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S are you saying its the act of buggery thats the problem but the state of being homosexual is acceptable to God otherwise?
The concept is maturation and self control.
Not exactly, I was referring to the fact that humans control their sex lives. We choose where, when and with whom we have sex. Sex is not mandatory. People can live without it. Therefore, learn personal responsibility and stop behaving like an out of control adolescent. (Not you specifically, a generality.)
I heartily disagree. In the first place, you're confusing any act of homosexual activity with promiscuity. They're two different things. People fucking like heterosexual rabbits at a boogie are behaving like out of control adolescents. But gay people having gay sex no more frequently, and with no more partners, than the average heterosexual at the same stage of life are no more "out of control" or "adolescent" than any other person.
Secondly, sex is a powerful need, and it is very difficult for people to live without it (at least until marriage beats them down, but that's another topic...). No, it's not as mandatory as eating, but it's very important to a person's psychological well-being. Catholic and Buddhist priests, monks and nuns, for example, are generally not born into those vocations, they willfully choose them.
However, anyone who thinks gay people willfully choose to adopt a condition that will subject them to a life of social scorn and persecution is a fool. They are born into their sexuality just as you were born into yours. What you are doing is essentially condemning gay people to either (a) a lifetime of involuntary celibacy, or (b) forcing themselves to have sex with a gender to which they are not attracted.
Both of which are utter nonsense, especially since they would be comporting themselves that way essentially for no other reason than because the idea of gay sex grosses some other people out. And just because some of those people set their personal biases down in writings which eventually became the Bible does not immunize that from being seen as the nonsense it is.
I have accepted the fact that you and I will never agree on this subject.
You, at least, have the opportunity to defend your belief with your clients in the court room.
I, on the other hand, can only voice my opinion in this silly forum.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
jaybird18c 24
QuoteWhat does being gay have to do with dinosaurs?
I have no idea. Maybe you should ask southern man.
Amazon 7
QuoteWhat does being gay have to do with dinosaurs?
They all decided to become gay... and all their species died out because they were no longer procreating... silly boy..
jaybird18c 24
Quote>That is asinine and not the view of "most" creationists.
This coming from the guy who claimed atheists think that "everything in existence came from nothing (on its own), blew up, and organized itself?"
What's your alternative except refusing to make a determination or just saying somehow it always existed.
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And would you call that a good thing? Doubtful. Which is more or less my point.QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteFrom a purely academic side, nature does all sorts of things we find to be abhorrent, wrong, etc.
Who is this "we" you refer to?
That which happens in nature, happens in nature. I may not like the outcome, but I can certainly acknowledge that genetic mutations occur, winds blow down houses, floods kill animals, fire burn, and animal kill each other. I don't find any of those things "wrong" or "abhorrent". They are simply nature.
Well, I won't speak for you, specifically, but most people would have a problem with a mother eating her children, or group of neighbors banding together and slaughtering their rivals across the street, and then offer a defense of, "It's okay! It happens in nature!"
That is all I was saying.
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You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions.
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>What's your alternative except refusing to make a determination or just saying
>somehow it always existed.
Our best theory is the brane-contact theory, otherwise known as the ekpyrotic theory. Two multidimensional branes (sets of dimensions that exist in a higher-dimensional space) contacted each other. This caused a significant quantum fluctuation in both branes. The fluctuation expanded into a singularity, giving rise to time and space. As the singularity expanded first energy then matter condensed out, and what we know of as the universe began.
>somehow it always existed.
Our best theory is the brane-contact theory, otherwise known as the ekpyrotic theory. Two multidimensional branes (sets of dimensions that exist in a higher-dimensional space) contacted each other. This caused a significant quantum fluctuation in both branes. The fluctuation expanded into a singularity, giving rise to time and space. As the singularity expanded first energy then matter condensed out, and what we know of as the universe began.
labrys 0
QuoteI'm talking anout homosexuality, not what shirt you wear or what car you drive.
And I'm a homosexual. And I've described a few things about my "lifestyle" to you so that you can fill me in on which one of my "lifestyle" choices you disagree with.
One more time. What am I doing that you disagree with?
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jaybird18c 24
Quote>What's your alternative except refusing to make a determination or just saying
>somehow it always existed.
Our best theory is the brane-contact theory, otherwise known as the ekpyrotic theory. Two multidimensional branes (sets of dimensions that exist in a higher-dimensional space) contacted each other. This caused a significant quantum fluctuation in both branes. The fluctuation expanded into a singularity, giving rise to time and space. As the singularity expanded first energy then matter condensed out, and what we know of as the universe began.
QuoteA Really Long Fuse Before the Big Bang
by D. Russell Humphreys, Ph.D.
“Once upon a time, say a dozen or so billion years ago, space and matter came into existence out of nothing and expanded a million trillion trillion-fold. And that’s how we got what exists today.” So the story-tellers—I mean evolutionist cosmologists—once told us. They like spinning tales to us, who like children in a nursery, are always eager to hear something new. But the old story above, called The Standard Big Bang Theory, prompted some of the more skeptical children to ask embarrassing questions, like: “What happened before the big bang?” and “How could the initial matter be so precisely evenly-spread throughout space at the beginning?” The usual story-teller response was something like, “Ask me something more meaningful, like, ‘What’s north of the North Pole?’”
Now a new story-teller, to his credit, has tried to answer the children’s questions more seriously. He tells us something like this: “Well, you see, the universe really didn’t come into existence a mere few billion years ago. It actually started a long time ago! It was a very dull universe for an infinitely long time. Then—all of a sudden—only a dozen or so billion years ago, it decided to get some sparkle into its dreary life and explode. But it had all that infinity of years beforehand to get ready and distribute matter very smoothly throughout itself before it went boom. You see, now I’ve attached a really, really long fuse to the big bang firecracker.”
“Marvelous!” say the children—“How do you know all this?”
“Ah,” says the story-teller, “I just reached into my bucket of zeroes—we cosmologists use them like a carpenter uses nails—and just tacked together some popular stories, er, theories, like ‘inflationary cosmology’ and ‘string theory.’”
“We get it,” say the children, “Your fuse is a string! But isn’t string theory just a nursery story, too? What actual data does it predict or explain?”
“Uh, well,” says the story-teller, “string theory actually hasn’t connected with any data yet. It’s very complicated. But we’re getting there. Just wait.”
“How long should we wait?” asks one of the children, “As long as it took your fuse to finish burning? Infinity years?” “And besides,” asks another, “what was there before your fuse came into existence?” But the story-teller has left the nursery, seeking more gullible children.
jaybird18c 24
QuoteOne more time. What am I doing that you disagree with?
Homosexual behavior. But then again, you're free do do whatever you want to. I'm just also free to disagree with it.
labrys 0
Quote>What's your alternative except refusing to make a determination or just saying
>somehow it always existed.
Our best theory is the brane-contact theory, otherwise known as the ekpyrotic theory. Two multidimensional branes (sets of dimensions that exist in a higher-dimensional space) contacted each other. This caused a significant quantum fluctuation in both branes. The fluctuation expanded into a singularity, giving rise to time and space. As the singularity expanded first energy then matter condensed out, and what we know of as the universe began.
I don't have any problem with the possibility that energy has always existed. How's that any more or less likely that some creator has always existed?
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david3 0
QuoteQuoteOne more time. What am I doing that you disagree with?
Homosexual behavior. But then again, you're free do do whatever you want to. I'm just also free to disagree with it.
Is being attracted to the same sex okay with you as long as it is not acted upon?
QuoteQuoteWhat does being gay have to do with dinosaurs?
They all decided to become gay... and all their species died out because they were no longer procreating... silly boy..
labrys 0
QuoteHomosexual behavior.
WTF is homosexual behavior? Is it the way I walk?
So I must ask again. You've simply changed your statement that you disagree with the homosexual lifestyle and replaced the word lifestyle with behavior.
Is there a specific homosexual "behavior" that you can identify as disagreeable? I'm all ears.
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jaybird18c 24
QuoteIs being attracted to the same sex okay with you as long as it is not acted upon?
Granted, my situation is not as difficult as yours because I'm at least only attracted to women, however, here is a comparison. It is in my nature to be an adulterer, not faithful to my wife, and to spread my genes to as many women as possible throughout the course of my life. I see an attractive girl, and like everyone else, inappropriate thoughts are sometimes provoked. However, there is a matter of restraint which I have the ability to do. The thoughts are wrong, I know that, so I make effort to not feed those lustful desires. I make every attemp to direct those thoughts towards my wife. I also do not put myself in compromising situations because I know my tendency. I do not act on my impulse physically and choose to remain monogamous...because it's the right thing to do. I've been married for 16 years and only once. Whether one is born with a predisposition or learned it, it doesn't matter. It still boils down to a decision to act and petsonal responsibility for those decisions before God ultimately.
david3 0
QuoteQuoteIs being attracted to the same sex okay with you as long as it is not acted upon?
Granted, my situation is not as difficult as yours because I'm at least only attracted to women, however, here is a comparison. It is in my nature to be an adulterer, not faithful to my wife, and to spread my genes to as many women as possible throughout the course of my life. I see an attractive girl, and like everyone else, inappropriate thoughts are sometimes provoked. However, there is a matter of restraint which I have the ability to do. The thoughts are wrong, I know that, so I make effort to not feed those lustful desires. I make every attemp to direct those thoughts towards my wife. I also do not put myself in compromising situations because I know my tendency. I do not act on my impulse physically and choose to remain monogamous...because it's the right thing to do. I've been married for 16 years and only once. Whether one is born with a predisposition or learned it, it doesn't matter. It still boils down to a decision to act and petsonal responsibility for those decisions before God ultimately.
What you are asking of a homosexual is to not love. The same as if someone asked you to not love your wife. That is the comparison, not about adultery.
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What you are asking of a homosexual is to not love. The same as if someone asked you to not love your wife. That is the comparison, not about adultery.
If sex is not between a married man and his wife it is either fornication or adultery.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
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What you are asking of a homosexual is to not love. The same as if someone asked you to not love your wife. That is the comparison, not about adultery.
If sex is not between a married man and his wife it is either fornication or adultery.
Since you're obviously not reading my replies, I'll say it again. I'm talking anout homosexuality, not what shirt you wear or what car you drive. You don't have a constitutional right not to be offended. I disagree with you and you disagree with me. That's ok. Anyway, it wasn't personal. I didn't direct anything at you.
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