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kallend 2,027
QuoteIf we didn't rely on science for answers and lived on mythology we would still be convinced the world was flat and we'd live a life based off ignorance and little advancements.
If they want to sit back and live their life being religious that's fine. But then they shouldn't come into threads about the existence of God and try debate when all they have in their arsenal is "I believe it to be so, I have faith".
Except you've had a whole bunch of people try to make their God's existence seem more realistic by trying to cater to the scientific minded, albeit with flawed and incorrect knowledge of science.
Science obviously has its place in solving the mysteries of the physical world. But that is only a part of our reality. We are also spiritual beings with a strong desire to know the truth, what ever it may be. One of the hallmarks of evil is laziness. To many people make up their own truths instead of working to find out what is really True. My proof is the dynamic power of God's Word as revealed in the Bible and its effect on my life. Similar experiences is why so many people believe what it says. Life on this planet is proof that physics can create and sustain metaphysical intelligence. What is your proof that intelligence is not an intergral part of the universal physical forces that control the universe/multiverse? But yet you get on these forums and say there is none.
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Nonsense. All it shows is that the human brain is hard wired to identify patterns and attribute causes, even where none exist.
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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
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Those are the ones who need to "prove that their God exists."
Or, maybe they just need to relearn the humility love and compassion their God teaches.
Leprechauns say otherwise.
mnealtx 0
QuoteIn the complete absence of any evidence
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Mike
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beowulf 1
QuoteQuoteIn the complete absence of any evidence
"Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence."
Yes, yes it is.
The absence of evidence that there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow is evidence that there is no pot of gold at the end of every rainbow.
RonD1120 62
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Yes, yes it is.
The absence of evidence that there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow is evidence that there is no pot of gold at the end of every rainbow.
Hmmm! Have you ever been to the end of a rainbow?
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
wolfriverjoe 1,523
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Yes, yes it is.
The absence of evidence that there is a pot of gold at the end of every rainbow is evidence that there is no pot of gold at the end of every rainbow.
Hmmm! Have you ever been to the end of a rainbow?
Yes.
No pot of gold.
Just laundry on a line.
But the sheets looked really cool.
And I am completely serious.
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"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo
RonD1120 62
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Hmmm! Have you ever been to the end of a rainbow?
Yes.
No pot of gold.
Just laundry on a line.
But the sheets looked really cool.
And I am completely serious.
I believe you. I too was at the end of one north of Bridgeport, CA and south of Carson City, NV, Dec 80.
Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.
QuoteI don't have to prove that a supernatural invisible being doesn't exist.
Nope, you don't have to. However, YOU have elected to waive that option. You have elected to file a grievance against believers. YOU, as the plaintiff, are claiming that he doesn't exist AND demanding scientific "evidence" from the defendant. No defendant is required to testify either for or against himself. With no proof to support you claim, there's no court in the country that would hear your case.
What part of that do you not understand?
What a smart person of your beliefs would be saying is "I don't believe in God because I am looking for "scientific evidence" of his existence and not finding it"
Simple as that.
Yet, you insist on carrying to one step farther by demanding that others provide that "scientific evidence" for you.
Whine all you like.
QuoteIn the complete absence of any evidence, those who believe she does exist have the burden of proof.
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*sigh*QuoteAnd misrepresenting science in order to convince the weak minded doesn't help their case.
Now this is true. What you fail to admit is that it's true for both sides of the argument.
*sigh*
And before you get off on another tangent, can you realistically say that asking science to provide proof of the existence of God is NOT misrepresenting science?My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
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QuoteIndeed, it's the non-believers who try to put that burden on them when, indeed, it's not necessary, not required nor even relevant.
QuoteIf the religious have no need to prove their beliefs with logic, and if it's purely personal and nothing more. Then they should refrain from arguing with Atheists who suggest God doesn't exist, it takes two to have a debate.
Man! Ain't THAT the truth.
QuoteIf they want to sit back and live their life being religious that's fine.
Simple as that isn't it.
What we're seeing here is vitriolic people failing to understand that. What we are seeing here is egoism at it's worst - "My belief is better than your belief. I'm right, you're wrong!" And it's most vitriolic from the non-believers. It's almost like they can't sleep at night until they sway someone to their way of thinking.
QuoteBut then they shouldn't come into threads about the existence of God and try debate when all they have in their arsenal is "I believe it to be so, I have faith".
If they didn't non-believers wouldn't have anyone to bash!
Seriously though, I'm with you on that sorta. There is no debate going on here. It's simply argument. It's rarely a good idea to argue with anyone about anything.
QuoteExcept you've had a whole bunch of people try to make their God's existence seem more realistic by trying to cater to the scientific minded, albeit with flawed and incorrect knowledge of science.
Ummmm....yes and no, as I read the posts.
Yes, some have done just that and as we know, that just doesn't work. So, do you bash them because of the beliefs or do you bash them for the mis-use of science? That answer is obvious, right? You talk about their mis-use of science.
And, OTOH, the non-believers have done the same. They have demonstrated that exact same flawed and incorrect knowledge of science by asking science to prove or disprove the existence of God - blatant mis-use of science. How can anyone reasonably ask science to do something it cannot do and then use that as support of his argument? Unbelievable....no puns intended.
My reality and yours are quite different.
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
I think we're all Bozos on this bus.
Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239
Or, maybe they just need to relearn the humility love and compassion their God teaches.