Jobs, Jobs, Jobs... WTF happened?

[funjumper101 15]

During the 2010 election cycle, the Republicans running were very good about following the script. Jobs, jobs, jobs, was supposed to be their main focus, should they happen to be elected to office.

Once they managed to fool people into voting them into office, they have focused on social issues such as growing government size and power via excessive regulation of a woman's right to make private medical decisions. They have done NOTHING to promote economic growth. They have worked long and hard to keep failed tax policy in place (the Bush tax cuts). They have failed to re-write Medicare part D to allow for cost reduction via negotiating drug prices. They have put the burden of "defecit reduction" onto the weakest among us, the poor and the elderly.

Their latest ideas are to privatize Medicare and Social Security, those evil socialist programs that are so popular among those they serve.

Why are the so called lovers of america and democracy standing by and letting the folks they voted into office do that to us?

[CanuckInUSA 0]

People are fooling themselves if they expect politicians to solve their career and financial problems for them. People need to realize that politicians will say anything and everything to gain power. Stop relying on politicians and their bloated unionized civil servants to get yourself through life. Start taking responsibility for your own future.

Try not to worry about the things you have no control over

[RonD1120 62]

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Why are the so called lovers of america and democracy standing by and letting the folks they voted into office do that to us?

What are you doing? What is your solution?

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[jgoose71 0]

WTF are you talking about?

The republicans only control the house. Democrats still control the White house and the Senate. They haven't been able to do anything to help jobs.

Nothing they want to do with health care has been passed. Grandma hasn't been pushed over the cliff yet.

And all the uncertainty Obama has put into the economy is still there. Companies are still shipping all the jobs overseas to escape all the unions and regulations, or they are sitting on the money so they don't have to pay for all the healthcare penalties that they will incur for new hires.

As for social security, it's still on course for going bankrupt and the deficit is still growing at a record rate.

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[Amazon 7]

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WTF are you talking about?

The republicans only control the house. Democrats still control the White house and the Senate. They haven't been able to do anything to help jobs.

Nothing they want to do with health care has been passed. Grandma hasn't been pushed over the cliff yet.

And all the uncertainty Obama has put into the economy is still there. Companies are still shipping all the jobs overseas to escape all the unions and regulations, or they are sitting on the money so they don't have to pay for all the healthcare penalties that they will incur for new hires.

As for social security, it's still on course for going bankrupt and the deficit is still growing at a record rate.

So basicallly... our economy is in the state its in because the RICH... those who have gotten the bulk of the benefits from the republican tax cuts and policies since 1981 do not need jobs.

And whats worse.. the stupid fuckers who are not rich in your party.. keep voting against their own best interests... over and over and over.. in hopes they get the trickle that the winners of all that policy keep promising... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[funjumper101 15]

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WTF are you talking about?

The republicans only control the house. Democrats still control the White house and the Senate. They haven't been able to do anything to help jobs.

Nothing they want to do with health care has been passed. Grandma hasn't been pushed over the cliff yet.

And all the uncertainty Obama has put into the economy is still there. Companies are still shipping all the jobs overseas to escape all the unions and regulations, or they are sitting on the money so they don't have to pay for all the healthcare penalties that they will incur for new hires.

As for social security, it's still on course for going bankrupt and the deficit is still growing at a record rate.

Why don't you do a bit of research on the filibuster. What is was, what it is supposed to be used for, and how the rules used to be. The rules change allows ONE senator to decide he isn't going to cooperate, and that stops any chance of a bill passing the senate, unless sixty votes can defeat the filibuster. Filibustering used to require that the senator that didn't want to let an "up or down" vote, as in majority rules, had to take the floor and speak of WHY they objected. They, and those that supported their efforts, had to KEEP TALKING, to sustain a filibuster. Once they stopped talking, the filibuster ended. That is how the process used to work. It was fair, and allowed those with objections have all the time needed to state their case and seek support for their position. If they couldn't get support, when the filibuster ended, the up or down vote occurred. 51 votes passed or defeated the bill, and off to conference committee it went. That is no longer the case. The Republicans have violated the system by forcing sixty votes for even the most minor procedures.

The republicans have grossly misused the filibuster in the Senate to block essentially ALL of the changes we, the people, voted for in 2008. The bills passed the House, but died in the Senate, due to the gross misuse and abuse of the filibuster. NOTHING got to an up or down vote, as in a majority rules. RWCs pitch a bitch when the "majority rules" is superceded by judicial decisions, yet remain silent when this gross abuse happens.

Due to the lack of understanding of basic civics, along with a media system that is owned and operated by and for the Republicans, for the most part, the average citizen does not understand the issues, or the outcome of voting for Republicans. The lack of progess was marketed by the media to be the Democtrat's fault, even though the facts are that it was the Republican misuse of the filibuster that is the real problem.

Social Security issues are easy to resolve. Remove the income cap completely, and there are no further issues at all with the system. Fair is fair. Most people pay SS taxes on 100% of their income. Those withhigh incomes pay les and less, the more they make. That is a regressive system that is unfair to the majority of taxpayers.

The deficit is growing at a rapid rate due to factors that are easy to explain.

1. The Iraq invasion and occupation, as well as the Afghanistan activities, were kept OFF BUDGET by the Bush Administration. Whe the Obama adminstration took control, these items went back on budget. That in and of itself, cause the deficit to skyrocket. In other words, The Obama adminstration is NOT lying to the citizens about the deficit.

2. The Bush tax cuts were a continuation of the failed Reganomics policies. Tax cuts to the rich do not produce jobs or business expansion in the USA. They make rich people richer amd do nothing for the rest of us. There are no reputable organizations that publish information to the contrary.

3. The gigantic giveaways to Big Pharma in the Medicare Part D bill, passed by nefarious methods, actually OUTLAWS negotiating bulk prices for Medicade drug purchases. The drug companies get fuill retail prices for their products, thanks to the Republicans that pushed this little gem through by cheating.

4. The Bush Tax Cuts were designed to EXPIRE. The republicans have fought tooth and nail to keep them in place. Their concern for the budget deficits does not extend to ending tax cuts that have been paid for by borrowing money from China. They insist that we keep borrowing money to pay for tax cuts. It doesn't make any sense, but that's what they are making happen.

5. The Bush recession and depression forced the government to do a lot of deficit spending to try to jumpstart the economy. These actions have made decent progess towards keeping the economy going, instead of cratering completely. Spending money to make money is one way to describe these policies. There are no reputable organizations that publish information that says these efforts have been a failure.

Note that REPUTABLE news sources are mentioned. Faux News, Drudge Report, and NewMax are NOT reputable sources.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Social Security issues are easy to resolve. Remove the income cap completely, and there are no further issues at all with the system. Fair is fair. Most people pay SS taxes on 100% of their income. Those withhigh incomes pay les and less, the more they make. That is a regressive system that is unfair to the majority of taxpayers.

Those people also get benefits on 100% of their income. Are you going to raise benefits with the removal of the cap too? Why keep pretending this isn't just another income tax, then?

Benefits are also quite progressive - those paying the current max are gettting far less back then the average SS recipient.

This pyramid scheme is a bit more complex than a problem that can be 'solved' by taxing some more.

[jgoose71 0]

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So basicallly... our economy is in the state its in because the RICH... those who have gotten the bulk of the benefits from the republican tax cuts and policies since 1981 do not need jobs.

And whats worse.. the stupid fuckers who are not rich in your party.. keep voting against their own best interests... over and over and over.. in hopes they get the trickle that the winners of all that policy keep promising... BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

So How many poor people have offered you jobs?

I really wish it was as simple as democrats v. republicans. the truth is neither party right now is doing anything to help. Both have their base they have to pander to and neither have ti in their interest to correct the problem.

The new demographic that you are going to see coming up in the near future that will hopefully put America on the right track is insiders v. outsiders. Those that want to keep the status quo and those that really want change.

To bad the left is to busy telling lies about the Tea Party instead of figuring out what they stand for to understand this basic truth.

If they closed their mouths and opened their mind, they may figure out that they have more in common than what they think. To bad MSNBC is a part of the establishment.

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[jgoose71 0]

Let me help you out with something. It doesn't matter how much of the income you try to tax from the rich, they will have a lobbyist put a rider in the bill to get them an exclusion. Then you and I will be stuck with the bill.

We still have troops in Iraq, and Obama surged Afghanistan and got us involved in Syria. Despite what you have heard on your news channels, government has grown also.

Democrats use filibusters as much as Republicans.

After Obama had his closed door secessions with the Pharmaceutical companies and HMO's, healthcare skyrocketed and is not slowing down. Hospitals have stopped taking Medicare because they are loosing money.

GE (the democratic poster child) Shipped over 20,000 jobs over seas, made over $14 billion in profits, and paid $0 in taxes. As a matter of fact they received government subsidies. Thats what happens then you are the CEO of a company and the president's job czar.

Since Jeffey Imelt also owns MSNBC, I wouldn't count them as a reliable news source also. They have been caught up in more lies than Fox news, news max, drudge report combined.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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We still have troops in Iraq, and Obama surged Afghanistan and got us involved in Syria.

Libya not Syria.

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[DrewEckhardt 0]

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Social Security issues are easy to resolve. Remove the income cap completely, and there are no further issues at all with the system. Fair is fair. Most people pay SS taxes on 100% of their income. Those withhigh incomes pay les and less, the more they make. That is a regressive system that is unfair to the majority of taxpayers.
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Social security benefits are extremely progressive.

It replaces 75% of pre-retirement income for low income single earner couples but only 30% of pre-retirement income up to the cap for higher income single earners.

[RonD1120 62]

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We still have troops in Iraq, and Obama surged Afghanistan and got us involved in Syria.

Libya not Syria.

And now add Yemen.

BTW, I agree with your earlier post regarding personal responsibility. Americans have become so spoiled and wussified they expect everything to be handed to them and all they have to do is manage it.

Since most of those under 40 consider Jon Stewart a news anchor they simply have not a freakkin' clue.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[lawrocket 3]

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They have done NOTHING to promote economic growth. They have worked long and hard to keep failed tax policy in place (the Bush tax cuts). They have failed to re-write Medicare part D to allow for cost reduction via negotiating drug prices. They have put the burden of "defecit reduction" onto the weakest among us, the poor and the elderly.

Their latest ideas are to privatize Medicare and Social Security, those evil socialist programs that are so popular among those they serve.

Of course, had the GOP made these changes then we would have full employment. We all know that whenever the GOP fails to do anything about Part D, unemployment rises past 8 percent. Furthermore, whenever the GOP proposes to do anything about Social Security and Medicare, unemployment also skyrockets.

The weak and the elderly are also unemployed because the Republicans have threatened to take their benefits. In fact, it is known that most of the elderly people receiving Medicare benefits and are presently unemployed were employed with good wages before Reagan. People who had jobs for fifty years before Reagan either ended up unemployed, on Medicare or SS, or dead. Think about how horrible it is! Gramps had a job under Carter and now is unemployed on Medicare.

Mind telling me exactly what the fuck any of your bitching has to do with job creation? Not a damned thing.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[lawrocket 3]

And, funjumper, exactly what have you done for job creation? Or are you yet another of the increasing masses of people who want somebody else to do it for you?

Sure, the Dems had a filibuster-proof Senate, the House and the PResidency but the failure to improve the job market is the GOP's fault because they filibustered a Senate that could invoke cloture. What was that health care financing thing? DId it have anythign to do with jobs?

And a final note - when one wants to balance the budget, it makes sense to go after the biggest drain. Did you see the USA Today article last week about unfunded liabilities? http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2011-06-06-us-owes-62-trillion-in-debt_n.htm

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They have put the burden of "defecit reduction" onto the weakest among us, the poor and the elderly.

The USA Today article stated:

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The $61.6 trillion in unfunded obligations amounts to $527,000 per household. That's more than five times what Americans have borrowed for everything else — mortgages, car loans and other debt

Go ahead and telll me about burdens. Take $527k from your family and give it to others. Or is it yet another example of, "Don't take $527k from me. Take $527 million from one out of every thousand people to pay for it."

It sucks that the enlightened good folks with their Great Society made these promises. The people who voted this stuff in are all out of office or dead - except for Dingell, Inouye and Conyers. They got to get the benefit and not face the consequences. The consequences are being borne by us. Obligations imposed to posterity. Hording the benefits and passing the costs along.

What did Madoff do? A Ponzi scheme. Those who got in early took the money and those who were down the line lost it all. Congress has decided that in order to see the benefits to pass the cost further down the line.

It's a stop now and face great pain or stop later and face great pain. You cannot even admit that it is not sustainable. Attacks on granny are wonderful posturing. It's also posturing to say, "Attacking the grandkids to be nice to nanna."

No. It's about hitting the brakes now. Think it's bad now, wait twenty years. Ask Greece how much fun it is.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[tkhayes 348]

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Since most of those over 40 consider Glenn Beck a news anchor they simply have not a freakkin' clue.

fixed that for ya

The jobs thing is called a recession and a depression. Government cannot 'fix it'. If John McCain was President, we would be ragged on his ass for all the same problems. Keep in mind that democrat and Republican means only slight variations left and right of center. For most aspects of the economy, they do not differ that much.

[sfzombie 3]

i read an article in esqure magazine a while back that referred to balancing the budget. it seems they took 6 guys(3 of each party with ties to government) and worked for three days with no lobbyists and no political pressure and had a plan to balance the budget within 2 years. they actually increased medicare benifits and if i remember correctly, decreased taxes for lower income tax brackets. it seems to me that if they can do that in three days, then someone needs to look at revamping the system we have in place. we as a nation have a responsibility, not just a right, to scrap this system if it's not working and institute a new one. period.

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[billvon 3,008]

>it seems they took 6 guys(3 of each party with ties to government) and
>worked for three days with no lobbyists and no political pressure and had a
>plan to balance the budget within 2 years.

Sure they could. Any reasonably competent accountant could.

Then you'd propose it and start trying to turn it into law, and the attacks would start.

"This budget changes veteran's benefits! WHY DO YOU HATE OUR PATRIOTIC HEROES?"

"This has no support for WIC! Why should I vote to starve women and infants?"

"This budget eliminates tax cuts for Wal-Mart. Stop the job-killing recession-causing slash-and-burn poverty plan, created by clueless Ivory Tower autocrats instead of your elected representatives!"

[sfzombie 3]

exactly my point. as i said, we need to scrap the system and start fresh with something that works. i noticed in this and some other posts people asking "what have you done to help", the answer is nothing unless you're a lobbyist with a lot of pull. we either need to get back to the system as it was originally intended or just sit here and take it. if i thought it were possible to overthrow the government, i'd volunteer for duty on the front line.

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[billvon 3,008]

>if i thought it were possible to overthrow the government, i'd volunteer for
>duty on the front line.

And you'd get a new boss, same as the old boss.

There are some emergent properties of governments that pretty much guarantee a return to the same problems we have now. It's not evil, it's not even planned - it's an inherent characteristic of any structure that gives electe people power over society in a capitalistic system.

A pure monarchy could avoid those problems. A meritocracy could help. But in such cases the cure is likely worse than the disease.

[RonD1120 62]

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Since most of those over 40 consider Glenn Beck a news anchor they simply have not a freakkin' clue.

fixed that for ya

The jobs thing is called a recession and a depression. Government cannot 'fix it'. If John McCain was President, we would be ragged on his ass for all the same problems. Keep in mind that democrat and Republican means only slight variations left and right of center. For most aspects of the economy, they do not differ that much.

I do not know anyone that considers Glenn Beck a news anchor. I think of him as a sociological, constitutional pundit pushing close to being a preacher.

Regarding the second part of your reply, I agree. However, I was speaking about spoiled and wussified Americans, not political parties.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[tkhayes 348]

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I do not know anyone that considers Glenn Beck a news anchor. I think of him as a sociological, constitutional pundit pushing close to being a preacher.

Regarding the second part of your reply, I agree. However, I was speaking about spoiled and wussified Americans, not political parties.

i don't know anyone who thinks Jon Stewart is a news anchor either.....

yes, people are wusses. Legislation will not change that. When there is enough poor, uneducated, hungry wusses around, they will eventually rise up and take all your shit. So may as well give them an education and something to do....uh-oh, socialist me mouthing off again.....

[loumeinhart 0]

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we need to scrap the system and start fresh with something that works

well.... the system works great for people who sue doctors, don't work, can't save money, and reproduce beyond their means.

[billvon 3,008]

>well.... the system works great for people who sue doctors, don't work,
>can't save money, and reproduce beyond their means.

Also currently working great for people who make over a million a year.

[jgoose71 0]

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>well.... the system works great for people who sue doctors, don't work,
>can't save money, and reproduce beyond their means.

Also currently working great for people who make over a million a year.

Not necessarily true. If you make more than a million a year, it will all get taxed out of you unless you have access to a lobbyist to get you a special break. Lobbyists are probably outside of a millionaire's or most small business owners reach.

You got to be a Jeffrey Imelt.

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[loumeinhart 0]

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Also currently working great for people who make over a million a year.

Uh yea. It's a million bucks a year dude. Where is it BAD to make a million/yr?