Gravitymaster 0 #76 July 19, 2011 Quote it's pretty simple - tax the top % rich (who have the money and are the richest they have ever been) and reduce the deficit (now - what's 2 plus 2 again) It's pretty simple from the perspective of an extreme left winger who has never started a business and has no clue what the job creators go through on a daily basis. Yep, life's that simple when the only knowledge one has comes from Alternet, Media Matters and other sites where the clueless who have too much time on their hands hang out. Go borrow $250,000.00 and start a business and then come back in 5 years and we will talk. I can assure you it will be a very different discussion. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #77 July 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteWEALTH IS NOT DISTRIBUTED. It is EARNED Half right. The people who earn it are frequently not the people who have it. Paris Hilton didn't "earn" much at all. uh, She's earned millions, which is pretty damn good for a gal in her 20s (is she 30 yet?) I know you hate her, but face reality. The fact that people know who she is and have an emotional reaction to her only proves that she has accomplished what she set out to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #78 July 19, 2011 I read the Wynn interview as well - he said it well.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #79 July 19, 2011 Quote Quote it's pretty simple - tax the top % rich (who have the money and are the richest they have ever been) and reduce the deficit (now - what's 2 plus 2 again) It's pretty simple from the perspective of an extreme left winger. it's simple maths mate - try again stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #80 July 19, 2011 QuoteI read the Wynn interview as well - he said it well. Yes he did. He reflects my thoughts exactly. I hope some of these extreme left wingers who think this country isn't in very serious jeopardy will take the word of a fellow Democrat and sucessful busnessman to heart and get rid of the blinders long enough to become an American and support what's good for this country. I spend a lot of time discussing business with other business owners and I can tell you, they are all very fearful of where this President is taking this country. Most are just waiting out this administration and hoping for a better business environment from the next one. That's one of the main reasons jobs are not being created. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #81 July 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote it's pretty simple - tax the top % rich (who have the money and are the richest they have ever been) and reduce the deficit (now - what's 2 plus 2 again) It's pretty simple from the perspective of an extreme left winger. it's simple maths mate - try again Simple minded is more descriptive. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #82 July 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote it's pretty simple - tax the top % rich (who have the money and are the richest they have ever been) and reduce the deficit (now - what's 2 plus 2 again) It's pretty simple from the perspective of an extreme left winger. it's simple maths mate - try again Simple minded is more descriptive. stop looking in that mirror and tell us all what 2 plus 2 is in extreme rightwinger land...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #83 July 19, 2011 Quote Quote Actually, tax cuts result in... a huge f**king deficit - duh... (and the rich get richer) Ahhh poor dreamer can't have a much as someone else Too bad What a whiner Take care of yourself and get over you green monster disease"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #84 July 19, 2011 Besides the healthcare bill, what policies exactly do you feel are stiffling to business development? I'm asking sincerely. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #85 July 19, 2011 QuoteBesides the healthcare bill, what policies exactly do you feel are stiffling to business development? I'm asking sincerely. the new banking regulations is one I can think of right off hand"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #86 July 19, 2011 QuoteBesides the healthcare bill, what policies exactly do you feel are stiffling to business development? I'm asking sincerely. To follow up The policy and regulations crap that is hurting business started long befor Obama. None of the last 3 presidents helped business much at all. Except for the few businees/industries/corps, that were able to lobby tax advantages over the last few decades. GE comes to mind most recently"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #87 July 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Actually, tax cuts result in... a huge f**king deficit - duh... (and the rich get richer) What a whiner. that would be the rich then whining about paying some tax to help bring down the deficit (whining and whining about a bit of tax - and then employing professional whiners to do the whining for them)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #88 July 19, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Actually, tax cuts result in... a huge f**king deficit - duh... (and the rich get richer) What a whiner. that would be the rich then whining about paying some tax to help bring down the deficit (whining and whining about a bit of tax - and then employing professional whiners to do the whining for them) Nope It is about you and your crocodile tears of jealousy we are talking about here BTW, you could take most of the money the rich have, and do very little to lessen this whole we are in Take the major tax payers out of the economy by doing what you propose will result in even less of the programs you and yours advocate."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #89 July 19, 2011 QuoteBesides the healthcare bill, what policies exactly do you feel are stiffling to business development? I'm asking sincerely. Well, Obamacare is the 800 lb gorilla in the room. A lot of it is the insecurity of not knowing what's going to happen next. We don't know what's going on with Capital gains tax, We are worried about our access to credit and also the ability of our customers to obtain financing to purchase our products and services. We are concerned about gas prices and how they will affect our bottom line. We are now sitting on the verge of our country defaulting on it's obligations while the politicians on both sides sit there and play games. That's plenty of reason for insecurity of itself. Much more but these are a few of the reason the economy isn't getting any better. It is the opinion of many I know that it won't get better as long as we have the current President. That's not coming from just me, that's coming from groups I associate with such as many BNI members. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #90 July 19, 2011 EVERYONE should pay their fair taxes that makes over 15k per year. The government should stop leaning on the rich and big businesses to float their mistakes. Just make a flat tax, enforce the shit out of it so it gets paid, and stop the entitlements. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #91 July 19, 2011 Quotestop the entitlements. this would be the bankers again... (and the rich who feel they are entitled not to help cut the deficit)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #92 July 19, 2011 I guess I just fail to see how the President is affecting most of those things. I think we'd be having the exact same budget crisis regardless of who the President was. Gas prices have nothing to do with who's in the Oval Office. I guess you could argue that banks tightening credit is in response to new banking regulations, but it seems out of proportion. I also agree that raising tax rates on capital gains might have a chilling affect on investment, but I'm not sure if that's something that Obama proposed, or is just a general fear. It seems to me that a lot of people think the President has a much larger direct impact on the economy than he really does. I understand the insecurity and uncertainty, I just don't think it is fully rational. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #93 July 19, 2011 QuoteGo borrow $250,000.00 and start a business... you're advising me to go into debt? (i'd be more impressed with you if you could start a business without a great dollop of credit and then whine about the rich paying their fair share of the deficit)stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 July 19, 2011 QuoteGas prices have nothing to do with who's in the Oval Office. Did you sleep through the period from 01-09 and all the "Bush is in bed with Big Oil" howls?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #95 July 19, 2011 QuoteI guess I just fail to see how the President is affecting most of those things. I think we'd be having the exact same budget crisis regardless of who the President was. Gas prices have nothing to do with who's in the Oval Office. I guess you could argue that banks tightening credit is in response to new banking regulations, but it seems out of proportion. I also agree that raising tax rates on capital gains might have a chilling affect on investment, but I'm not sure if that's something that Obama proposed, or is just a general fear. It seems to me that a lot of people think the President has a much larger direct impact on the economy than he really does. I understand the insecurity and uncertainty, I just don't think it is fully rational. When you have to sit down and try and plan what direction your company is going to be headed for the next few years, then you will understand. One of the problems with this President is he had very little experience outside academia and has surrounded himself with many like minded. He's erratic, unpredictable and he makes many business owners very nervous. Of course you don't see it. Life gets very different when you have skin in the game. Explain to me how I am supposed to be able to afford Obamacare by raising my prices when my customers are already having trouble affording our products? Explain how the very real possibility of inflation affecting interest rates on loans helps me do more business? Expalin how inflationary increases in the costs of doing my advertising, marketing and branding are helped, when the country continues to borrow and spend? And don't even think for a moment that we aren't getting ready to move into a huge inflationary cycle. With all that looming, do you really think a business person is going to decide to expand their business and hire new employees? Nope, we are going to reduce our risk and stay with what's working for us now. There's too much to lose by expanding right now. Best to play it safe. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #96 July 19, 2011 Whatever I have no personal knowledge about what the rich do or dont pay, I do however have a daily contact with people who dont pay a DIME, and are proud to tell you! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #97 July 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteGo borrow $250,000.00 and start a business... you're advising me to go into debt? (i'd be more impressed with you if you could start a business without a great dollop of credit and then whine about the rich paying their fair share of the deficit) You say the dumbest things sometimes. I think you need to go back and hang out with others of your ilk over there at Alternet. You are so clearly over your head that it's comical. Those who can do. Those who can't, sit back and collect their weekly check from those who can and criticize. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #98 July 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteGo borrow $250,000.00 and start a business... you're advising me to go into debt? (i'd be more impressed with you if you could start a business without a great dollop of credit and then whine about the rich paying their fair share of the deficit) Those who can do. been doing it for a while now...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rstanley0312 1 #99 July 19, 2011 QuoteEVERYONE should pay their fair taxes that makes over 15k per year. The government should stop leaning on the rich and big businesses to float their mistakes. Just make a flat tax, enforce the shit out of it so it gets paid, and stop the entitlements. +1 Either that or a consumption tax... only way to go to be "fair" and it would get rid of all the BS and everyone would pay as they should.Life is all about ass....either you're kicking it, kissing it, working it off, or trying to get a piece of it. Muff Brother #4382 Dudeist Skydiver #000 www.fundraiseadventure.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #100 July 19, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteGo borrow $250,000.00 and start a business... you're advising me to go into debt? (i'd be more impressed with you if you could start a business without a great dollop of credit and then whine about the rich paying their fair share of the deficit) Those who can do. been doing it for a while now... So, how are you splitting the dz for your 'karmic consciousness' claptrap after you're gone?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
