jakee 1,493 #426 July 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis isn't about me or what I have or haven't done. It's about this mythology that you and millions of people believe in and attempt to push on to others. You are like those snake oil salesmen of years ago peddaling your claims of grand rewards for those who believe and dire consequences for those that don't. Yet you have nothing to back up your claims. I'm really just appealing to your conscience. You're appealing to self-preservation.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #427 July 13, 2011 Attempting to, is more like it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,993 #428 July 13, 2011 >I think you know that I am referring to the moral standard of God, based on His >righteous nature, and not man's. Well, if the two are not aligned, then nothing we can do really applies to God's morality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #429 July 13, 2011 QuoteThrought out the Bible there are slaves. So God must consider it morally right to have slaves? Right? Not by applying proper hermaneutical interpretation. The Bible is a progressive revelation of God's plan of salvation for his people. It tells the story of God's faithfulness throughout history. It also illustrates man's successes and failures in this regard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #430 July 13, 2011 QuoteYou're appealing to self-preservation. I can't preserve myself. Neither can you. That's why it is prudent to consider "what's next?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #431 July 13, 2011 QuoteWell, if the two are not aligned, then nothing we can do really applies to God's morality. Close. I'd say that there is nothing we can do to live up to God's standard of morality. ---I'm leaving to go run in the rain for a while....be back later.--- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #432 July 13, 2011 I see it as a book that chronicles a middle eastern mythology. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,993 #433 July 13, 2011 >I'd say that there is nothing we can do to live up to God's standard of morality. If that's true, then we are all equally doomed by our works - and deathbed conversion is probably our best bet to "get in the door." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #434 July 13, 2011 Quote If that's true, then we are all equally doomed by our works - and deathbed conversion is probably our best bet to "get in the door." Yes. We are all equally doomed by our works. Well said. Added: But why would a "deathbed conversion" be better than one right now? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,493 #435 July 13, 2011 QuoteQuoteYou're appealing to self-preservation. I can't preserve myself. Neither can you. That's why it is prudent to consider "what's next?" If you don't think the self continues after death then I'm not sure what it is you're worried about. But it appears that you do believe that, you are worried about 'what happens next' and you are peddling an ethos of self preservation.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #436 July 14, 2011 QuoteGiant's Causeway of Northern Ireland Not that you're seeking it, but citing the "answersingenisis" website destroys your credibility immediately with me. If you can't see bullshit like this for what it is you have no hope of being taken seriously. Same goes for you, jaybird(if you're still haunting this thread)"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,993 #437 July 14, 2011 >But why would a "deathbed conversion" be better than one right now? If you are equally doomed no matter what you do, and you'd rather live by your own morals - then deathbed conversions are just as effective at ensuring passage into the winning afterlife, while avoiding having to deal with the vagaries of religious morality for 99.9% of your life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #438 July 14, 2011 QuoteIf you are equally doomed no matter what you do, and you'd rather live by your own morals - then deathbed conversions are just as effective at ensuring passage into the winning afterlife, while avoiding having to deal with the vagaries of religious morality for 99.9% of your life. If you'd rather live by your own morals and you're depending on your morality for righteousness, then, as you said before, that is works righteousness and cannot save. Even a deathbed "conversion" based on the supposed righteousness of the individual and what he has "done" to deserve it is worthless. It is all by faith or none at all. "Nothing in my hands I bring. Simply to the cross I cling. Only Christ is righteous. Only He is worthy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #439 July 14, 2011 How many profiles do you have on here?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #440 July 14, 2011 QuoteHow many profiles do you have on here? Two. I explained that a while back. Not trying to sneak around. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #441 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteHow many profiles do you have on here? Two. I explained that a while back. Not trying to sneak around. I thought I recognized your debate style. I thought that was against the rules. http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=jaybird18c; http://www.dropzone.com/cgi-bin/forum/gforum.cgi?username=pajarito;"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #442 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote How many profiles do you have on here? Two. I explained that a while back. Not trying to sneak around. The last post you made under your "Jaybird" profile made mention of cowards. I missed the explaination of why you have more than one profile. I just figured you didn't have the spine to own up to your posts, but that's not the case, is it?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #443 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote Quote How many profiles do you have on here? Two. I explained that a while back. Not trying to sneak around. The last post you made under your "Jaybird" profile made mention of cowards. I missed the explaination of why you have more than one profile. I just figured you didn't have the spine to own up to your posts, but that's not the case, is it? I'd love to meet you someday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
david3 0 #444 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote How many profiles do you have on here? Two. I explained that a while back. Not trying to sneak around. The last post you made under your "Jaybird" profile made mention of cowards. I missed the explaination of why you have more than one profile. I just figured you didn't have the spine to own up to your posts, but that's not the case, is it? I'd love to meet you someday. For what it is worth, while I may not agree with much of what you post I have no doubt you have the balls to stand behind those posts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #445 July 14, 2011 Quote For what it is worth, while I may not agree with much of what you post I have no doubt you have the balls to stand behind those posts. Thanks. It really is alright to agree to disagree Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #446 July 14, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote How many profiles do you have on here? Two. I explained that a while back. Not trying to sneak around. The last post you made under your "Jaybird" profile made mention of cowards. I missed the explaination of why you have more than one profile. I just figured you didn't have the spine to own up to your posts, but that's not the case, is it? I'd love to meet you someday. The feeling is mutual then. I'm sure you're a great guy. So, why is it you feel that one profile is not enough?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #447 July 14, 2011 QuoteThe feeling is mutual then. I'm sure you're a great guy. So, why is it you feel that one profile is not enough? One is really enough. I joined this thing originally back in 04 (I think). Got really burned out on it and left. My original username was this one. On a whim, I decided to check this site out again several months ago. I've been using the name jaybird18c for years now in all my online identification. I didn't recall what I was before and just created a new one. If that gets me banned again...I'm cool with that. It's really not worth fighting over. Really... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #448 July 14, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe feeling is mutual then. I'm sure you're a great guy. So, why is it you feel that one profile is not enough? One is really enough. I joined this thing originally back in 04 (I think). Got really burned out on it and left. My original username was this one. On a whim, I decided to check this site out again several months ago. I've been using the name jaybird18c for years now in all my online identification. I didn't recall what I was before and just created a new one. If that gets me banned again...I'm cool with that. It's really not worth fighting over. Really... I for one hope you don't get banned again. I just wish that you'd stick with one or the other. If you use Jaybird 18c in all your online identification, wouldn't it make sense that you use it here too?"Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #449 July 14, 2011 Absolutely. Ask Billvon to unban me. "FREEE JAYBIRD18C! FREE JAYBIRD18C!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stevebabin 0 #450 July 14, 2011 QuoteAbsolutely. Ask Billvon to unban me. "FREEE JAYBIRD18C! FREE JAYBIRD18C!" You're using your old profile to get around a banning? I guess I missed that. I should probably pay more attention."Science, logic and reason will fly you to the moon. Religion will fly you into buildings." "Because figuring things out is always better than making shit up." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
