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Some With Histories of Mental Illness Petition to Get Their Gun Rights Back
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QuoteQuote***I'm not really sure what I did to earn your enmity or cause you to so deliberately misinterpret my words, but I think its safe to say that, given your responses, there is nothing to be gained by responding to any more of your comments. You obviously don't want to actually have a meaningful dialogue.
Ding ding ding...no more callers, folks, we have a winner.
That's his entire gambit - Monday morning quarterbacking and ad hominem accusations that gun owners don't care about innocent deaths.
Once again you show that you consider your convenience more important than the lives of others.
Once again you show that you consider the convenience of not finishing your future telepathy machine more important than the lives of others.
Mike
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billvon 3,008
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>you consider the convenience of not finishing your future telepathy
>machine more important than the lives of others.
And the award for the most incomprehensible, convoluted and unrelated attack of the day goes to - Mike!
>machine more important than the lives of others.
And the award for the most incomprehensible, convoluted and unrelated attack of the day goes to - Mike!
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And the award for the most incomprehensible, convoluted and unrelated attack of the day goes to - Mike!
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Very well said, Pops. It's about rights. And the implicit argument is that those perceived as mentally ill should not have the same rights.
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QuoteYou need to keep them locked up so children and criminals don't have easy assess to them.
What about those who demonstrate a propensity to be criminals? I mean, arent' there people out there that just make you think, "This is a bad dude." Why not have guns stripped from them because of a bad sense?
Right - because we have to wait until they commit a crime. Do we take away a person's right to a gun because he has a misdemeanor drunk in public? Or a DUI? Sure, thay person has demonstrated a lack of responsibility, but guns have nothing to do with it.
I note you did not say "You need to keep them locked up so children and criminals and the mentally ill don't have easy assess to them." It's an important step because the person in the initial article did not commit a crime! Why keep guns away from a person whose non-criminal behavior is the reason why they took guns in the first place?
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Right - because we have to wait until they commit a crime. (1)Do we take away a person's right to a gun because he has a misdemeanor drunk in public? (2)Or a DUI? (3)Sure, thayt person has demonstrated a lack of responsibility, but guns have nothing to do with it.
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(1) Thanks God, we do here.
(2) Thanks God, we do here.
(3) I really would love to know what kind of *shyster* you are. It's not first time, I have my doubts.
Alone that lack of responsibility surely is enough to refuse *someone's* right to own weapons.
I'm pretty sure, all of the above 3 pts are saving many, many lives of MY fellow citizens.
dudeist skydiver # 3105
billvon 3,008
>Do we take away a person's right to a gun because he has a misdemeanor
>drunk in public? Or a DUI?
No, but we might take away his pilot's license for that DUI. And we might take away his car if he has demonstrable mental stability problems.
>drunk in public? Or a DUI?
No, but we might take away his pilot's license for that DUI. And we might take away his car if he has demonstrable mental stability problems.
Quote>Do we take away a person's right to a gun because he has a misdemeanor
>drunk in public? Or a DUI?
No, but we might take away his pilot's license for that DUI. And we might take away his car if he has demonstrable mental stability problems.
Non-sequitor. The Constitution does not grant someone the right to fly a plane of drive a car.
quade 4
QuoteThe Constitution does not grant someone the right to fly a plane of drive a car.
And regardless of what you may believe, the Rights in the US Constitution aren't unlimited.
You have freedom of speech, but not freedom to shout fire in a crowded theater.
You have freedom of religion, but not freedom to commit human sacrifice.
You have the right to bear arms, but not in every location and under every circumstance.
You just don't. Try to deny it if you want, but you don't.
quade -
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I'm a shyster in a different country than you are in. I happen to place a very high value on individual civil liberties. The Constitution of My country provides rights that your country - whatever it is - may not provide. For example, we have a right to free speech. Meanwhile, even thoughout Europe there are forms of speech that are banned. While you and others - and maybe even I - may find there to be good reason to ban the display of the Swastika, there's someone out there like me who believes that freedom of speech means it is not limited to certain ideas.
Perhaps you have no problem with state police who can enter your home for no reason other than to see whether there's some crime they can find. My country says there has to be a reason for it as demonstrated by probable cause issued by a judge with a warrant.
Indeed, I may find your country's approach to individual liberties to be as despicable as you find mine. That's fine. I'm not going to be the person who argues that some Sharia law attorney in trashcanistan doesn't know what he's talking aboutr because it doesn't jibe with my ideas of justice.
Hell, I am only allowed to practice law in California because different states have different laws. But just because I'm on the phone with an attorney in Pennsylvania who is explaining common law marriage doesn't mean I say that attorney is not qualified. Just because we don't have it here doesn't mean it doesn't exist elsewhere.
So you're from a country where the individual must yield to society. Were you under Franco, who held the same thought? Maybe you're from Portugal - which changed its form of government in the 1970's.
Challeneg away. But I don't know whether it"s ignorance or arrogance that you believe that other places in the world are not run differently from yours. I thought Europe was all about enlightened respect for other places and cultural values. Challenging me on my ideas about how the system I work ilive in and work with every day? About the Constitution I've sworn to protect on seven separate occasions?
That's as laughable as my telling you that the system in your country doesn't work as you say it does.
[Reply]I'm pretty sure, all of the above 3 pts are saving many, many lives of MY fellow citizens.
Perhaps you have no problem with state police who can enter your home for no reason other than to see whether there's some crime they can find. My country says there has to be a reason for it as demonstrated by probable cause issued by a judge with a warrant.
Indeed, I may find your country's approach to individual liberties to be as despicable as you find mine. That's fine. I'm not going to be the person who argues that some Sharia law attorney in trashcanistan doesn't know what he's talking aboutr because it doesn't jibe with my ideas of justice.
Hell, I am only allowed to practice law in California because different states have different laws. But just because I'm on the phone with an attorney in Pennsylvania who is explaining common law marriage doesn't mean I say that attorney is not qualified. Just because we don't have it here doesn't mean it doesn't exist elsewhere.
So you're from a country where the individual must yield to society. Were you under Franco, who held the same thought? Maybe you're from Portugal - which changed its form of government in the 1970's.
Challeneg away. But I don't know whether it"s ignorance or arrogance that you believe that other places in the world are not run differently from yours. I thought Europe was all about enlightened respect for other places and cultural values. Challenging me on my ideas about how the system I work ilive in and work with every day? About the Constitution I've sworn to protect on seven separate occasions?
That's as laughable as my telling you that the system in your country doesn't work as you say it does.
[Reply]I'm pretty sure, all of the above 3 pts are saving many, many lives of MY fellow citizens.
And I'm sure that a police state would save the lives of many of my fellow citizens, ensuring that they don't fall victim to murder by anyone but the state. That's where different values come in. I'll take my chances that the person behind me in line at the grocery store doesn't have a gun because I value my liberty and those of others. I think somebody should be free to display a swastika because then I'll know who that person is. Put it in the open so we can identify them and I can say to myslef, "That guy runs 88 Car Repair? I'll tell my friends who he is so they can avoid it."
And of course, you may like the thought that a person can be put in jail for speaking her mind. I don't.
You may like that a person can be seized for committing no crime. I don't.
Differences in personal opinion and differences in general ethos. My opinion is that your belief system is your right and your system works for you. Too bad you don't think the same way. It'd be nice if you had respect for peoples' differences. But who knows? Maybe where you are from differences of opinion have been cleaned out of society in order to keep people alive. Well, those that agree with whomever is in charge.
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ChrisL 2
Quote>Do we take away a person's right to a gun because he has a misdemeanor
>drunk in public? Or a DUI?
No, but we might take away his pilot's license for that DUI. And we might take away his car if he has demonstrable mental stability problems.
True, but driving a car and piloting an aircraft are not constitutionally protected rights.
I'm thinking that revocation of a constitutional right should be handled with a lot more care and consideration than whats is used when suspending someones drivers license.
Unfortunately thats often not the case. People that should not have access to firearms still do, and sane, rational people are denied the same right because the whole process is handled with no more care or consideration than the DMV uses with regard to a drivers license.
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QuoteDo we take away a person's right to a gun because he has a misdemeanor drunk in public? Or a DUI?
I thought that a DUI was already grounds for losing one's right to own a gun?
quade 4
QuoteQuoteDo we take away a person's right to a gun because he has a misdemeanor drunk in public? Or a DUI?
I thought that a DUI was already grounds for losing one's right to own a gun?
"Regular" DUI, no. Felony DUI, yes.
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quade 4
QuoteTrue, but driving a car and piloting an aircraft are not constitutionally protected rights.
Again, regardless of what you may believe, the Rights in the US Constitution aren't unlimited.
You have freedom of speech, but not freedom to shout fire in a crowded theater.
You have freedom of religion, but not freedom to commit human sacrifice.
You have the right to bear arms, but not in every location and under every circumstance.
You just don't. Try to deny it if you want, but you don't.
quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver
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Woah! Man.
That was a giant relief for you, no??
You weren't online much these days, no??
Policemen taking away cameras, destroying cell phones et al ... no? That's your free speech?
Swastika? WHAT's THAT SH*T? Mainly to be found in the US at all those skin heads - Arian Brothers etc. ... The largest Nazi groups in the world - located in the US
Dear, do you homeworks. You'd never survive in Germany with those low level jurisprudence knowledges.
What I said. I doubt you.
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dudeist skydiver # 3105
Shotgun 1
QuoteQuoteI thought that a DUI was already grounds for losing one's right to own a gun?
"Regular" DUI, no. Felony DUI, yes.
Oh, OK. That makes sense. I think I've looked that up before but didn't remember.
Ding ding ding...no more callers, folks, we have a winner.
That's his entire gambit - Monday morning quarterbacking and ad hominem accusations that gun owners don't care about innocent deaths.
Once again you show that you consider your convenience more important than the lives of others.
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