Amazon 7 #51 August 8, 2011 QuoteQuotenot for the corporations that you bow down and kiss the fucking ground for. Like MSFT and Boeing? Nah I was thinking more along the lines of the KOCK Brothers you guys love so much. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
loumeinhart 0 #52 August 8, 2011 QuoteWhat about Canada? they have the ultimate Obama care LMFAO My friend's dad was diagnosed with prostate cancer in Canada and told to come back in 90 days for testing. He flew to Cleveland Clinic the next day Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #53 August 9, 2011 Quote MMMMMMM Got TRICKLE??? Here is how much economic progress America has made in the 21st Century: the average taxpayer’s 2009 income was at the same level as 1997. Average 2009 income was $54,283, just $18 more than in 1997 when you adjust for inflation, not that anyone would notice a difference of $1.50 a month in their pocket. And compared to 2007, the last peak year of the economy, average income fell a painful $8,588 or 13.7 percent in real terms. Having $716 less each month is something most people would notice. These figures come from the newest tax return data issued by the Internal Revenue Service. You won’t find the numbers above at the IRS website, just raw numbers that I use to calculate changes in incomes, taxes paid and related information. You also won’t find this data analyzed in most of the mainstream press because our major newspapers and broadcast outlets are too focused on what politicians stay instead of what they do and what the official measures of economic performance tell us. When you hear politicians saying the cure for what ails our economy is to cut taxes, and that high-income Americans are the job creators who will stop creating jobs if their taxes are not cut more, think about what the data show. So here is what the latest data show, starting with the big picture: The total income reported by all Americans in 2009 was 4 percent less than in 2000. Since the country’s population grew by more than 25 million people during those years that means not just a smaller pie, but thinner slices all around. The reason our economy sits stuck in the doldrums is not taxes, which are much lower now than in 2007, especially for the highest income Americans. Indeed, as a share of the economy the income tax is at its lowest level since Eisenhower was in his first term. Individual income taxes in 2010, other data show, were one-third less per capita than in 2001, a recession year when the tax cuts sponsored by President Gorge W. Bush took effect. Total income taxes have never reached the amount collected in 2001 despite a growing population, a situation that contributes mightily to our federal debt and our failure to thrive economically in the 21st Century. Changes in economic conditions and in policies set by our elected leaders in Washington and the state capitals are pushing down wages for most people and encouraging elimination of jobs, especially public sector jobs on which the economy relies to provide healthy, educated workers and otherwise grease the wheels of commerce. Employers have plenty of money to invest. American corporations have roughly $2 trillion in cash, nearly $7,000 per American. They have so much idle cash that they cannot even invest at a high enough interest rate to keep pace with inflation. Putting that money to work would mean more jobs, more income, more taxes and smaller deficits that could quickly turn into surpluses if our political leaders thought more about numbers than scoring political points this lower income is the governments fault both dem and republican. just because we are taxed less on our paycheck doesn't mean we weren't taxed more overall. Also businesses need to cover other costs brought in them by other agencies besides congress, like the 300 plus new regulations the EPA has put on the books to be fased in over the next few years that is estimated to cost american businesses over 9 billion to implement. government is the problem and will always be a problem, it is up to us to limit the size of the problems government can cause. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #54 August 9, 2011 QuoteNah I was thinking more along the lines of the KOCK Brothers you guys love so much. Gee. It's weird. Nobody on here mentions them like you do. It isn't even close. "Koch brothers" have appeared in 109 posts (110 now with mine). Of these, 33 posts are yours, Jeanne. All of them within the last six months. So you are averaging mentioning them more than twice a week. I didn't do any check on the iterations of "Koch brothers" such as "Cock brothers" or "Kock bros" or anything of that sort. Soros has been mentioned more than 400 times, but also over a much longer timespan. Your continuing reference to the Koch Brothers reminds me of a drunken Judy Garland raging on Sid Luft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5TszQozx4&feature=related Check it at about 6:40. Just out of nowhere she is ranting about something and then "SID LUFT!" My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #55 August 9, 2011 Quote Quote Nah I was thinking more along the lines of the KOCK Brothers you guys love so much. Gee. It's weird. Nobody on here mentions them like you do. It isn't even close. "Koch brothers" have appeared in 109 posts (110 now with mine). Of these, 33 posts are yours, Jeanne. All of them within the last six months. So you are averaging mentioning them more than twice a week. I didn't do any check on the iterations of "Koch brothers" such as "Cock brothers" or "Kock bros" or anything of that sort. Soros has been mentioned more than 400 times, but also over a much longer timespan. Your continuing reference to the Koch Brothers reminds me of a drunken Judy Garland raging on Sid Luft. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu5TszQozx4&feature=related So... your point is??? Are you really stupid enough to believe that the Tea Bagging "grass roots" movement is really that... Come on Jerry... for a guy who made it thru law school.. you have to have better critical thinking skills than that.. unless you are just wanting others to believe the lies . I guess in your mind they are littly white in their business dealings... and the fines against their companies.... nah no problem for you... Now.. Soros... it seems his major crimes and is mentioned so much is he supports..... ZOMG........ moderate and liberal candidates and causes... while the Koch Brothers... are very even handed in their support right???? Seems to me they only support the NUTBAG faction of the GOP.... you know.. the one where Goldwater would be called a RINO Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #56 August 9, 2011 No its up to you and your ilk to pollute with impunity.. because you do not like regulations to try to keep our population healthy from all the toxic crap that guys like the Koch Brothers want to put into the air... the water.. and into the ground... If you want to live in a fucking cesspool of pollution.. cool.. but please.. do not expect the rest of us to wish to join you.. You talk about billions that it will cost business.. well boo fucking hoo... how many TRILLIONS would be spent on cleaning up your pollution.. and for the health costs to millions of Americans.. I suppose that is ok though.. as long as you can make a few extra bucks.. its all good.Stupid fuckers need to travel out of America.. and see what countries without an EPA look and smell like. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #57 August 9, 2011 The point is that you are the one mentioning the Koch brothers at a rate well in excess of anybody else. No, I don't find them to be lily white. I think they have their interests as much as Soros does. But - it's the insinuation that you create wherein nobody who disagrees with you thinks for themselves. Grass roots? Yes. A very large group of people who share many of the same ideas who get together for things. Yes, there are people who think independently and come to conclusions that are different from yours. There are millions of them. Simply because there is some figurehead with a lot of money does not detract from the sincerity of the beliefs of others. Of course, attacking the Koch brothers is pretty easy. It's why I pointed out Judy Garland. It was much easier to blame Sid Luft than analyze why things were wrong. "SID LUFT!" KOCK BROTHERS! I can imagine an argument between you and Judy Garland about whether Sid Luft or the Koch Brothers are the antichrist. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #58 August 9, 2011 QuoteThe point is that you are the one mentioning the Koch brothers at a rate well in excess of anybody else. No, I don't find them to be lily white. I think they have their interests as much as Soros does. But - it's the insinuation that you create wherein nobody who disagrees with you thinks for themselves. Grass roots? Yes. A very large group of people who share many of the same ideas who get together for things. Yes, there are people who think independently and come to conclusions that are different from yours. There are millions of them. Simply because there is some figurehead with a lot of money does not detract from the sincerity of the beliefs of others. Of course, attacking the Koch brothers is pretty easy. It's why I pointed out Judy Garland. It was much easier to blame Sid Luft than analyze why things were wrong. "SID LUFT!" KOCK BROTHERS! I can imagine an argument between you and Judy Garland about whether Sid Luft or the Koch Brothers are the antichrist. Considering who they are and what they are... your lame analogy does not apply.. but it does nto surprise me that you would fawn all over them. I can imagine an arguement of you with.............................nah... I wont go to the places and tactics you use. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #59 August 9, 2011 i don't fawn over them. I haven't seen anybody who fawns over them with the exception of you fawning over hating them. QuoteI wont go to the places and tactics you use. What? Tough arguing with someone who won't call a person with whom he disagrees "goat fuck stupid?" Someone who has gone to a place that was dickish, retracted and apologized? Yeah, I do that, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,314 #60 August 9, 2011 OK and with Michelle Bachmann vowing to "lock out the EPA employees and turn out the lights," I'm thinking that I'd really like to see you and her in some kind of cage match. My money would of course be on you, but it'd be a helluva fight. Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #61 August 9, 2011 Look, we are NOW a SERVICE BASED ECONOMY. And as such the method by which our economy grows is that we as individuals consume Goods and SERVICES. All things being equal regardless of what sex, race or income you are you consume about the same level of goods and services. Thus by giving the say the top 5% a very large tax reduction in hopes that they will either; Consume more Or Develop me industry that produces products for consumption does not hold water. Why? Simple, the top 5% will consume no more than any other sector of society. Thus after they consume the remaining funds are simply invested in procuring debt of large industries or our national debt aka stocks and bonds. With respect to produce new products, as it stands our existing industry base produces sufficient goods and services at a sufficient rate and at a given efficiency that there is no need to hire more people nor expand production. Thus basic math indicates that the method by which to wake up the economy is to inject funds into the center of the economy such that the greatest number of people are encouraged to consume. In this case our "middle class". This is not a political argument, though we seem to turn it into one, rather it's a simple mathematical / modeling and simulations argument. As it stands in this SERVICE based economy where efficiency is at the highest level ever seen the fastest and most efficient method of recovery is a substantial kick to the middle class while all other sectors held equal.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,314 #62 August 9, 2011 Why are you hollering at me. I haven't even discussed anything with you and if you're going to holler at me; at least post a quote from one of my threads, so I have some kind of frame of reference regarding what we're discussing (or hollering about). Thank you very much.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shah269 0 #63 August 9, 2011 I just clicked reply, the post was not for any one person. I was attempting to inject some reason into the debate.Life through good thoughts, good words, and good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. The only thing that falls from the sky is birdshit and fools! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,314 #64 August 9, 2011 QuoteI just clicked reply, the post was not for any one person. I was attempting to inject some reason into the debate. OK... I understand now. Where is it?Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #65 August 9, 2011 Quotei don't fawn over them. I haven't seen anybody who fawns over them with the exception of you fawning over hating them. QuoteI wont go to the places and tactics you use. What? Tough arguing with someone who won't call a person with whom he disagrees "goat fuck stupid?" Someone who has gone to a place that was dickish, retracted and apologized? Yeah, I do that, too. I just decided to walk away from your rather smarmy childish personal attacks... and you get all butt hurt over it.. awww poor wittle Jerry Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #66 August 9, 2011 Quote No its up to you and your ilk to pollute with impunity.. because you do not like regulations to try to keep our population healthy from all the toxic crap that guys like the Koch Brothers want to put into the air... the water.. and into the ground... If you want to live in a fucking cesspool of pollution.. cool.. but please.. do not expect the rest of us to wish to join you.. You talk about billions that it will cost business.. well boo fucking hoo... how many TRILLIONS would be spent on cleaning up your pollution.. and for the health costs to millions of Americans.. I suppose that is ok though.. as long as you can make a few extra bucks.. its all good.Stupid fuckers need to travel out of America.. and see what countries without an EPA look and smell like. I understand that we need some regulations, but the left bitches about all the money the Evil companies are holding but they don't like the reason why they are holding it. they are holding it to cover the EPA regulations that will need to be met and the possible tax hikes when the Obama tax cuts expire in 2012. you can not have it both ways. Also the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #67 August 9, 2011 QuoteI just clicked reply, the post was not for any one person. I was attempting to inject some reason into the debate. you can edit the subject and the referenced poster. Best to do so when your post doesn't relate to them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #68 August 9, 2011 Childish personal attacks? Yes, calling them the "KOCK" brothers is the epitome of maturity, class and dignity. As I readily admitted I HAVE engaged in childish and emotional attacks. And I apologize for them. I own up to whatever childish behavior I engage in. Perhaps it is because I'm human and admit to those foibles and faults that I do it. And I am grateful for the likes of billvon and quade and Andy and others who do not hesitate to point it out to me when I am out of line. How about you, Jeanne? Can you push your partisan emotions aside to discuss substantive issues? Can you manage to discuss issues without resort to ad hominem on the Sid Lufts of the world? What are your thoughts on the ten million additional retirees who are no longer earning wages but are counted on average wages? for that is how this got started. Where was the personal attack? I compared your conduct to that of Judy Garland, who despite the rest of the world viewing her as an angry and embittered soul pointed to everybody else as the bad guy. "SID LUFT!" Smarmy - insincere or hypocritical. I hate to break it to you, but I am sincere when I state my concerns about your persistent reference to bogeymen who have brainwashed a massive sector of the population. The part that blows me away is that you are either trolling (which you have admitted in the past) or that you actually believe that people are that stupid. I don't know which one it is. I disagree with you frequently but I do not believe you are stupid or otherwise unworthy. Nor do I believe in the general idiocy of the population. I don't think Soros, Gore or anybody else has this magical sway with people. Rather, I believe they tend to find support from people with like values and beliefs. So continue your maturity in calling them "REPUBICANS." I'll continue on my childish ways by calling them "Republicans" and "Democrats." I think our definitions of maturity may differ. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,314 #69 August 10, 2011 You've known her long enough to know that she's only going to fan the flames of pathos, logos and ethos and deftly move in between each one like an artistic fencing match; until such time there's a sidestep, thrust and parry, and little buzzer sound with a pause to end the drama with no real winner since no real blood was drawn. How's that for a run on sentence?Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #70 August 10, 2011 Would you please get it right... most of the current GOP are rePUBIClowns and the morons who vote for them... sent even more of the clowns to Washington in the last dircus election. There are Republicans out there but they are few and far between since the litmus test they must pass to be accepted by those in the American version of the Taliban.. and their VERY PARTISAN base on here refer to them as RINO's. Face it Jerrythe GOP has been co-opted by ideaological idiots who as George noted.. can and have been fooled by those running your dog and pony show ALL of the time. The idiots who don't know any better who continue to vote for the hand picked idealogues.. no not completely brainwashed because they don't have a lot of brain power to begin with, as proven when the likes of the Koch Brothers have most of you on the far right by your little strings dancing to their down home cut all the taxes for them, pollute at will tune. Quote What are your thoughts on the ten million additional retirees who are no longer earning wages but are counted on average wages? for that is how this got started. Are you forgetting the 25 million who have been added to those being taxed?? Oh and I call em ass I see em.. and if the usual dickweeds get their little girl panties all twisted.. too fucking bad Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #71 August 10, 2011 Quotelitmus test 63 seat change in the House and 6 in the Senate in the last election - even assuming they're all Tea Party, that's 12.9% of Congess. Nancy, Harry and Barry must be even lamer than we thought they were, if they're letting 12.9% of Congress walk over the top of them. QuoteKoch Brothers KOCH BROTHERS!!!!!!11one!!! Yeah, that 10 grand they donated to West and the other guy was apparently insurmountable to the Dems.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #72 August 10, 2011 Quote Quote litmus test 63 seat change in the House and 6 in the Senate in the last election - even assuming they're all Tea Party, that's 12.9% of Congess. Nancy, Harry and Barry must be even lamer than we thought they were, if they're letting 12.9% of Congress walk over the top of them. Quote Koch Brothers KOCH BROTHERS!!!!!!11one!!! Yeah, that 10 grand they donated to West and the other guy was apparently insurmountable to the Dems. I guess you have not actually read the part about them donating 100 MILLION+ to the people you love so much.. the fringe right that they have bought and paid for... how many govenors showed up at that private retreat that they flew them to again. I know you want to lie and deny as much as you can about tose links.. but I know you cant really believe they have not spent many many millions supporting those "grass roots" organizations that so many of you swallow hook line and sinker. There must be millions of you guys walkin around with those monogammed sinkers and hooks trailing along behind you that you swallowed so long ago... but those spectra( kevlar) lines they pull are still attachedHow many fringe right think tanks do they need to set up before idiots start questioning the veracity of the information they are being spoon fed.. Not that you are in the slightest way ever going to follow THAT MONEY trail... its not in your makeup to question them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #73 August 10, 2011 QuoteI guess you have not actually read the part about them donating 100 MILLION+ to the people you love so much.. I guess you don't realize that Federal Election Commission reports trump opinion pieces. QuoteNot that you are in the slightest way ever going to follow THAT MONEY trail... its not in your makeup to question them. Still waiting on you to PROVIDE the money trail....Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #74 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteI guess you have not actually read the part about them donating 100 MILLION+ to the people you love so much.. I guess you don't realize that Federal Election Commission reports trump opinion pieces. QuoteNot that you are in the slightest way ever going to follow THAT MONEY trail... its not in your makeup to question them. Still waiting on you to PROVIDE the money trail.... Some people.. the ones with brains........ know that we are in a brave new world with Citizens United( read that I am a corporation that can spend anything I want you simple mided fools) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #75 August 10, 2011 QuoteAlso the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
