Dept of ED issues warrant, SWAT team action for student loan default

[wayneflorida 0]

Gov't pimps the loans, inflates college cost, wrecks the economy, then arrests you for not paying back the loans. What a racket

Good thing the guy didn't have a bread knife in his hand when they came through the door. No doubt he would be dead.

They didn't even get the wife who was subject of the warrant.

Not a whole lot of detail in the story of why they wanted the wife so bad a SWAT team was necessary. Probably had to file a report on how many doors they broke down this month to keep their funding.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/141072/2/Dept-of-Education-breaks-down-Stockton-mans-door

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Gov't pimps the loans, inflates college cost, wrecks the economy, then arrests you for not paying back the loans. What a racket

Good thing the guy didn't have a bread knife in his hand when they came through the door. No doubt he would be dead.

They didn't even get the wife who was subject of the warrant.

Not a whole lot of detail in the story of why they wanted the wife so bad a SWAT team was necessary. Probably had to file a report on how many doors they broke down this month to keep their funding.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/141072/2/Dept-of-Education-breaks-down-Stockton-mans-door

Hey.. now there is a thought.. maybe we could bring back the system the British used for so many Americans ancestors who were brought here to this country as indentured labor. The government could sell them off to balance the budget. Work could set them free.

[RonD1120 62]

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Gov't pimps the loans, inflates college cost, wrecks the economy, then arrests you for not paying back the loans. What a racket

Good thing the guy didn't have a bread knife in his hand when they came through the door. No doubt he would be dead.

They didn't even get the wife who was subject of the warrant.

Not a whole lot of detail in the story of why they wanted the wife so bad a SWAT team was necessary. Probably had to file a report on how many doors they broke down this month to keep their funding.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/141072/2/Dept-of-Education-breaks-down-Stockton-mans-door

I am going to go way out on a limb and make a guess here but, I think billvon, quade, DanG and some others think this action is justified in the name of sound socialist principles.

I lived in CA for 2 years, never again. I fear visiting relatives and friends out there. I'm afraid I'd end up in jail.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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Gov't pimps the loans, inflates college cost, wrecks the economy, then arrests you for not paying back the loans. What a racket

Good thing the guy didn't have a bread knife in his hand when they came through the door. No doubt he would be dead.

They didn't even get the wife who was subject of the warrant.

Not a whole lot of detail in the story of why they wanted the wife so bad a SWAT team was necessary. Probably had to file a report on how many doors they broke down this month to keep their funding.

http://www.news10.net/news/article/141072/2/Dept-of-Education-breaks-down-Stockton-mans-door

I am going to go way out on a limb and make a guess here but, I think billvon, quade, DanG and some others think this action is justified in the name of sound socialist principles.

I lived in CA for 2 years, never again. I fear visiting relatives and friends out there. I'm afraid I'd end up in jail.

So basicly you are saying you are afraid you are incapable of living as a civilized human being with other human beings.... paying your bills and obeying the laws of the land... DUUUUDE that is taking that whole obeying only certain laws you agree with a tad far don't ya think???

I guess only Biblical Laws need apply in your wet dream of a Theocratic America. Didn't they sell debters off into slavery in the Bible??

Biblical Law... Sharia Law.... yeah thats the ticket... good conservative values

[RonD1120 62]

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So basicly you are saying you are afraid you are incapable of living as a civilized human being with other human beings.... paying your bills and obeying the laws of the land... DUUUUDE that is taking that whole obeying only certain laws you agree with a tad far don't ya think???

I guess only Biblical Laws need apply in your wet dream of a Theocratic America. Didn't they sell debters off into slavery in the Bible??

Biblical Law... Sharia Law.... yeah thats the ticket... good conservative values

Aw c'mon, you know that is not where I am coming from.

I'm afraid I would find myself in a situation where I would shoot my mouth off. I have a tendency to do that ya' know.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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So basicly you are saying you are afraid you are incapable of living as a civilized human being with other human beings.... paying your bills and obeying the laws of the land... DUUUUDE that is taking that whole obeying only certain laws you agree with a tad far don't ya think???

I guess only Biblical Laws need apply in your wet dream of a Theocratic America. Didn't they sell debters off into slavery in the Bible??

Biblical Law... Sharia Law.... yeah thats the ticket... good conservative values

Aw c'mon, you know that is not where I am coming from.

I'm afraid I would find myself in a situation where I would shoot my mouth off. I have a tendency to do that ya' know.

Come on Ron.. you are a big boy.. and I know at one point in your life you knew that pissing off the wrong person.. like a drill instructor.. by shooting off your mouth.. had consequences

Keep your wits about you( I think you learned the hard way that substances tend to loosen those inhibitions).. and play the role of a civilized human being and you will be just fine.

[billvon 2,991]

>I am going to go way out on a limb and make a guess here but, I think
>billvon, quade, DanG and some others think this action is justified in the
>name of sound socialist principles.

No, but good troll!

[kelpdiver 2]

this link is dead.

[champu 1]

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this link is dead.

Indeed, try this one...

http://centralstockton.news10.net/news/community/dept-education-breaks-down-stockton-mans-door/72578


Edited to add: In other news, the Dept of Education can issue search warrants?

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According to the Department of Education's Office of the Inspector General, the case can't be discussed publicly until it is closed, but a spokesperson did confirm that the department did issue the search warrant at Wright's home.

[SivaGanesha 2]

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They didn't even get the wife who was subject of the warrant.

It's unusual for a father to have custody of the children following a divorce. When he does, there is usually a story behind it--would be interesting to know what that story is. Often it is because the mother is known to have been involved in criminal activity.

Defaulting on a loan isn't usually a crime. Committing fraud--which might consist of lying to a federal agency to either obtain the loan in the first place or delay payment--might well be a crime. There was probably a criminal investigation of the wife related to student loan fraud underway. Based on the article a search warrant might well have been justified.

None of this justifies handcuffing the husband although I'd have to think about what SOP should be when a search warrant is legitimate in a criminal investigation and a non-suspect individual is found in the process of executing the warrant.

Basically I suspect the warrant itself was probably justified.

"It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014

[kelpdiver 2]

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Basically I suspect the warrant itself was probably justified.

warrant perhaps, but I'm struggling to see how financial crimes warrant a 6am wakeup raid, or a SWAT team. This was a total cock up, and they owe him a hell of a lot more than a new door.

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Siva Ganesha: It's unusual for a father to have custody of the children following a divorce. When he does, there is usually a story behind it--would be interesting to know what that story is. Often it is because the mother is known to have been involved in criminal activity.

Defaulting on a loan isn't usually a crime. Committing fraud--which might consist of lying to a federal agency to either obtain the loan in the first place or delay payment--might well be a crime. There was probably a criminal investigation of the wife related to student loan fraud underway. Based on the article a search warrant might well have been justified.

None of this justifies handcuffing the husband although I'd have to think about what SOP should be when a search warrant is legitimate in a criminal investigation and a non-suspect individual is found in the process of executing the warrant.

Basically I suspect the warrant itself was probably justified.

Yep, that's my take on it, too.

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>>According to the Department of Education's Office of the Inspector General, the case can't be discussed publicly until it is closed, but a spokesperson did confirm that the department did issue the search warrant at Wright's home.

Iago: That last part is what interests me. Did the DOE issue the warrant itself or did they go to the court system, make a case, and get the court to issue the warrant?

They got it from a court.
It was either a badly-worded statement by the spokesperson, or bad paraphrasing by the reporter of whatever the spokesperson said. The office of Inspector General is Federal LEO just like any other Federal LEO agency. They obtain search warrants the same way state and local police do: they request it from a judge (in this case, a federal judge) by means of a warrant application with sworn affidavit; and then the judge issues it.

(In case you're interested, here's the federal regulatory authority for the procedure: http://law.justia.com/cfr/title28/28-2.0.1.1.17.html )

[Andy9o8 2]

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Basically I suspect the warrant itself was probably justified.

warrant perhaps, but I'm struggling to see how financial crimes warrant a 6am wakeup raid, or a SWAT team. This was a total cock up, and they owe him a hell of a lot more than a new door.

It may or may not be a cock-up. Serving a search warrant is every bit as potentially dangerous as, say, serving an arrest warrant. Long story short, different exigencies, on a case-by-case basis, require different procedures (a) to maintain enough surprise and physical control over the immediate situation as to prevent disposal or destruction of evidence, and (b) to protect the officers' safety.

I'd be interested in hearing the opinions of some of our members who are present or past LEOs.

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It also shows that the detectives or other LEOs did not actually do their work and find out her whereabouts.


She most likely has a vehicle which has things like license plates, it would be a good idea to find that, it would most likely be driven by her at some point.

Also they have court records that may well show she no longer was living at the address, especially if there was a restraining order or an order of custody.

[Gravitymaster 0]

How quickly some are to believe the media.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110608/us_yblog_thelookout/education-department-says-it-doesnt-send-swat-teams-after-loan-defaulters

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But Education Department Press Secretary Justin Hamilton said in a statement to The Lookout that the department "does not execute search warrants for late loan payments." He said the Office of the Inspector General "conducts about 30-35 search warrants a year on issues such as bribery, fraud, and embezzlement of federal student aid funds." Hamilton said the department cannot comment on this particular case until the investigation is over, but did add that the claim the warrant was executed for late loan payment is untrue. The raid was related to a criminal investigation of Wright's wife.

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Six hours of holding the man and his kids is definitely wrong, unlawful detainment charges should be brought.

They going to go hold grandma at gunpoint next?

I am not anti Law Enforcment, I am anti Stupid actions of LEO's

[champu 1]

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They got it from a court. It was either a badly-worded statement by the spokesperson, or bad paraphrasing by the reporter of whatever the spokesperson said.

Yeah, sorry if it wasn't clear to anyone, my "In other news..." comment was making fun of the article. I think my posting record makes clear my opinion of the media and their apparent inability to report anything accurately.

[kelpdiver 2]

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It may or may not be a cock-up. Serving a search warrant is every bit as potentially dangerous as, say, serving an arrest warrant. Long story short, different exigencies, on a case-by-case basis, require different procedures (a) to maintain enough surprise and physical control over the immediate situation as to prevent disposal or destruction of evidence, and (b) to protect the officers' safety.

This (fear of evidence destruction) has been the justification for a lot of heavy handed raids, most notably on suspected child porn viewers based on dubious IP to address mappings. IMO, the concern doesn't warrant the methods and the high risk that they will cause violence and harm to people that are innocent, or at least innocent until proven guilty.

6am raids are basically no knock raids, hoping to catch people too sleepy to know what's going on.

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Six hours of holding the man and his kids is definitely wrong, unlawful detainment charges should be brought.

They going to go hold grandma at gunpoint next?

I am not anti Law Enforcment, I am anti Stupid actions of LEO's

Of course that's uncalled for but that's not really my point. The warrant was not issue because the wife had become delinquent in her student loan. It's very likely she had committed a felony related to a criminal fraud.

But, that wouldn't have sold the story as well as the newspaper (cough, cough) had actually done some research instead of running with what they thought was a hot story.

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Six hours of holding the man and his kids is definitely wrong, unlawful detainment charges should be brought.

They going to go hold grandma at gunpoint next?

I am not anti Law Enforcment, I am anti Stupid actions of LEO's

Hey when you have a perfectly functioning SWAT Team sitting around.. isn't it a shame not to use them for any and everything... they might get a little trigger time to justify their existence and need in future police state operations. You just can't ask for a better training scenario can you??

[mnealtx 0]

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They got it from a court.
It was either a badly-worded statement by the spokesperson, or bad paraphrasing by the reporter of whatever the spokesperson said. The office of Inspector General is Federal LEO just like any other Federal LEO agency. They obtain search warrants the same way state and local police do: they request it from a judge (in this case, a federal judge) by means of a warrant application with sworn affidavit; and then the judge issues it.

Ed.gov:

Specific functions of Investigation Services include the following:

•Executes search warrants and services subpoenas.

Guess that explains the shotgun purchase...

"The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14" LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts."

What the FUCK does the Dept. of Education need shotguns for???

Mike
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Six hours of holding the man and his kids is definitely wrong, unlawful detainment charges should be brought.

They going to go hold grandma at gunpoint next?

I am not anti Law Enforcment, I am anti Stupid actions of LEO's

Of course that's uncalled for but that's not really my point. The warrant was not issue because the wife had become delinquent in her student loan. It's very likely she had committed a felony related to a criminal fraud.

But, that wouldn't have sold the story as well as the newspaper (cough, cough) had actually done some research instead of running with what they thought was a hot story.

So, do we have any proof that was the reason for the SWAT callout vice a student loan default yet, or are we arguing ahead of evidence?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[mnealtx 0]

Found an alternate link, since the Stockton one is 404...

"Mr Wright was later told by Stockton police that the order to send in the SWAT team came from The U.S. Department of Education who were looking for his estranged wife to collect defaulted loan payments."

"The Department for Education refused to comment on the incident, saying they would not do so until the case was closed.

They did however confirm that their Office of the Inspector General had issued the search warrant.

The office has its own branch of federal agents that carry out search warrants and investigations."

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
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Six hours of holding the man and his kids is definitely wrong, unlawful detainment charges should be brought.

They going to go hold grandma at gunpoint next?

I am not anti Law Enforcment, I am anti Stupid actions of LEO's

Of course that's uncalled for but that's not really my point. The warrant was not issue because the wife had become delinquent in her student loan. It's very likely she had committed a felony related to a criminal fraud.

But, that wouldn't have sold the story as well as the newspaper (cough, cough) had actually done some research instead of running with what they thought was a hot story.

So, do we have any proof that was the reason for the SWAT callout vice a student loan default yet, or are we arguing ahead of evidence?

No, I saying that instead of the knee-jerk reactions to a sensationalized news story, that people might just want to consider there may be more to it. I seriously doubt the Dept. of Education would kick in someones door and hold the husband for 6 hours due to an unpaid student loan by his wife. Maybe just maybe there's a wee bit more to it.

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Six hours of holding the man and his kids is definitely wrong, unlawful detainment charges should be brought.

They going to go hold grandma at gunpoint next?

I am not anti Law Enforcment, I am anti Stupid actions of LEO's

Of course that's uncalled for but that's not really my point. The warrant was not issue because the wife had become delinquent in her student loan. It's very likely she had committed a felony related to a criminal fraud.

But, that wouldn't have sold the story as well as the newspaper (cough, cough) had actually done some research instead of running with what they thought was a hot story.

So, do we have any proof that was the reason for the SWAT callout vice a student loan default yet, or are we arguing ahead of evidence?

No, I saying that instead of the knee-jerk reactions to a sensationalized news story, that people might just want to consider there may be more to it. I seriously doubt the Dept. of Education would kick in someones door and hold the husband for 6 hours due to an unpaid student loan by his wife. Maybe just maybe there's a wee bit more to it.

So, no proof that there was anything but the unpaid student loan, just assumptions that there MUST have been since SWAT showed up. Sounds like arguing ahead of evidence to me.

If there was a 'wee bit more to it' as you claim, you'd THINK the warrant (and handling) whould have been from the Stockton PD instead of the DoE, nicht wahr?

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706