mnealtx 0 #101 June 18, 2011 Quote Seems to be a game you play. Sort of like you coming into a thread to jab certain people for spelling/grammar mistakes, or allude that someone is fearful for owning more/different weapons than you do? "Alles in ordnung!!" Quote Have fun, dear. Indeed.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #102 June 18, 2011 was an application, not a history lesson-why aren't you out trident hunting? But you're really cute when you hang on a factoid because the point of the post puts your nuts in the dirt. Do you really feel that a nation is hampered by having a common language?You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #103 June 18, 2011 Quote Quote Seems to be a game you play. Sort of like you coming into a thread to jab certain people for spelling/grammar mistakes, or allude that someone is fearful for owning more/different weapons than you do? "Alles in ordnung!!" Quote Have fun, dear. Indeed. Indeed: What? What do you want? What are you complaining about? "Alles in Ordnung": What do you mean? Express yourself, Mikey. I do not understand you. And that's not a linguistic issue. dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #104 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuote"Out of many, one" Too many candy ass liberal pussies focus on protecting the concept of 'many' when common sense dictates that the becoming 'one' is where the strength of the the nation is derived. So yes, after that much time, it is a very legitimate question. Too many revisionist history right wingers twist the intent of our founding fathers in pathetic attempts to make some sort of point, when in fact they appear not to have a clue what they're talking about. "E Pluribus Unum" was included on the Great Seal of the United States in reference to the states forming one country. Looks like it's a mix of both, given the history behind the development of the Seal: "E pluribus unum was suggested by the committee Congress appointed on July 4, 1776 to design "a seal for the United States of America." The below sketch of their design accompanied a detailed description of their idea for the new nation's official emblem. A motto's purpose is to express the theme of a seal's imagery – especially that of the shield. The center section of their shield has six symbols for "the Countries from which these States have been peopled:" the rose (England), thistle (Scotland), harp (Ireland), fleur-de-lis (France), lion (Holland), and an imperial two-headed eagle (Germany). "Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #105 June 18, 2011 That could be taken as a 'dig' on Americans living in the Southern U.S. If, you listen closely to someone from the South speaking, you can hear a bit of Scot, Irish accent. That's due to the fact Scot, Irish is their heritage. In some our Northern, mid-western states, there is bit of a Swedish accent and so-on. If, one 'tunes' their ear, folks with an accent aren't so hard to understand. It's called 'listening! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #106 June 18, 2011 Quotewas an application, not a history lesson In other words, you're flat out wrong on your history and aren't willing to admit it even when presented with proof. Ok, I understand. QuoteDo you really feel that a nation is hampered by having a common language? Your question makes an assumption not based in fact. I never said a common language would "hamper" the country. The fact is though that the country doesn't have an official language and there is no law requiring testimony in the US to be given in English. I believe it would be helpful if the entire world spoke the same language. Sadly for the people making the case that the majority language be the one adopted, it would mean we'd all have to learn Chinese. Source; http://www.davidpbrown.co.uk/help/top-100-languages-by-population.html Since there is no requirement, we will all continue to speak in whatever language we choose.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #107 June 18, 2011 Quote Indeed: What? What do you want? What are you complaining about? You talking about people playing games, when YOU play the game of coming into a thread specifically to pick at someone's spelling or grammar. Quote "Alles in Ordnung": What do you mean? Thanks for proving the point yet again. Quote Express yourself, Mikey. I do not understand you. And that's not a linguistic issue. It's the concept of "Alles in Ordnung" as a Germanic meme. Everything must be in order, by regulation and at the correct time.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #108 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuotewas an application, not a history lesson In other words, you're flat out wrong on your history and aren't willing to admit it even when presented with proof. Speaking of history, you may want to read post 105 before you get your foot any deeper. Additionally, research "The Great Melting Pot". QuoteOk, I understand. So do we - you wanted to get a cheap shot in and thought you had a pat hand to do it with. QuoteSince there is no requirement, we will all continue to speak in whatever language we choose. Then the courts can conduct business in the language they choose - English.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #109 June 18, 2011 QuoteAdditionally, research "The Great Melting Pot". You may wish to do likewise. In particular, you might care to look up a guy by the name of Zangwill. (Damn liberals.)quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #110 June 18, 2011 Quote Since there is no requirement, we will all continue to speak in whatever language we choose. Fine. And if a legal immigrant still wishes to speak in their native language and use an interpreter after 20+ years on the topic of immigration in a government meeting, that can be questioned as well as severely compromise their argument. Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #111 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteAdditionally, research "The Great Melting Pot". You may wish to do likewise. In particular, you might care to look up a guy by the name of Zangwill. (Damn liberals.) You mean the guy that wrote this? "Understand that America is God's Crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of Europe are melting and re-forming! Here you stand, good folk, think I, when I see them at Ellis Island, here you stand in your fifty groups, your fifty languages, and histories, and your fifty blood hatreds and rivalries. But you won't be long like that, brothers, for these are the fires of God you've come to – these are fires of God. A fig for your feuds and vendettas! Germans and Frenchmen, Irishmen and Englishmen, Jews and Russians—into the Crucible with you all! God is making the American."[3] Looks like your guy isn't in favor of hyphenated-Americans, Paul.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
futuredivot 0 #112 June 18, 2011 Quote In other words, you're flat out wrong on your history and aren't willing to admit it even when presented with proof. Not so much, but nobody pays me to teach you what you should already know QuoteOk, I understand. Obviously not QuoteI never said a common language would "hamper" the country. Yet you attack those who promote a common language QuoteThe fact is though that the country doesn't have an official language But English is the de facto language of the US. Columbia doesn't have an official language either but before I go, I brush up on my Spanish and pay someone fluent to help me through the rough spots because I'm not so ego/culturally centric and to expect them to cater to me. Quote Since there is no requirement, we will all continue to speak in whatever language we choose. Cool, but don't expect the rest of the nation to make concessions for you.You are only as strong as the prey you devour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #113 June 18, 2011 Quote Quote Since there is no requirement, we will all continue to speak in whatever language we choose. Fine. And if a legal immigrant still wishes to speak in their native language and use an interpreter after 20+ years on the topic of immigration in a government meeting, that can be questioned as well as severely compromise their argument. Also, how reliable is the interpreter? Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diverborg 0 #114 June 18, 2011 QuoteThat could be taken as a 'dig' on Americans living in the Southern U.S. If, you listen closely to someone from the South speaking, you can hear a bit of Scot, Irish accent. That's due to the fact Scot, Irish is their heritage. In some our Northern, mid-western states, there is bit of a Swedish accent and so-on. If, one 'tunes' their ear, folks with an accent aren't so hard to understand. It's called 'listening! Chuck It was meant to be a joke "for the most part". I live in Mississippi, and its not the folks with the accents that I can't understand. Nothing wrong with pronouncing stuff differently, but in some of the very "urban" and also very "rural" extremes, there are dialects down here that are virtually impossible to understand, and it goes beyond accents. It has almost evolved into a language of its own for that locality. I'm also an avid kayaker, and I run into some serious backwoods rednecks on some of these rivers that I just have to nod and smile when they try to talk to me, and its not just their accent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #115 June 18, 2011 Quote Quote That could be taken as a 'dig' on Americans living in the Southern U.S. If, you listen closely to someone from the South speaking, you can hear a bit of Scot, Irish accent. That's due to the fact Scot, Irish is their heritage. In some our Northern, mid-western states, there is bit of a Swedish accent and so-on. If, one 'tunes' their ear, folks with an accent aren't so hard to understand. It's called 'listening! Chuck It was meant to be a joke "for the most part". I live in Mississippi, and its not the folks with the accents that I can't understand. Nothing wrong with pronouncing stuff differently, but in some of the very "urban" and also very "rural" extremes, there are dialects down here that are virtually impossible to understand, and it goes beyond accents. It has almost evolved into a language of its own for that locality. I'm also an avid kayaker, and I run into some serious backwoods rednecks on some of these rivers that I just have to nod and smile when they try to talk to me, and its not just their accent. Sorry, I missed the humor in your post. I understand what you're saying. Some of it is like ebonics or something. With some of those backwoods boys, you don't know what they might do. You do, get into some strange territory! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #116 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAdditionally, research "The Great Melting Pot". You may wish to do likewise. In particular, you might care to look up a guy by the name of Zangwill. (Damn liberals.) You mean the guy that wrote this? "Understand that America is God's Crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of Europe are melting and re-forming! Here you stand, good folk, think I, when I see them at Ellis Island, here you stand in your fifty groups, your fifty languages, and histories, and your fifty blood hatreds and rivalries. But you won't be long like that, brothers, for these are the fires of God you've come to – these are fires of God. A fig for your feuds and vendettas! Germans and Frenchmen, Irishmen and Englishmen, Jews and Russians—into the Crucible with you all! God is making the American."[3] Looks like your guy isn't in favor of hyphenated-Americans, Paul. Point being, the term didn't really come into use at all until he wrote the play in or around 1905. (Damn left wing liberal media!) Certainly not a view point considered all that important by the founding fathers, but rather by the immigrants actively looking to be accepted at that time. Here's my issue . . . not everyone wants to melt nor is there any requirement for them to do so. The other cautionary part you all seem to be missing is what happens when the number of Spanish speakers outnumber the number of English speakers in the US? Are you absolutely certain you want to continue down the road of the majority always being right?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #117 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAdditionally, research "The Great Melting Pot". You may wish to do likewise. In particular, you might care to look up a guy by the name of Zangwill. (Damn liberals.) You mean the guy that wrote this? "Understand that America is God's Crucible, the great Melting-Pot where all the races of Europe are melting and re-forming! Here you stand, good folk, think I, when I see them at Ellis Island, here you stand in your fifty groups, your fifty languages, and histories, and your fifty blood hatreds and rivalries. But you won't be long like that, brothers, for these are the fires of God you've come to – these are fires of God. A fig for your feuds and vendettas! Germans and Frenchmen, Irishmen and Englishmen, Jews and Russians—into the Crucible with you all! God is making the American."[3] Looks like your guy isn't in favor of hyphenated-Americans, Paul. Point being, the term didn't really come into use at all until he wrote the play in or around 1905. (Damn left wing liberal media!) Certainly not a view point considered all that important by the founding fathers, but rather by the immigrants actively looking to be accepted at that time. The phrase? No. The concept, yes - as shown by the reference to the history of the great seal: "The center section of their shield has six symbols for "the Countries from which these States have been peopled:" the rose (England), thistle (Scotland), harp (Ireland), fleur-de-lis (France), lion (Holland), and an imperial two-headed eagle (Germany). " QuoteHere's my issue . . . not everyone wants to melt nor is there any requirement for them to do so. No sweat. In that case, there's also no requirement for anyone to bend over backwards to accomodate them and they shouldn't be bitching when things aren't just like the place they left to come here. Can't have it both ways.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #118 June 18, 2011 QuoteThe phrase? No. The concept, yes - as shown by the reference to the history of the great seal: "The center section of their shield has six symbols for "the Countries from which these States have been peopled:" the rose (England), thistle (Scotland), harp (Ireland), fleur-de-lis (France), lion (Holland), and an imperial two-headed eagle (Germany). " In other words . . . White Northern Europeans. Ok, I understand. You think it should exclude "brown" people? QuoteIn that case, there's also no requirement for anyone to bend over backwards to accomodate them . . . The only person complaining was the Senator and it made him look racist during a trial about immigration. Whether or not he actually IS racist isn't even the question. The question is his demonstrated lack of wisdom acting as he did. It certainly makes him look biased.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #119 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe phrase? No. The concept, yes - as shown by the reference to the history of the great seal: "The center section of their shield has six symbols for "the Countries from which these States have been peopled:" the rose (England), thistle (Scotland), harp (Ireland), fleur-de-lis (France), lion (Holland), and an imperial two-headed eagle (Germany). " In other words . . . White Northern Europeans. Ok, I understand. You think it should exclude "brown" people? QuoteIn that case, there's also no requirement for anyone to bend over backwards to accomodate them . . . The only person complaining was the Senator and it made him look racist during a trial about immigration. Whether or not he actually IS racist isn't even the question. The question is his demonstrated lack of wisdom acting as he did. It certainly makes him look biased.Loosing the debate so throw the race card WAFJ atta boy quade nothing less coming from you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #120 June 18, 2011 QuoteIn other words . . . White Northern Europeans. Ok, I understand. QED, you don't. QuoteYou think it should exclude "brown" people? Gee, I was *wondering* when you were going to play the 'you're a racist' game again - what took you so long, Mr. Moderator?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #121 June 18, 2011 QuoteLoosing the debate so throw the race card This entire episode is a veiled racist issue and it starts with the Senator's remarks. If you can't see that, then there is no hope or point in discussing it with you.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #122 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteLoosing the debate so throw the race card This entire episode is a veiled racist issue and it starts with the Senator's remarks. If you can't see that, then there is no hope or point in discussing it with you. Been using Kallend's telepathy machine again?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #123 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteLoosing the debate so throw the race card This entire episode is a veiled racist issue and it starts with the Senator's remarks. If you can't see that, then there is no hope or point in discussing it with you. Been using Kallend's telepathy machine again? Are you seriously suggesting the question doesn't carry racist overtones?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #124 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLoosing the debate so throw the race card This entire episode is a veiled racist issue and it starts with the Senator's remarks. If you can't see that, then there is no hope or point in discussing it with you. Been using Kallend's telepathy machine again? Are you seriously suggesting the question doesn't carry racist overtones? You've already made up your mind that it was racist and you're already alluding that anyone who disagrees with you is racist - why should you care about my opinion at this point? Maybe you should quit ACTIVELY looking to be offended, your blood pressure might benefit nearly as much as your online dignity.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #125 June 18, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteLoosing the debate so throw the race card This entire episode is a veiled racist issue and it starts with the Senator's remarks. If you can't see that, then there is no hope or point in discussing it with you. Been using Kallend's telepathy machine again? Are you seriously suggesting the question doesn't carry racist overtones? You've already made up your mind that it was racist and you're already alluding that anyone who disagrees with you is racist - why should you care about my opinion at this point? I believe you were talking about telepathy? Irony score +10.quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
