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Why focus just on just the Afghan war?
Seems to me a new war in Libya is now underway.
Try not to worry about the things you have no control over
Seems to me a new war in Libya is now underway.
Try not to worry about the things you have no control over
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>Why focus just on just the Afghan war? Seems to me a new war in Libya
>is now underway.
True. We don't need to get out of one war - we need to change our attitudes about getting involved in foreign wars in general.
>is now underway.
True. We don't need to get out of one war - we need to change our attitudes about getting involved in foreign wars in general.
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JohnRich 4
QuoteQuoteWould you rather be in-debt in a democratic state, or debt-free living under the Taliban?
You really think there is even a remote chance that The US will one day be under Taliban rule?
Nope. Just trying to narrow down where people draw the line between in-debt freedom and debt-free tyranny.
And this thread isn't just about America, but also the same topic in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Butters 0
QuoteQuoteQuoteWould you rather be in-debt in a democratic state, or debt-free living under the Taliban?
You really think there is even a remote chance that The US will one day be under Taliban rule?
Nope. Just trying to narrow down where people draw the line between in-debt freedom and debt-free tyranny.
And this thread isn't just about America, but also the same topic in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Once again, do you think we'll remain a democratic state when the interest on the debt is more than we had, have, or will have? This is a more realistic question than the one you posed ...
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jimbrown 0
QuoteI think that if we don't get Afghanistan to the point where it can reasonably self-govern, it will become a terrorist training ground like none we've ever seen. There are still lots of ardent anti-Western Islamics all over the world. Currently, they have limited freedom to operate. If we give up on Afghanistan now, they'll move in and get to work. Once we leave it will twice as hard, and even more expensive, to go back. Either we fix it now, or we start saving up to reinvade in ten to twenty years.
Afghanistan has often been referred to as "the country where empires goe to die".
The Soviets tried to conquer the territory and went belly up in a large part because of the drain from that war.
The last sucessful invader who really had control over the area was Alexander the Great and he only maintained control for 3 years.
Afganistan had self government before we invaded. It was governed by the Taliban and apparently (from my view in the cheap seats) they had/ have strong support among the population.
Seems that both the Clinton and Bush administrations liked them pretty well also ,as they were courting, wineing and dining them like you or I would a big titted blonde.
Seems the Obama administration must like them pretty well also as they are presently lapping at the chance to negotiate with them.
Thing is the Taliban has done a pretty good job of surviving for ten years the present invasion and have even been able to at times give as good as they get.
Afgahans will surely self rule without US intervention.
That's not the question or why we've spent all this gold and blood.
The question is will a self governing Afghanistan be favorable to the situations the US wants.
Peace,
JimB
jimbrown 0
[replyWould you rather be in-debt in a democratic state, or debt-free living under the Taliban?
Let's start off remembering that none of us probably wants to live in a democracry(three wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu).
What the Founding Fathers left us was a "constitutional republic" . A form of government where the whims of the majority are reigned in by the rule of Law.
Since the start of the war the law has been changed so that many of our Rights are no longer recognized by the US government.
It's not so much a matter of would you rather be living in debt in a free society or without debt under Taliban rule.
The question should be ; You are living under a government run by corporations, banks, and big business where your Rights are not recognized. This government privatizes the profits but socializes the debt of these corporations . You are forced to pay a portion of your wages to hide the criminality of the bankers. You are also forced to pay a portion of your wages to support the military industrial complex and their foreign profit schemes which are the cause of tremendous loss of life, limb, mental stability and the destruction of infrastructures. You are forced to pay a portion of your wages to house the largest population of incarcerated nonviolent offenders in the world.
What can we do about it.
How can we bring about positive change?
But hey, It's your question.
Ask itfrom under what ever veil of ignorance you wish.
Peace,
Jim B
wsd 0
Quote[replyWould you rather be in-debt in a democratic state, or debt-free living under the Taliban?
Let's start off remembering that none of us probably wants to live in a democracry(three wolves and a sheep voting on the dinner menu).
What the Founding Fathers left us was a "constitutional republic" . A form of government where the whims of the majority are reigned in by the rule of Law.
Since the start of the war the law has been changed so that many of our Rights are no longer recognized by the US government.
It's not so much a matter of would you rather be living in debt in a free society or without debt under Taliban rule.
The question should be ; You are living under a government run by corporations, banks, and big business where your Rights are not recognized. This government privatizes the profits but socializes the debt of these corporations . You are forced to pay a portion of your wages to hide the criminality of the bankers. You are also forced to pay a portion of your wages to support the military industrial complex and their foreign profit schemes which are the cause of tremendous loss of life, limb, mental stability and the destruction of infrastructures. You are forced to pay a portion of your wages to house the largest population of incarcerated nonviolent offenders in the world.
What can we do about it.
How can we bring about positive change?
But hey, It's your question.
Ask itfrom under what ever veil of ignorance you wish.
Peace,
Jim B
Geez this is one of those times I can agree with you
You really think there is even a remote chance that The US will one day be under Taliban rule?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WJ6FbcWYRU
If ultra conservatives had their way.. we would certainly have an analog here living in a blissfull American version all worshiping the Lord on Sundays and Wednesday evenings and getting all our laws handed down from the THEOCRATS in the National Cathedral in Washington DC