virgin-burner 1 #926 September 15, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Java man/Homo erectus This guy must've been my ancestor! What, nobody finds my favorable coffee/erection prefrence reference funny? What about the small brain? it made me laugh a bit, but i cant wrap my head around people posting shit like jaybird does.. uhm, you being a religious nutter and all, what's the vatican's stance on the issue of "creationism". i mean, the pope being THE direct contact to god n'everything!? found it myself already!“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #927 September 15, 2011 QuoteMuch that is in the bible can be found in writings that predate the bible. Same goes for the Sermons on the Mound. Near everything in that portion of the text can be found in the Tao, which predates the bible by several thousand years. Yes, I became familiar with asian philosophy when I delved into the buddhism for several years prior to becomming an athiest and then converting to christianity. There are certainly striking similarities to both parts of the Sermon on the Mt. and other parts of the NT as well, however they don't seem to be as frequent or as direct as you claim...some only share a vague undertone with christianity, while other verses are resoundingly contrary. Now the Tao Te Ching certainly predates NT writings but not by several thousands years as you claim... it's closer to like 700 years, but so what? There are many similarities found in writings of Ecclesiastes and Proverbs that predates the Tao and budhism by 300-400+ years, but that doesn't mean that Laozi and Buddha went on a long Journey to Israel and became Jewish proselytes. I think a more practical explanation that can be derived from both Asian Philosophy and Scripture is that truth is truth everywhere and at all times...(I think Buddha said something like that.) Scripture states, for since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made.... So there is this idea that these invisible attributes, eternal power and divine nature can be preceived by the senses from within ourselves that trancends the typical physical world....in other words, there is no need for a religion or an ideology or a particular philosophy to tell us this. So it really comes as no suprise to me that people who desperately sought wisdom would have a similar thought process and come to similar conclusions. Now what we do with that wisdom is a whole nother story. I can go off on some interesting rabbit trails with that idea, but I'll just stop that thought right here. QuoteIf Jesus did hold sermons on the mound and actually preached the words in the text, he might have very well been a follower of the Tao. He may had only been preaching from the Tao, and not from some type of God. As I said above, that would be as ridiculous as Laozi and Buddha becomming Jewish Proselytes because some of their writings are found in proverbs and ecclesiastes that predates both of those schools of thougt by 300-400+ years. I really don't see what the big deal is. I have had thoughts for inventions only to find out that it had already been patented. I can express an original thought on this forum and somebody will feel a connection because they felt the same thing though we never met. People make similar music and write similar lyrics with zero influence from eachother. Two completely different people on opposite ends of the world can write about their experience of Love and you wouldn't be able to tell the difference. This whole Idea that a writing is plagiarized simply because it shares some similar ideas of a previous writing is ludicrous...Did Stephen King Plagiarize from the NT when he wrote Langoliers? Did the Wachowski Brothers Plagiarize from Scripture when they wrote the Matrix? There is this idea in America that we need to start living within our means. If someone writes a book telling people to live within their means, are we to automatically assume that it was plagiarized from Scripture because that's what it's been saying all along? QuoteTaoism was extremely popular throughout the region at the time of Jesus. In China or Israel? Could you please cite a source...I'm having some trouble understanding this one. From what I understand, Taoism didn't gain official status until the Tang Dynasty and then later promoted by several emperors of the Song Dynasty. Quotethe bible teeters on plagiarism. Teeters? Really, Teeters? The Tao is around 6561 words. Even if the entire book was somehow expressed in Scripture, (which it most certainly is not...not even close.) It would still only make up less than 1% of the entire Bible... So no...it doesn't teeter on plagiarism like i've argued above. You can take the whole Tao, the couple of Laws from the book of the Dead, Buddha, your uneven weights and measures and all of your misconceptions and the Bible would still hold it up like a fat man on a see saw...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #928 September 15, 2011 Coreece, you have corrected me in a number of area in my post. Thanks. My reference that Jesus may have been a student of the Tao comes from the book The Great Tao. One school of thought is that there is a large gap in the life of Jesus that is unaccounted for. Where was he? What was he doing? What was he studying? There is similarities concerning Jesus and the Tao. Jesus is called "The Way". Tao, translated, means "The Way." Christianity concerns with connecting with "The One." Taoism concerns with connecting with "The One." Jesus may have very well studied Taoism. Taoism is just but one of the practices throughout Asia, before and after Jesus. As I said, Jesus could had studied a number of the many religions. We know that he was Jewish and must had, at one time, practiced Judaism. His thoughts may had been formed through interlacing the many religions. Who is to say that is not possible? But thought is universal. Has you stated, you have thought of an idea only to discover that it has already been done. I think we all have had thoughts that we thought were unique to our own self, only to discover that others are having the same thought. Who really knows if Jesus fashioned his sermons from many different practices, or if was an original. Hard to say."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #929 September 15, 2011 he was probably "nailing" the stay-home moms when he did some carpentry work when the husbands were not there, hence he got "nailed" later when his time was ripe. "an eye for an eye" as the old testament states! “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #930 September 15, 2011 Quote Coreece, you have corrected me in a number of area in my post. Thanks. Unfortunately enough, the pleasure, apparently, is all mine... Quote My reference that Jesus may have been a student of the Tao comes from the book The Great Tao. I'm not familiar with that...Is it some type of contemporary commentary on the Tao Te Ching? Quote One school of thought is that there is a large gap in the life of Jesus that is unaccounted for. Well, there is an account for when Jesus, as a young child, ran off from his parents to the temple to listen and ask questions to the teachers...all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and answers.... Quote Where was he? Probably at home with his parents like a normal Jewish kid. Quote What was he doing? Probably learning to be a carpenter/builder like his step father. Quote What was he studying? Probably Proverbs and Ecclesiastes from which Laozi and Buddha plagiarized. Quote Jesus may have very well studied Taoism. Ok...How? Were there Taoist evangelists travelling to Israel? Could Jesus understand Chinesse caligraphy? Quote His thoughts may had been formed through interlacing the many religions. Who is to say that is not possible? That's why I like to just stick to what the scripture says about Jesus...It's sufficient. Without it I could just say that Jesus was God and though Israel is centrally located in the world and an ideal place to spread the word throughout the world, he might've had concerns about it getting to China so he astral projected to asia and influenced Laozi and Buddha so as to give them a little headstart... I mean why would God need to be inluenced by some overweight, narcissistcc, egotistical bastards? Why are you so hell bent on this ridiculous idea of a Taoist Jesus that has no historical or cultural vallidity, but give little regard to the idea that Laozi and Buddha could've been Jewish proselytes because their writings are similar to the OT that predates them by 400+ years? Maybe Jesus, Laozi and Buddha got their ideas from the Old Testament Scriptures and then just went their seperate ways... Do you see how convolutted your ideas can become if there is no discipline...no structure..no understanding? Can you now understand why everybody is so confused? K.I.S.S I thought you athiests were all about evidence...but all I see are people laying on their back lazily grasping for straw because they are so biased and desperate to discredit the Bible... This goes back to my original point that tickled your fancy to begin with...why are you so hell bent on this pretense?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JeanJeanie 0 #931 September 15, 2011 Quote I applaud your action. If knowledge of God is not real or understood then you do more harm acting like it is than just stepping away from it. In the mean time God is reaching out to you. He will reveal Himself in a way you can understand if you do want to know Him. It will up to you to remove the stumbling blocks. If it is the god taught by christianity reaching out to me, I would have to give him a pass. Just as I hope to be free of jealousy, ego and destructive traits, I hope my God would too. For me, life is good enough and I have no fear of hell-fire nor do I look forward to heaven and I am ok with that.~~We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly~~MLK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #932 September 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe guy you mentioned obviously did not possess the attributes of love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Do you think Ron here is a true christian? Ya, but if he were to kill 77 people I just might have my doubts...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #933 September 15, 2011 QuoteI would say so. He believes. Isn't that pretty much the only requirement? "I fucked up my life, I will fuck up my life again, I believe some make believe person died for me, I open my self to him." Yep, I'd say Ron fits that. Nor would I judge him on his beliefs. Um...I think you just did.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #935 September 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThe guy you mentioned obviously did not possess the attributes of love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Do you think Ron here is a true christian? Ya, but if he were to kill 77 people I just might have my doubts... But getting angry at someone is committing murder, so we are told.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #936 September 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe guy you mentioned obviously did not possess the attributes of love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Do you think Ron here is a true christian? Ya, but if he were to kill 77 people I just might have my doubts... But getting angry at someone is committing murder, so we are told. that only applies to the non-new-born-christians..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #937 September 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe guy you mentioned obviously did not possess the attributes of love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Do you think Ron here is a true christian? Ya, but if he were to kill 77 people I just might have my doubts... But getting angry at someone is committing murder, so we are told. You're right! Oh, wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #938 September 15, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThe guy you mentioned obviously did not possess the attributes of love, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control. Do you think Ron here is a true christian? Ya, but if he were to kill 77 people I just might have my doubts... But getting angry at someone is committing murder, so we are told. You're right! Oh, wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? No one. I guess you'll just have to harden the fuck up.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #939 September 15, 2011 No fair...that's just too funny!Pointless, but funny! Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #940 September 15, 2011 QuoteHe believes. Isn't that pretty much the only requirement? No (James 2:19; "You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.") One is saved by God's grace alone through faith alone (which He provides), the effect of which is demonstrated through repentance (also a gift). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #941 September 15, 2011 here we go again.. “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #942 September 15, 2011 Can you translate that to English please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #943 September 15, 2011 he's only quoting a fictional book, dont worry..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #944 September 15, 2011 Quotehe's only quoting a fictional book, dont worry.. Experts in the field who actually study this stuff disagree wuth you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #945 September 15, 2011 Identify a few "experts" for us please? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #946 September 15, 2011 Quote Identify a few "experts" for us please? probably means the pope or the vatican that also says that creationism is BULLSHIT. not some backwards, redneck-country, delusional wanna-be priest with a followership of a couple thousand moronic, incestous idiots. you mean that, dont you!? “Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #947 September 16, 2011 QuoteIdentify a few "experts" for us please? St. Augustine, Martin Luther, John Calvin, George Whitefield, John Wesley, Jonathan Edwards.....Wayne Grudem, Dr. Robert Reymond, John MacArthur, John Piper, Ravi Zacharias, R.C. Sproul, D. James Kennedy, Loraine Boettner, J.I. Packer, A.W. Pink, C.S. Lewis... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #948 September 16, 2011 Huh. I am apparently confused on the meaning of "expert". Thanks though. I need to hone that comment actually. I do realize those individuals ARE considered experts on religious writings. I would parry that they are not factual, historical experts however. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaybird18c 24 #949 September 16, 2011 Quote I need to hone that comment actually. I do realize those individuals ARE considered experts on religious writings. I would parry that they are not factual, historical experts however. That doesn't even make sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
virgin-burner 1 #950 September 16, 2011 QuoteQuote I need to hone that comment actually. I do realize those individuals ARE considered experts on religious writings. I would parry that they are not factual, historical experts however. That doesn't even make sense. much like your mickey-mouse quoting ramblings..“Some may never live, but the crazy never die.” -Hunter S. Thompson "No. Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try." -Yoda Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
