kallend 2,030
Some With Histories of Mental Illness Petition to Get Their Gun Rights Back
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kallend 2,030
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It's a fascinating thing, John. I'd like you to answer this - how many people who are not ACTUAL threats should be seized in order to ensure that there is full coverage. Me? I'm the guy who has said I'd rather see 100 criminals go free than 1 innocent person imprisoned. The same holds true for kooks
How about you give the strawman a break. No-one has suggested seizing or imprisoning anyone on account of their mental illness.
How many innocent people would you like to be shot dead so that a "kook" can buy a gun with no inconvenience?
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
Quote>How would you pick who is metally unstable enough to own a firearm?
Initially evaluation by a health professional (psychiatrist, ER doctor etc) Final decision by a court supported by mental health professionals.
This I agree with.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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It's a fascinating thing, John. I'd like you to answer this - how many people who are not ACTUAL threats should be seized in order to ensure that there is full coverage. Me? I'm the guy who has said I'd rather see 100 criminals go free than 1 innocent person imprisoned. The same holds true for kooks
How about you give the strawman a break. No-one has suggested seizing or imprisoning anyone on account of their mental illness.
How many innocent people would you like to be shot dead so that a "kook" can buy a gun with no inconvenience?
Yet again another example of someone wanting complete security even though a right may be sacrificed. And that security would not be realized anyway.
Sorry John, I dont buy it.
You bitched differently about the Patriot Act I recall
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
QuoteQuoteQuoteThere is a cost to freedom.
If the cost is innocent lives within our own borders, then the cost is far to high if only to protect the rights of the very few.
We need to outlaw skydiving then. And driving. Both of those cost innocent lives within our own borders. Also bathtubs. You know how many people die each year from hitting their head in the bathtub?
Congrats on your successful completion of the Mike Neal school of debate.
However, your rant makes you sound unstable - now where did I put that NICS contact number....?
No offense, Southern, I just could not resist.
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young
quade 4
QuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you pick who is metally unstable enough to own a firearm?
I think most people don't want to arm the mentally unstable.
Agreed
So your point is?
You appear to have asked a question to which an answer isn't required since it makes little sense.
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quade 4
QuoteQuote>How would you pick who is metally unstable enough to own a firearm?
Initially evaluation by a health professional (psychiatrist, ER doctor etc) Final decision by a court supported by mental health professionals.
What instrument would you have the mental health professional use for that evaluation? What is the standard against which that person is measured?
Start here to understand just one over several tests.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/436/the-psychopath-test
Testing high in psychopathy is one of several positive indicators. Not the only one, but the program discusses how it does relate to criminal behavior.
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rushmc 23
QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you pick who is metally unstable enough to own a firearm?
I think most people don't want to arm the mentally unstable.
Agreed
So your point is?
You appear to have asked a question to which an answer isn't required since it makes little sense.
You posted that most people dont want to arm the mentally unstable
Ok
I do not see anyone here arguing against that position
You must have had a reason or a point to get across when you posted that
What is it?
"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
Psychopathy is not "mental illness." Psychopathy is best described as "criminal."
There was no "mental illness" in Ted Bundy. The BTK Killer? Nope. Absolutely they knew right from wrong. They just were psychopaths.
There is a great and easy confusion between "psychopaths" and "psychotics." Pshoctics are those who, like schizophrenics, lose contact with reality. Psychopaths are ALWAYS under control. They are rational. They know that what they are doing is wrong but don't care because they will do what they want.
The psychopaths are the ones to be worried about. They are not "mentally ill." They are the quintessential bad seeds. They are the ones that end up in the criminal justice system AFTER they commit crimes.
Please note the difference between a "psychotic" and a "psychopath." A "psychopath" is the antisocial. The psychopath knows right from wrong and chooses wrong because he/she likes it. The psychopath is the predator.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
There was no "mental illness" in Ted Bundy. The BTK Killer? Nope. Absolutely they knew right from wrong. They just were psychopaths.
There is a great and easy confusion between "psychopaths" and "psychotics." Pshoctics are those who, like schizophrenics, lose contact with reality. Psychopaths are ALWAYS under control. They are rational. They know that what they are doing is wrong but don't care because they will do what they want.
The psychopaths are the ones to be worried about. They are not "mentally ill." They are the quintessential bad seeds. They are the ones that end up in the criminal justice system AFTER they commit crimes.
Please note the difference between a "psychotic" and a "psychopath." A "psychopath" is the antisocial. The psychopath knows right from wrong and chooses wrong because he/she likes it. The psychopath is the predator.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
Amazon 7
QuoteQuoteQuote>How would you pick who is metally unstable enough to own a firearm?
Initially evaluation by a health professional (psychiatrist, ER doctor etc) Final decision by a court supported by mental health professionals.
What instrument would you have the mental health professional use for that evaluation? What is the standard against which that person is measured?
Start here to understand just one over several tests.
http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/436/the-psychopath-test
Testing high in psychopathy is one of several positive indicators. Not the only one, but the program discusses how it does relate to criminal behavior.
I wonder how many shrinks and other so called mental health professionals would flunk that test.
I have met a few who worked in the field for one reason and one reason alone....They needed their patients help to them overcome their own poverty issues.
Other than that.... the fuckers were all nuttier than loons.. and fairly quick to abuse those they were supposed to be helping
QuotePsychopathy is not "mental illness." Psychopathy is best described as "criminal."
There was no "mental illness" in Ted Bundy. The BTK Killer? Nope. Absolutely they knew right from wrong. They just were psychopaths.
There is a great and easy confusion between "psychopaths" and "psychotics." Pshoctics are those who, like schizophrenics, lose contact with reality. Psychopaths are ALWAYS under control. They are rational. They know that what they are doing is wrong but don't care because they will do what they want.
The psychopaths are the ones to be worried about. They are not "mentally ill." They are the quintessential bad seeds. They are the ones that end up in the criminal justice system AFTER they commit crimes.
Please note the difference between a "psychotic" and a "psychopath." A "psychopath" is the antisocial. The psychopath knows right from wrong and chooses wrong because he/she likes it. The psychopath is the predator.
Your short break of about 3 hrs is already over?
Intersting ideas, you have there.
There's nothing new in it, nothing you cannot googly by yourself.
Do you vote for giving them weapons or not??
I just feel a *great and easy confusion* in every of your posts.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
Yep. I thank quade for correcting me and I apologize to kallend for being a dick.
And true - nothing you can't google. Which is why I'm curous about why psychotpaths (who know right from wrong) are being lumped in with those who don't know right from wrong.
I don't vote for giving anyone weapons. If they want weapons they can get them themselves.
I DO, however, vote for lettign peope exercise their rights until they fuck up. Thus, even the psychopath gets a gun until she uses it.
We all know europeans cannot be trusted with guns - they themselves admit it and their governments thankfully remove weapons from them. But, if a European is in the US, then I do not support preventing them from accessing weapons.
You feel plenty. It'd be nice for you to "think" instead of feel.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
And true - nothing you can't google. Which is why I'm curous about why psychotpaths (who know right from wrong) are being lumped in with those who don't know right from wrong.
QuoteDo you vote for giving them weapons or not??
I don't vote for giving anyone weapons. If they want weapons they can get them themselves.
I DO, however, vote for lettign peope exercise their rights until they fuck up. Thus, even the psychopath gets a gun until she uses it.
We all know europeans cannot be trusted with guns - they themselves admit it and their governments thankfully remove weapons from them. But, if a European is in the US, then I do not support preventing them from accessing weapons.
QuoteI just feel a *great and easy confusion* in every of your posts
You feel plenty. It'd be nice for you to "think" instead of feel.
My wife is hotter than your wife.
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I wonder how many shrinks and other so called mental health professionals would flunk that test.
I have met a few who worked in the field for one reason and one reason alone....They needed their patients help to them overcome their own poverty issues.
Other than that.... the fuckers were all nuttier than loons.. and fairly quick to abuse those they were supposed to be helping
Scary that these are the very people so many want to put in charge or allowing or denying people their rights, isn't it?
"What if there were no hypothetical questions?"
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..... Which is why I'm curous about why psychotpaths (who know right from wrong) are being lumped in with those who don't know right from wrong.
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Nonsense. Do you really care if Ted Bundy or the BTK killer are falling into same category with the other mentally disturbed ones??
You posted a giant pile of sh*t today (where you falling into your whiskey bottle??) and now you're just looking for flimsy excuses to correct something ....
dudeist skydiver # 3105
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QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteHow would you pick who is metally unstable enough to own a firearm?
I think most people don't want to arm the mentally unstable.
Agreed
So your point is?
You appear to have asked a question to which an answer isn't required since it makes little sense.
You posted that most people dont want to arm the mentally unstable
Ok
I do not see anyone here arguing against that position
You must have had a reason or a point to get across when you posted that
What is it?
Take a breath to clear your mind and carefully reread the sentence you wrote and I originally quoted from you at the top of this post.
What you've asked is how we as a society should establish the minimum level of mental instability to be allowed to own a gun.
If you do not understand why I commented the way I did after this explanation, I can't help you.
quade -
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So you agree with me now. (Using psychiatric professional was suggested by me some years ago).
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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