law.

Example 2) I ask you why you think he thinks he is above the law. You say he's a crybaby.

Which is a twist or a reframing, 1 or 2?

And, again, explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said.

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The guy is a whinner. He does not like being required to give out data and info from his (or anybody elses) research. He is asking for a review

"The review – expected to be published next year – will examine ways of improving access to scientific data and research papers...

Nurse said that, in principle, scientific information should be made available as widely as possible as a matter of course...

"It is essential that scientists are as open and transparent as possible and, where they are not, they should be held to account."....

Nurse said that scientists were not blameless. At the University of East Anglia, they were too defensive in their responses to freedom of information requests over climate change, but their experience was one among many that highlighted a need for better training for scientists in the most appropriate way to respond to information requests...

He [Ward] added that the best way for scientists to respond was with more openness. "Scientists are going to have to get used to the idea that transparency means being transparent to your critics as well as your allies. You cannot pick and choose to whom you are transparent,""

You're kidding, right?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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And how about the opening to the linked article

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Freedom of information laws are used to harass scientists, says Nobel laureateSir Paul Nurse says climate scientists are being targeted by campaigns of requests designed to slow down their research

So the twisting is yours dude

So did you see this?

Or just ignore it for a reason only you know?

In what way have I ignored or twisted it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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But I have been consistant. The twists have come from you trying to reframe the debate

Eh? Example 1) You say he thinks he's above the law. I ask why you think he thinks he's above the law.

Example 2) I ask you why you think he thinks he is above the law. You say he's a crybaby.

Which is a twist or a reframing, 1 or 2?

And, again, explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said.

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The guy is a whinner. He does not like being required to give out data and info from his (or anybody elses) research. He is asking for a review

"The review – expected to be published next year – will examine ways of improving access to scientific data and research papers...

Nurse said that, in principle, scientific information should be made available as widely as possible as a matter of course...

"It is essential that scientists are as open and transparent as possible and, where they are not, they should be held to account."....

Nurse said that scientists were not blameless. At the University of East Anglia, they were too defensive in their responses to freedom of information requests over climate change, but their experience was one among many that highlighted a need for better training for scientists in the most appropriate way to respond to information requests...

He [Ward] added that the best way for scientists to respond was with more openness. "Scientists are going to have to get used to the idea that transparency means being transparent to your critics as well as your allies. You cannot pick and choose to whom you are transparent,""

You're kidding, right?

He is a whiner
a crybaby

The law is an inconvience to him

It is used against them

It is harrasment designed to slow down their research

poor poor baby

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Freedom of information laws are used to harass scientists, says Nobel laureateSir Paul Nurse says climate scientists are being targeted by campaigns of requests designed to slow down their research

Just to be sure you are not ignoring his statements

Now, lay the shovel down and back away slowly

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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He is a whiner
a crybaby

The law is an inconvience to him

It is used against them

It is harrasment designed to slow down their research

poor poor baby

Yeah, right, whatever. But again, explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said.

And when you said "He does not like being required to give out data and info from his (or anybody elses) research." - You were kidding, right?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[mnealtx 0]

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(Oh, and if you're going to pretend you didn't link to this article in a liberal UK newspaper (not your usual stomping ground) because of it's frequent references to climate scientists, you're a barefaced fucking liar.)

"Nobel laureate Sir Paul Nurse told the Guardian"

Looks like rushmc is due an apology.

Nice PA, by the way.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[jakee 1,489]

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(Oh, and if you're going to pretend you didn't link to this article in a liberal UK newspaper (not your usual stomping ground) because of it's frequent references to climate scientists, you're a barefaced fucking liar.)

"Nobel laureate Sir Paul Nurse told the Guardian"

Yes, The Guardian. What do you think The Guardian is? Is it a liberal UK newspaper, perhaps? Do you think that Rush is in the habit of reading the science pages of liberal UK newspapers? Is he in tha habit of linking to their stories?

What point is it you think you have here?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

Nice PA, by the way.

When they realized they have made themselves to look stupid they get angry

and then that is what the do

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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(Oh, and if you're going to pretend you didn't link to this article in a liberal UK newspaper (not your usual stomping ground) because of it's frequent references to climate scientists, you're a barefaced fucking liar.)

"Nobel laureate Sir Paul Nurse told the Guardian"

Yes, The Guardian. What do you think The Guardian is? Is it a liberal UK newspaper, perhaps? Do you think that Rush is in the habit of reading the science pages of liberal UK newspapers? Is he in tha habit of linking to their stories?

What point is it you think you have here?

Who is doing the twisting now

You really need to put down the shovel

....or the rope!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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Nice PA, by the way.

When they realized they have made themselves to look stupid they get angry

and then that is what the do

Well since the only thing you have provided in this entire thread are rants against the personality of the guy being interviewed in the article then you must have known from post 1 that your argument was stupid.

And while you're still here, any time you want to actually answer a question...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,489]

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(Oh, and if you're going to pretend you didn't link to this article in a liberal UK newspaper (not your usual stomping ground) because of it's frequent references to climate scientists, you're a barefaced fucking liar.)

"Nobel laureate Sir Paul Nurse told the Guardian"

Yes, The Guardian. What do you think The Guardian is? Is it a liberal UK newspaper, perhaps? Do you think that Rush is in the habit of reading the science pages of liberal UK newspapers? Is he in tha habit of linking to their stories?

What point is it you think you have here?

Who is doing the twisting now

That was a direct response to Mike's post. How is it a twist?

And while you're still here, any time you want to actually answer one of those questions...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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Nice PA, by the way.

When they realized they have made themselves to look stupid they get angry

and then that is what the do

Well since the only thing you have provided in this entire thread are rants against the personality of the guy being interviewed in the article then you must have known from post 1 that your argument was stupid.

And while you're still here, any time you want to actually answer a question...

I have answered your questions
You just don’t agree with the answer

It would also be a big help if you would ask one that has some relevance.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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I have answered your questions
You just don’t agree with the answer

Show me. Here's the question "Explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said." - where's the answer? N.b. "He's a crybaby" is not an answer.

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It would also be a big help if you would ask one that has some relevance.

Show me anything I've asked you that has not been a direct response to something you said.

Alternatively, how about you just stop dicking about and answer the questions? You seem so sure of your opinions, it should be easy for you.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rushmc 23]

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I have answered your questions
You just don’t agree with the answer

Show me. Here's the question "Explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said." - where's the answer? N.b. "He's a crybaby" is not an answer.

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It would also be a big help if you would ask one that has some relevance.

Show me anything I've asked you that has not been a direct response to something you said.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

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I have answered your questions
You just don’t agree with the answer

Show me. Here's the question "Explain to me why you think that he believes he should be above the law. Explain that to me, with reference to what he actually said." - where's the answer? N.b. "He's a crybaby" is not an answer.

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It would also be a big help if you would ask one that has some relevance.

Show me anything I've asked you that has not been a direct response to something you said.

Go on then.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[KidWicked 0]

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He is a whiner

a crybaby

poor poor baby

This is the intellectual level of a five year old.

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

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This is the intellectual level of a five year old.

Well if you say you have the intellectual level of a five year old I guess we just have to take you at your word.

[rushmc 23]

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He is a whiner

a crybaby

poor poor baby

This is the intellectual level of a five year old.

Something I am sure you are an expert at being

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[KidWicked 0]

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This is the intellectual level of a five year old.

Well if you say you have the intellectual level of a five year old I guess we just have to take you at your word.

LOL

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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He can grow up or change jobs

lol, you might as well typed: I don't understand the article.

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Then why did you post something you knew to be untrue?

Wrong.

[rushmc 23]

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He can grow up or change jobs

lol, you might as well typed: I don't understand the article.

LOL

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Freedom of information laws are used to harass scientists, says Nobel laureateSir Paul Nurse says climate scientists are being targeted by campaigns of requests designed to slow down their research

I guess

If you say so

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

He is a not a climate scientist.

Changing his job would not change anything for him, since HE is not being affected at this point.

[jakee 1,489]

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Then why did you post something you knew to be untrue?

Wrong.

You: So all the scientists have to do is post all their papers on a web site, which anyone can access online, without them having to respond to each and every individual request. Simple, open, impossible to criticize.

Article: "I have been told of some researchers who are getting lots of requests for, among other things, all drafts of scientific papers prior to their publication in journals, with annotations, explaining why changes were made between successive versions.

See?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?