diablopilot 2 #26 June 8, 2011 QuoteSo basicly you are saying you are afraid you are incapable of living as a civilized human being with other human beings.... paying your bills and obeying the laws of the land... DUUUUDE that is taking that whole obeying only certain laws you agree with a tad far don't ya think??? Hmmm, sounds like the same sort of argument I'd use against mandatory heath insurance. BTW, you know you've really kinda gone off the deep end.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 June 8, 2011 Quote Quote They got it from a court. It was either a badly-worded statement by the spokesperson, or bad paraphrasing by the reporter of whatever the spokesperson said. The office of Inspector General is Federal LEO just like any other Federal LEO agency. They obtain search warrants the same way state and local police do: they request it from a judge (in this case, a federal judge) by means of a warrant application with sworn affidavit; and then the judge issues it. Ed.gov: Specific functions of Investigation Services include the following: •Executes search warrants and services subpoenas. Guess that explains the shotgun purchase... "The U.S. Department of Education (ED) intends to purchase twenty-seven (27) REMINGTON BRAND MODEL 870 POLICE 12/14P MOD GRWC XS4 KXCS SF. RAMAC #24587 GAUGE: 12 BARREL: 14" - PARKERIZED CHOKE: MODIFIED SIGHTS: GHOST RING REAR WILSON COMBAT; FRONT - XS CONTOUR BEAD SIGHT STOCK: KNOXX REDUCE RECOIL ADJUSTABLE STOCK FORE-END: SPEEDFEED SPORT-SOLID - 14" LOP are designated as the only shotguns authorized for ED based on compatibility with ED existing shotgun inventory, certified armor and combat training and protocol, maintenance, and parts." What the FUCK does the Dept. of Education need shotguns for??? OMG... you want to ban guns?????? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #28 June 8, 2011 Quote Quote So basicly you are saying you are afraid you are incapable of living as a civilized human being with other human beings.... paying your bills and obeying the laws of the land... DUUUUDE that is taking that whole obeying only certain laws you agree with a tad far don't ya think??? Hmmm, sounds like the same sort of argument I'd use against mandatory heath insurance. BTW, you know you've really kinda gone off the deep end. BTW you know I dont really give a fuck what you think in your shallow end????Edited to add smileys.. cause you is fun ni duuuuuude Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #29 June 8, 2011 QuoteIt's unusual for a father to have custody of the children following a divorce. When he does, there is usually a story behind it--would be interesting to know what that story is. Often it is because the mother is known to have been involved in criminal activity. "Often"? Maybe "Sometimes" Sometimes it's criminal activity Sometimes it's a mutual decision by the parents Sometimes the kids really don't want to live with their mom and the dad has adequate means to support them Sometimes it's because mom's a lesbian. Sometimes mom doesn't have much maternal instinct and doesn't really want the kids Sometimes it's mom's mental or physical health My ex got custody of my daughter when we divorced for one of the reasons listed above.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #30 June 8, 2011 What she said. While we had joint custody, our son went to live with his dad. He really needed his dad, and this was the best decision for him. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #31 June 8, 2011 QuoteWhat she said. While we had joint custody, our son went to live with his dad. He really needed his dad, and this was the best decision for him. That's great, Wendy. I'm sure it was hard to do. There really are parents like you out there who can work together after a divorce to make rational and mature decisions with their kids best interests in mind, even if they have personal differences.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #32 June 8, 2011 QuoteSometimes it's criminal activity Sometimes it's a mutual decision by the parents Sometimes the kids really don't want to live with their mom and the dad has adequate means to support them Sometimes it's because mom's a lesbian. Sometimes mom doesn't have much maternal instinct and doesn't really want the kids Sometimes it's mom's mental or physical health My post was solely addressing the context of the article--not your situation or wmw999's situation. In the context of the article, I would want to know why the father has custody, and why she hasn't taken care of her loans. A number of the scenarios you mention essentially involve a responsible mutual decision--and I'm not buying that in the context of this case. Responsible people take care of their loans, especially if they have kids."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #33 June 8, 2011 QuoteThere really are parents like you out there who can work together after a divorce to make rational and mature decisions with their kids best interests in mind, even if they have personal differences. Getting back to the original topic of this thread, though: defaulting on a student loan is definitely NOT a rational and mature decision made with the kids best interests in mind."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #34 June 9, 2011 QuoteGetting back to the original topic of this thread, though: defaulting on a student loan is definitely NOT a rational and mature decision made with the kids best interests in mind. Another attempt to condemn someone without knowing the facts. Why did she default? The article doesn't say. You assume she "decided" to default. Is she unemployed, physically or mentally ill, irresponsible? Did she take out the loans while they were married understanding that her husband would help her repay them? Who knows? The article also doesn't say they are divorced and that she didn't have custody of the kids, BTW For all we know, the kids live with her and were with this guy on a visit. Maybe he's a drug-crazed criminal who's been sucking the household funds dry for years and she's been unable to pay her loans and afraid to respond... Who the fuck knows based on what's written there. Why the efforts to criticize her without knowing?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #35 June 9, 2011 Quote Quote It may or may not be a cock-up. Serving a search warrant is every bit as potentially dangerous as, say, serving an arrest warrant. Long story short, different exigencies, on a case-by-case basis, require different procedures (a) to maintain enough surprise and physical control over the immediate situation as to prevent disposal or destruction of evidence, and (b) to protect the officers' safety. This (fear of evidence destruction) has been the justification for a lot of heavy handed raids, most notably on suspected child porn viewers based on dubious IP to address mappings. IMO, the concern doesn't warrant the methods and the high risk that they will cause violence and harm to people that are innocent, or at least innocent until proven guilty. 6am raids are basically no knock raids, hoping to catch people too sleepy to know what's going on. Good thing the man or kids didn't have something in their hands as they could have been deemed a threat. I can see getting a warrant for a financial crime, but SWAT seems completely unnecessary.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 June 9, 2011 Sounds like "wait until we have both sides of the story" from where I'm sitting. But, feel free to spin it in your head anyway that suits you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #37 June 9, 2011 QuoteSounds like "wait until we have both sides of the story" from where I'm sitting. But, feel free to spin it in your head anyway that suits you. Speaking of spinning, maybe you can explain to us just WHY door-kicking was needed in a fraud case - where they expecting to find the estranged wife upstairs, flushing loan papers and money down the commode?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wsd 0 #38 June 9, 2011 Quote What the FUCK does the Dept. of Education need shotguns for??? OMG... you want to ban guns??????Hey the Dept of Education is hardly in control of free speech let alone the second amendment. I do not rust them with either Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #39 June 9, 2011 QuoteAnother attempt to condemn someone without knowing the facts. I'm not forming a final opinion because we don't have all the facts. My initial impression of her, based on the facts we do have, is not positive. She defaulted on a loan that you and I, as taxpayers, now have to pay. If and when more information becomes available, I am happy to reconsider."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #40 June 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteSounds like "wait until we have both sides of the story" from where I'm sitting. But, feel free to spin it in your head anyway that suits you. Speaking of spinning, maybe you can explain to us just WHY door-kicking was needed in a fraud case - where they expecting to find the estranged wife upstairs, flushing loan papers and money down the commode? I don't know. Like I said, why don't you wait to hear the other side of the story? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #41 June 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSounds like "wait until we have both sides of the story" from where I'm sitting. But, feel free to spin it in your head anyway that suits you. Speaking of spinning, maybe you can explain to us just WHY door-kicking was needed in a fraud case - where they expecting to find the estranged wife upstairs, flushing loan papers and money down the commode? I don't know. Like I said, why don't you wait to hear the other side of the story? You *do* realize the door-kickers were Dept. of Ed and not the local PD, right? It's not like they were doing a raid on a suspected crack house.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Profman 0 #42 June 9, 2011 The Dept of Ed has shotguns. I'm sure they are needed Most large law enforcement agencies have a system in place for evaluating the need for SWAT. There are various factors they score and if the score is high enough, SWAT may be justified. SWAT usually has to be requested by the regular cops...and most SWAT teams do a careful (but imperfect) analysis of the area. That said, the Supreme Court recently found that exigent circumstances are sufficient for a warrantless search.....even if the police caused the exigent circumstances. The dangers of life are infinite, and among them is safety. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #43 June 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSounds like "wait until we have both sides of the story" from where I'm sitting. But, feel free to spin it in your head anyway that suits you. Speaking of spinning, maybe you can explain to us just WHY door-kicking was needed in a fraud case - where they expecting to find the estranged wife upstairs, flushing loan papers and money down the commode? I don't know. Like I said, why don't you wait to hear the other side of the story? You *do* realize the door-kickers were Dept. of Ed and not the local PD, right? It's not like they were doing a raid on a suspected crack house. From what we think we know so far, this stinks and I don't understand why the Dept. of Education would be conducting raids like this. Now, why don't we wait until we have more information? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #44 June 9, 2011 QuoteMy initial impression of her, based on the facts we do have, is not positive. Exactly what "facts" does the article give us? Next time the press reports a skydiving fatality was caused by a parachute failing to open are you going to put that in yor "fact" file too? Honestly, this woman might be a completely irresponsible jackass, but please explain the idea that we have "facts" to form opinions with?Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #45 June 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteMy initial impression of her, based on the facts we do have, is not positive. Exactly what "facts" does the article give us? Next time the press reports a skydiving fatality was caused by a parachute failing to open are you going to put that in yor "fact" file too? Honestly, this woman might be a completely irresponsible jackass, but please explain the idea that we have "facts" to form opinions with? +1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #46 June 9, 2011 QuoteFrom what we think we know so far, this stinks and I don't understand why the Dept. of Education would be conducting raids like this. Now, why don't we wait until we have more information? No, this isn't "what we think we know so far", thanks - Dept of Ed has confirmed it was their people. "U.S. Department of Education spokesman Justin Hamilton confirmed for News10 Wednesday morning federal agents with the Office of the Inspector General (OIG), not local S.W.A.T., served the search warrant." "OIG is a semi-independent branch of the education department that executes warrants for criminal offenses such as student aid fraud, embezzlement of federal aid and bribery, according to Hamilton." Student aid fraud? Ed.gov would have a copy of the contract. Embezzlement of federal aid? Again, Ed.gov is going to have a paper trail. Bribery? Paper trail from whomever the wife supposedly bribed. Still not seeing where ANY of the above is applicable to having SWAT break in the door to prevent destruction of the evidence. Fuck yes something stinks.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #47 June 9, 2011 QuoteFuck yes something stinks. I smell it too.Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SivaGanesha 2 #48 June 9, 2011 QuoteExactly what "facts" does the article give us? That she defaulted on her loans. I highly doubt they got that part wrong. QuoteNext time the press reports a skydiving fatality was caused by a parachute failing to open are you going to put that in yor "fact" file too? If the press reports a skydiving fatality, then it is highly likely that that person did, in fact, die skydiving--and not from the shock of dropping a bowling ball on their foot. It's when it comes to the details that the press usually messes up."It's hard to have fun at 4-way unless your whole team gets down to the ground safely to do it again!"--Northern California Skydiving League re USPA Safety Day, March 8, 2014 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #49 June 9, 2011 QuoteThat she defaulted on her loans. I highly doubt they got that part wrong. The article has been updated - it wasn't about a loan default, although the D of E doesn't say what it *was* for.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #50 June 9, 2011 Quote Quote What the FUCK does the Dept. of Education need shotguns for??? OMG... you want to ban guns?????? Hey the Dept of Education is hardly in control of free speech let alone the second amendment. I do not rust them with either You oilin them up there WSD??? Come visit Seattle... We do not tan here.. we RUST... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
