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Exactly, the only Muslims I know who pray



I wasn't talking about muslims...



Oh, then you must have accidentally replied to the wrong reply, because I was not talking about christians, my apologies.



Oh...ok. So then you weren't saying muslims were more committed than Christians?

This is boring...goodnight.
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OK Jaybird, I've tired of this thread.
I'm going "nookular".

Should I pray to God and petition him with my daily problems?
Should I ask him to fix aunt Bessies' hernia or Uncle Johns' drooling?
Should I?
Should I petition God to send rain over my garden?
Or how about fixing the clutch on my Gremlin?

Should I?

Because I can't help but think that he already knows of these problems.

If I pray will he come to my aid fasdterthan he came to the aid of those who perished in the last tsunami?

Is he listening?

And even if he is listening is he paying attention?
And is it rude for me to even ask???

Look.., Your God, this Supreme Being has a *master plan* does he not?

Who are we to petition Him in prayer and asking Him to Change His plan?

Seems to me there is never reason to pray unless you have a better plan than God.

Oh yeah, .., .., one more thing..,
God spoke to me the other day ..,
He said, "Dan, see what you can do to stop these a-holes from congregating and petitioning me every frickin' Sunday !!!"
" It's my day off"

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OK Jaybird, I've tired of this thread.
I'm going "nookular".

Should I pray to God and petition him with my daily problems?
Should I ask him to fix aunt Bessies' hernia or Uncle Johns' drooling?
Should I?
Should I petition God to send rain over my garden?
Or how about fixing the clutch on my Gremlin?

Should I?

Because I can't help but think that he already knows of these problems.

If I pray will he come to my aid fasdterthan he came to the aid of those who perished in the last tsunami?

Is he listening?

And even if he is listening is he paying attention?
And is it rude for me to even ask???

Look.., Your God, this Supreme Being has a *master plan* does he not?

Who are we to petition Him in prayer and asking Him to Change His plan?

Seems to me there is never reason to pray unless you have a better plan than God.

Oh yeah, .., .., one more thing..,
God spoke to me the other day ..,
He said, "Dan, see what you can do to stop these a-holes from congregating and petitioning me every frickin' Sunday !!!"
" It's my day off"



Each and every double-blind test of the "power of prayer" has shown it to have precisely no effect whatsoever. None.

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Should I pray to God and petition him with my daily problems? Should I ask him to fix aunt Bessies' hernia or Uncle Johns' drooling? Should I? Should I petition God to send rain over my garden?
Or how about fixing the clutch on my Gremlin? Should I? Because I can't help but think that he already knows of these problems. If I pray will he come to my aid fasdterthan he came to the aid of those who perished in the last tsunami? Is he listening? And even if he is listening is he paying attention? And is it rude for me to even ask??? Look.., Your God, this Supreme Being has a *master plan* does he not? Who are we to petition Him in prayer and asking Him to Change His plan? Seems to me there is never reason to pray unless you have a better plan than God.



Should we pray? Yes. Does God listen to prayer? Yes. Does He always answer prayer in the way that we want Him to? No. Again, we have to take this back to creation. Before the fall, Adam & Eve were in a perfect relationship with God. Their motives were in harmony with the holy nature of God and His will. Therefore, they had no need. They were provided for in every way. There’s a big difference between them and us. We, on this side of the fall, have been so radically changed by the effects of sin that our motives are flawed; even those we think are “good.” Therefore, all of our prayers/petitions are not fulfilled. Despite this, our primary reason for prayer is because God has instructed us to. Is God sovereign and has He ordained (doesn’t He already know?) what will come to pass regardless of what we ask? Yes. (Side note: Does that negate our free-will? No. But that’s another discussion). But we are instructed to pray anyway. The reason why is because it’s not all about “us” and the “things we want.” It’s about a “relationship” with our Father (speaking of Christians and not Atheists). If one is married but never speaks to his wife, that relationship will be very weak and unsustainable. There has to be communication for there to be relationship. Does that mean you always get what you want? No. Again, whether we realize it or not, our motive for asking is not always in harmony with God’s will. Does God answer prayers? Yes. Does God answer all prayers? No. Do we always realize why He does not answer prayers? No. But that’s alright because His promises are true. He will see those “who are His” till the end (even many of those children who drowned in the tsunami). The promises of God are not that there will be no suffering in this world; just the opposite. Christians are promised trials and tribulations in this life not only for the cause of Christ but also simply because we live in a fallen world.

Your prayer, as an Atheist however, should be like David’s in Psalm 51 (After being confronted with his adulterous relationship and murder of her husband; he experienced conviction for his sin that he realized was primarily against God Himself; was granted saving faith and repentance).

Either way (whether he grants you faith or not), however, God will be glorified.

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Should I pray to God and petition him with my daily problems?
Should I ask him to fix aunt Bessies' hernia or Uncle Johns' drooling?
Should I?
Should I petition God to send rain over my garden?
Or how about fixing the clutch on my Gremlin?

Should I?



Seems like you're more interested in seeking the services of a jinn rather than God...

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God spoke to me the other day ..,
He said, "Dan, see what you can do to stop these a-holes from congregating and petitioning me every frickin' Sunday !!!"
" It's my day off"



Um...that would be Saturday. Are you sure it was God? Was the voice comming from a bottle of jinn?
Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are...

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[url] Is he listening?

And even if he is listening is he paying attention?
And is it rude for me to even ask???

Look.., Your God, this Supreme Being has a *master plan* does he not?

Who are we to petition Him in prayer and asking Him to Change His plan?

Seems to me there is never reason to pray unless you have a better plan than God.

Oh yeah, .., .., one more thing..,
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I agree with you, I doubt God needs our input to tweak His plan. It will be accomplished whether we pray or not. Prayer is for us. It is a way to converse and stay connected to what is important in life, God.

Good and bad things still happen, but prayer with out ceasing empowers and provides a peace, understanding, and acceptance, like nothing else.


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OK Jaybird, I've tired of this thread.
I'm going "nookular".

Should I pray to God and petition him with my daily problems?
Should I ask him to fix aunt Bessies' hernia or Uncle Johns' drooling?
Should I?
Should I petition God to send rain over my garden?
Or how about fixing the clutch on my Gremlin?

Should I?



Maybe, Mr. Morrison said it best.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XlqCFi6o-E

When I was back there in seminary school
There was a person there
Who put forth the proposition
That you can petition the Lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
Petition the lord with prayer
YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER!

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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How do you know when god is speaking to you?



While there may be other ways God communicates with us individually (e.g. feelings/emotions/experiences), one can only be sure that He communicates to us through His Word.

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The only trustworthy source of divine truth, guidance for your own spiritual growth, and instruction for the church is the written Word of God. No emotional urging or mystical experience can trump the concrete, fundamental truth God has given us in Scripture. Does God still speak? Yes, but not in an audible voice. He speaks through the pages of Scripture.

The Bible alone has survived the test of time, and countless attacks from doubters, liars, and heretics. Its objective truth is proved every day in the transforming work the Lord accomplishes through it. Even the apostle Peter, who witnessed Christ’s transfiguration firsthand, heard the voice of the Lord numerous times, and performed miracles himself, counted Scripture as “a more sure word” — the final word regarding God’s revelation (2 Peter 1:19). - John MacArthur



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So when God tells me that as a test of my faith, I should go grab the kid and a pick ax and head for the hills, and he'll explain the rest later, I should comply?



No...because that would be inconsistent with any principlal derived from scripture. Whatever voice you may have heard that told you that was not from God.

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>>So when God tells me that as a test of my faith, I should go grab the kid and a
>>pick ax and head for the hills, and he'll explain the rest later, I should comply?

>No...because that would be inconsistent with any principlal derived from scripture.
>Whatever voice you may have heard that told you that was not from God.

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Genesis 22:

Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!”

“Here I am,” he replied.

Then God said, “Take your son, your only son, whom you love—Isaac—and go to the region of Moriah. Sacrifice him there as a burnt offering on a mountain I will show you.”

Early the next morning Abraham got up and loaded his donkey. He took with him two of his servants and his son Isaac. When he had cut enough wood for the burnt offering, he set out for the place God had told him about. 4 On the third day Abraham looked up and saw the place in the distance. 5 He said to his servants, “Stay here with the donkey while I and the boy go over there. We will worship and then we will come back to you.”
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Is it your claim, then, that Genesis 22 is incorrect?

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Context Billvon. Abraham was a prophet. God certainly spoke in audible clear language to him.



God (apparently) spoke in clear and audible language to Ron. Is he a prophet?
Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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>Abraham was a prophet. God certainly spoke in audible clear language to him.

You said that if a voice told someone to take their kid, grab a weapon and head for the hills to sacrifice them, that such a voice "would be inconsistent with any principal derived from scripture." Yet that's exactly what God told Abraham per Genesis 22. So which is it? Could God have said that?

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So when God tells me that as a test of my faith, I should go grab the kid and a pick ax and head for the hills, and he'll explain the rest later, I should comply?



No...because that would be inconsistent with any principlal derived from scripture. Whatever voice you may have heard that told you that was not from God.



So who was it who commanded the Jews to kill every man, woman, and child in Canaan?
The O.T. is filled with commands from your loving God to commit murder, rape, and to enslave.

You really should read the book that you refer to.
Or, maybe you only refer to the new and improved God in the N.T.?
"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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