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Coreece 190
QuoteYou really, really, dammit, really.......?
....think that the cast of Glee is plotting murder and general mayhem while you aren't looking?
That's not typically how I would interpret that passage, no....
Should I be concerned?
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Greatest of ease and joy? What would be the meaning behind "Footprints in the sand", then?
God is always at hand, the footprints are the times He is there walking along with the person suffering, waiting for them to wake up and cast their burdens on to Him and observe how He can solve problems. It is our choice to suffer or to experience the joy God has in store for us.
If you're suffering so badly that God has to carry you, it certainly doesn't sound like a life of 'greatest ease and joy'.
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From your post I still see no difference in God's way of thinking, a disturbing way of thinking.
So God created man to have free will to fulfil his own narcissistic desires to have people worship him out of choice. And he is willing to have those that don't follow his cryptic 'evidence' of existence sent to hell for eternal suffering, merely so that he has the ability to get what he wants.
I don't know about you, but if I love something I try to keep it from an eternity of pain and suffering, regardless of the decisions they make - nevermind a decision that's based on faith, a weak concept that is right next to being gullible.
Surely if God cared about these people he'd stop being so cryptic. So-called miracles wouldn't most of the time be able to be explained by other means. It seems fun to him to hide back and hope that people have faith on their own, oh you know, what's a few billion souls suffering when you get to be truly worshipped in return.
All in all, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the bible's teachings are anything to go by - God is a narcissist and sadist who claims to care, while his actions say something completely different. And one can reply with "oh but God did this for me, God did that for me, God helped me in life", all of that is meaningless compared to the eternity of suffering he lets occur simply to have his 'relationship' with his followers.
The freedom of choice is hardly a good thing. Choose me or burn in hell? - It's like an abusive husband saying "Do exactly what I tell you and I won't beat you... but if you try leave me or disobey me, I'll hurt you".
And I ain't even mad. This is just the way God appears when one isn't deluded into thinking he is some special, caring, loving God.
So God created man to have free will to fulfil his own narcissistic desires to have people worship him out of choice. And he is willing to have those that don't follow his cryptic 'evidence' of existence sent to hell for eternal suffering, merely so that he has the ability to get what he wants.
I don't know about you, but if I love something I try to keep it from an eternity of pain and suffering, regardless of the decisions they make - nevermind a decision that's based on faith, a weak concept that is right next to being gullible.
Surely if God cared about these people he'd stop being so cryptic. So-called miracles wouldn't most of the time be able to be explained by other means. It seems fun to him to hide back and hope that people have faith on their own, oh you know, what's a few billion souls suffering when you get to be truly worshipped in return.
All in all, I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the bible's teachings are anything to go by - God is a narcissist and sadist who claims to care, while his actions say something completely different. And one can reply with "oh but God did this for me, God did that for me, God helped me in life", all of that is meaningless compared to the eternity of suffering he lets occur simply to have his 'relationship' with his followers.
The freedom of choice is hardly a good thing. Choose me or burn in hell? - It's like an abusive husband saying "Do exactly what I tell you and I won't beat you... but if you try leave me or disobey me, I'll hurt you".
And I ain't even mad. This is just the way God appears when one isn't deluded into thinking he is some special, caring, loving God.
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The freedom of choice is hardly a good thing. Choose me or burn in hell? - It's like an abusive husband saying "Do exactly what I tell you and I won't beat you... but if you try leave me or disobey me, I'll hurt you".
And I ain't even mad. This is just the way God appears when one isn't deluded into thinking he is some special, caring, loving God.
And I ain't even mad. This is just the way God appears when one isn't deluded into thinking he is some special, caring, loving God.
Good description of life with out God. Why would He need to beat us? We seem to do an excellent job on our own with out His help. God's way is a life of liberty, "Know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free." Man's way is religion and is terribly oppressive.
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beowulf 1
I am doing just fine with out god. I don't have any major hardships like some people. I don't see any advantage to believing in your god.
Coreece 190
QuoteI don't know about you, but if I love something I try to keep it from an eternity of pain and suffering
"Something?"
Do you understand what it means to love a child?
Would you be over protective and keep them locked up in the house all their life to keep them from the pain and suffering caused by the world? Would you keep them locked up so they are unable to inflict pain and sufferring on someone else and to keep them from the pain and suffering of the consequences?
Quoteregardless of the decisions they make
How can you allow them to make decesions if you are to keep them from pain and suffering of the consequences of bad decisions? How are they to experience the joy and success of a good decision if you are trying to spare them from the bad?
I don't know about you, but I want to be free...not chained up like a dog that might get hit by a car or kill someone because he really doesn't know right from wrong...
Personally, I find your prespective to be rather negative...It's the same thing you seem to repeat over and over again with little variation.
Just a quick question...You don't seem like a typical atheist. Would it be an accurate assessment to say that you are a Satanist?
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pajarito 0
QuoteI am doing just fine with out god. I don't have any major hardships like some people. I don't see any advantage to believing in your god.
Lots of people are "doing fine" in this life without God. The Gospel message is not primarily about life enhancement. It's about righteousness. You may in fact be enjoying life to the fullest but you are not in a right standing with God. You can suppress that truth now but, in the end, you will have to face it.
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QuoteQuoteI am doing just fine with out god. I don't have any major hardships like some people. I don't see any advantage to believing in your god.
Lots of people are "doing fine" in this life without God. The Gospel message is not primarily about life enhancement. It's about righteousness. You may in fact be enjoying life to the fullest but you are not in a right standing with God. You can suppress that truth now but, in the end, you will have to face it.
In the future can you be more specific and let me know which god you are following? Thanks. I need a Playbill to keep track of them all.
I bet you follow Ku.
pajarito 0
QuoteIn the future can you be more specific and let me know which god you are following? Thanks. I need a Playbill to keep track of them all.
I bet you follow Ku.
The One True God. “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."
Deuteronomy 6:4-5
QuoteQuoteI am doing just fine with out god. I don't have any major hardships like some people. I don't see any advantage to believing in your god.
Lots of people are "doing fine" in this life without God. The Gospel message is not primarily about life enhancement. It's about righteousness. You may in fact be enjoying life to the fullest but you are not in a right standing with God. You can suppress that truth now but, in the end, you will have to face it.
How does that *suppressing* work? I don't realize it. And really would like to know what I have to *face* in the end?
Any experiences, a hint?
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The One True God. “Hear, O Israel! The LORD is our God, the LORD is one! You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your might."
Deuteronomy 6:4-5
LOL. You guys are still at it in here?
Just remember to turn off the lights and lock the door when you leave
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beowulf 1
QuoteQuoteI am doing just fine with out god. I don't have any major hardships like some people. I don't see any advantage to believing in your god.
Lots of people are "doing fine" in this life without God. The Gospel message is not primarily about life enhancement. It's about righteousness. You may in fact be enjoying life to the fullest but you are not in a right standing with God. You can suppress that truth now but, in the end, you will have to face it.
So you say, but how do I know what your saying is true? I don't feel any ill effects from not worshiping the Christian God. In fact many millions of people are not feeling any ill effects from not worshiping the Christian God. You claim there is some sort of consequence that will be faced when I die. What evidence do you have of this so called consequence?
Coreece 190
QuoteHow does that *suppressing* work?
Well, I suppose the most comon form of supression would be to look at the complexity of life in this amazing world...and after thinking about it for awhile, you say:
"Wow! Amazing! I wonder....could it be? Nah, this shit just happens..."
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billvon 2,991
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>The One True God.
Which, of course, is different in several details from the One True God that other Christians here follow. (Which is fine; that term just amuses me.)
Which, of course, is different in several details from the One True God that other Christians here follow. (Which is fine; that term just amuses me.)
billvon 2,991
>"Wow! Amazing! I wonder....could it be? Nah, this shit just happens..."
Well, given the alternative "I can't understand how that (cell, organism, cellphone, airplane, crystal) came to be! Therefore God did it" - I'd go with the former.
Of course, 99% of even religious people choose a position in between those two strawman positions.
Well, given the alternative "I can't understand how that (cell, organism, cellphone, airplane, crystal) came to be! Therefore God did it" - I'd go with the former.
Of course, 99% of even religious people choose a position in between those two strawman positions.
Coreece 190
No strawman...
Romans 1:18-20:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
...I just concur.
Romans 1:18-20:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
...I just concur.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
QuoteQuoteHow does that *suppressing* work?
Well, I suppose the most comon form of supression would be to look at the complexity of life in this amazing world...and after thinking about it for awhile, you say:
"Wow! Amazing! I wonder....could it be? Nah, this shit just happens..."
Oh no, this sh*t simply did not *happen*, that's the wonder of evolution! Just follow the development of that organism.
And nowadays, we're in the position to trace back those developments.
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Coreece 190
good luck, I hope you find what you're looking for.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
ChrisL 2
QuoteNo strawman...
Romans 1:18-20:
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
...I just concur.
LOL.
A book, compiled by some dudes a couple thousand years ago from various disparate documents written by more dudes even earlier, claims that the existence of "things that have been made" is proof of the existence of God.
This actually works for you?
Cool! I wish I could do that
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pajarito 0
QuoteSo you say, but how do I know what your saying is true? I don't feel any ill effects from not worshiping the Christian God. In fact many millions of people are not feeling any ill effects from not worshiping the Christian God. You claim there is some sort of consequence that will be faced when I die. What evidence do you have of this so called consequence?
Have you ever lied? Did you know it was wrong to lie when you did it? The bible says that all liars will have their part in the lake of fire. There are consequences for our thoughts/actions. Your conscience should be your evidence unless you're continuing to lie or it has become so desensitized that you just don't care who you hurt. And lying is but one of your infractions to which you will have to give an account. What's your plan?
pajarito 0
QuoteA book, compiled by some dudes a couple thousand years ago from various disparate documents written by more dudes even earlier, claims that the existence of "things that have been made" is proof of the existence of God.
This actually works for you?
Doesn't the existence of a painting prove that there was a painter or could the Mona Lisa "just happen?" If you believe it could, then I am truly amazed that it "works for you." That is some serious faith.
billvon 2,991
>No strawman......I just concur.
I know you do. And if that works for you, that's great. I guess where we differ is that I don't think everyone else is wrong just because they believe something slightly different than I do.
I know you do. And if that works for you, that's great. I guess where we differ is that I don't think everyone else is wrong just because they believe something slightly different than I do.
Coreece 190
QuoteCool! I wish I could do that
Just pray for understanding then...Be honest with God, not me. It's a personal thing.
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...
Geez, don't leave out the truly heinous crimes like parking violations, blockbuster late fees, and Ikea credit.
You really, really, dammit, really.......?
....think that the cast of Glee is plotting murder and general mayhem while you aren't looking?
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