marks2065 0 #76 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteAlso the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." no it is not the same. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #77 August 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Also the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." no it is not the same. The Jobs were sent overseas for one reason and one resaon alone.. PROFIT at any cost.. the more profit the better. The people you worship can couch it in any terms they wish but the bottom line id greed over patriotism... whats good for Americans... or good for the country. If you keep handing EVERYTHING to these anti-American asswhipes you may as well burn all the American flags.. and start flying the company colors of your favorite corporation. Arent you guys the ones who are so against globilization and the UN??? I thought the right wing was supposed to be about patriotism, mom and apple pie... OOOPS another phalacy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #78 August 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Also the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." no it is not the same. The Jobs were sent overseas for one reason and one resaon alone.. PROFIT at any cost.. the more profit the better. The people you worship can couch it in any terms they wish but the bottom line id greed over patriotism... whats good for Americans... or good for the country. If you keep handing EVERYTHING to these anti-American asswhipes you may as well burn all the American flags.. and start flying the company colors of your favorite corporation. Arent you guys the ones who are so against globilization and the UN??? I thought the right wing was supposed to be about patriotism, mom and apple pie... OOOPS another phalacy. So it's patriotic now to waste money. Well, that clears a few things up were you are coming from.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #79 August 10, 2011 No.. I want Americans to do what is good for America.. Funni dat huh. Please do not wrap yourself in the American flag.. and then support destroying any part of our country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #80 August 10, 2011 QuoteNo.. I want Americans to do what is good for America.. Funni dat huh.Which apparently, according to you, is to waste money.You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #81 August 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Also the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." no it is not the same. The Jobs were sent overseas for one reason and one resaon alone.. PROFIT at any cost.. the more profit the better. The people you worship can couch it in any terms they wish but the bottom line id greed over patriotism... whats good for Americans... or good for the country. If you keep handing EVERYTHING to these anti-American asswhipes you may as well burn all the American flags.. and start flying the company colors of your favorite corporation. Arent you guys the ones who are so against globilization and the UN??? I thought the right wing was supposed to be about patriotism, mom and apple pie... OOOPS another phalacy. The fact is that as long as doing business in the US means having to deal with taxes, unions, and the EPA, jobs will continue to go overseas, period. When the congress and the president relize that America and it's economy are more important to us and the world than making feel good policies with other countries, maybe then we will start to protect our businesses here with tarrifs on imports not made with our regulations or a slowing of regulations here to promote companies staying here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #82 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteNo.. I want Americans to do what is good for America.. Funni dat huh.Which apparently, according to you, is to waste money. Says the man who has only voted and been fooled by the party of fiscal conservatism and family values for....how long is it now???? I want them to stop wasting money.. I also want people who do business in this country to PAY for that priveledge. But those of you who vote for such brilliant businessmen as George Bush.. seem to not be doing so good on that front. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #83 August 10, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Also the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." no it is not the same. The Jobs were sent overseas for one reason and one resaon alone.. PROFIT at any cost.. the more profit the better. The people you worship can couch it in any terms they wish but the bottom line id greed over patriotism... whats good for Americans... or good for the country. If you keep handing EVERYTHING to these anti-American asswhipes you may as well burn all the American flags.. and start flying the company colors of your favorite corporation. Arent you guys the ones who are so against globilization and the UN??? I thought the right wing was supposed to be about patriotism, mom and apple pie... OOOPS another phalacy. The fact is that as long as doing business in the US means having to deal with taxes, unions, and the EPA, jobs will continue to go overseas, period. When the congress and the president relize that America and it's economy are more important to us and the world than making feel good policies with other countries, maybe then we will start to protect our businesses here with tarrifs on imports not made with our regulations or a slowing of regulations here to promote companies staying here. Wrong.. they will only do that as long as those who want to give them everything with nothing in return.... allow them to do that by voting for morons who do not have a firm grasp on reality or what it means to be an American. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #84 August 10, 2011 QuoteSome people.. the ones with brains........ know that we are in a brave new world with Citizens United( read that I am a corporation that can spend anything I want you simple mided fools) So like usual, you've got nothing but accusations? About what I figured.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #85 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteSome people.. the ones with brains........ know that we are in a brave new world with Citizens United( read that I am a corporation that can spend anything I want you simple mided fools) So like usual, you've got nothing but accusations? About what I figured. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT and you ain't got nuthin but defend the undefensible.. thru blind hatred of anything outside of your backward beliefs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #86 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteSome people.. the ones with brains........ know that we are in a brave new world with Citizens United( read that I am a corporation that can spend anything I want you simple mided fools) So like usual, you've got nothing but accusations? About what I figured. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT and you ain't got nuthin but defend the undefensible.. thru blind hatred of anything outside of your backward beliefs. But enough about YOU...Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #87 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome people.. the ones with brains........ know that we are in a brave new world with Citizens United( read that I am a corporation that can spend anything I want you simple mided fools) So like usual, you've got nothing but accusations? About what I figured. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT and you ain't got nuthin but defend the undefensible.. thru blind hatred of anything outside of your backward beliefs. But enough about YOU... Back to your ALL HAIL TO THE PLUTOCRACY.....ALL HAIL... ALL HAIL edited to add the dfinition of the word since you obviously dont know nuthin bout it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #88 August 10, 2011 I thought Amazon was on vacation.........Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #89 August 10, 2011 QuoteI thought Amazon was on vacation......... I am.. I have wifi.... Here.. perhaps this might help you http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiFi Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #90 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome people.. the ones with brains........ know that we are in a brave new world with Citizens United( read that I am a corporation that can spend anything I want you simple mided fools) So like usual, you've got nothing but accusations? About what I figured. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT and you ain't got nuthin but defend the undefensible.. thru blind hatred of anything outside of your backward beliefs. But enough about YOU... Back to your ALL HAIL TO THE PLUTOCRACY.....ALL HAIL... ALL HAIL edited to add the dfinition of the word since you obviously dont know nuthin bout it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy So, you're saying that Soros is running the country?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #91 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteSome people.. the ones with brains........ know that we are in a brave new world with Citizens United( read that I am a corporation that can spend anything I want you simple mided fools) So like usual, you've got nothing but accusations? About what I figured. RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT and you ain't got nuthin but defend the undefensible.. thru blind hatred of anything outside of your backward beliefs. But enough about YOU... Back to your ALL HAIL TO THE PLUTOCRACY.....ALL HAIL... ALL HAIL edited to add the dfinition of the word since you obviously dont know nuthin bout it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plutocracy So, you're saying that Soros is running the country? He has a hand in it.. but the people you have voted for .... for all of your life have had a far larger effect on this county by the politicians they have bought and paid for... but guys like you STILL think George Bush was a brilliant business man.. and voted for him. Perhaps if you were paying attention you MIGHT have a had a clue from his past performance on how he would run the country into the ground too. Your obvious GFS support of the Citizens United decisions.. goes to show you are willing to just turn the country over to the corporations. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #92 August 10, 2011 Quotepoliticians they have bought and paid for... Funny you mention that... AFSCME 45 million in donations, 94% to Democrats. Koch Industries 9.5 million in donations, 88% to Republicans. QuoteYour obvious GFS support of the Citizens United decisions.. goes to show you are willing to just turn the country over to the corporations. AFSCME 45 million in donations, 94% to Democrats. Koch Industries 9.5 million in donations, 88% to Republicans. Damn those Koch brothers taking over the country!!Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #93 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuotepoliticians they have bought and paid for... Funny you mention that... AFSCME 45 million in donations, 94% to Democrats. Koch Industries 9.5 million in donations, 88% to Republicans. QuoteYour obvious GFS support of the Citizens United decisions.. goes to show you are willing to just turn the country over to the corporations. AFSCME 45 million in donations, 94% to Democrats. Koch Industries 9.5 million in donations, 88% to Republicans. Damn those Koch brothers taking over the country!! Ya know Mikee the only thing that will ever change your mind....will never be a kind word so I gave up long ago. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #94 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotepoliticians they have bought and paid for... Funny you mention that... AFSCME 45 million in donations, 94% to Democrats. Koch Industries 9.5 million in donations, 88% to Republicans. QuoteYour obvious GFS support of the Citizens United decisions.. goes to show you are willing to just turn the country over to the corporations. AFSCME 45 million in donations, 94% to Democrats. Koch Industries 9.5 million in donations, 88% to Republicans. Damn those Koch brothers taking over the country!! Ya know Mikee the only thing that will ever change your mind....will never be a kind word so I gave up long ago. Yeah, I know...how dare I believe FEC records over your opinion pieces.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #95 August 10, 2011 Quote The Jobs were sent overseas for one reason and one resaon alone.. PROFIT at any cost.. the more profit the better. Really? I'd prefer to look at the reasons why jobs are overseas as something a bit less insidious. Change the word "PROFIT" to "viability" and it's a better fit. Let's examine the industries that have gone overseas for the most part because there just isn't room for it. Think of the steel industry: Only US Steel and Nucor are biggies here. US Steel employed over 150,000 people in 1900. By now, there are about 15,000 employees. The steel industry could not compete with low wage producers elsewhere in the world. It was cheaper to buy steel manufactured elsewhere and shipped in than domestic manufacture. Firms had a choice - go abroad or die. Most died. Google "Rust Belt." On the other hand, one can also look at some companies that have managed to stay in the US. For example, take a look at Georgia Pacific. It is an American consumer goods company that makes everyday products like facial tissue, napkins, paper towels, paper cups and the like and are examples of American advanced manufacturing. Incidentally, GP makes most of its products here in America. The company’s workforce is highly unionized. In fact, 80 percent of its mills are under contract with one or more labor union. It is not inaccurate to say that these are among the best-paid manufacturing jobs in America. While some companies are running from investment in American jobs, Georgia Pacific just reached agreements with its primary union in the paper industry to invest more than a half a billion dollars in capital to essentially create two state-of-the-art machines that conserve fiber and energy at two separate union mills. It is also unfortunate that Georgia Pacific has been a target of boycott. The unions that work with Georgia Pacific - including those like United Steelworkers - have stated opposition to these boycotts. It becomes an issue that the left boycotting Georgia Pacific would not hurt to corporate owners who have the resources to go elsewhere and make more money. The union members see their jobs at stake because of the intense dislike directed at the company. Georgia Pacific is still viable here. in the event that factors emerge that threaten its viability, I have no doubt it would put its own survival ahead of other factors. as it stands, United Steelworkers just made an agreement with Georgia Pacific on a new CBA only five days ago. http://www.gp.com/newsroom/newsarticle.asp?newsid=9442 It's fortunate that you know who Georgia Pacific is. You've commented on company in the past and the evils that you allege it portends. The AFL-CIO defended Georgia Pacific and its owners. Quite an interesting enemy you've picked, Jeanne. It created a MASSIVE double bind for the left. Their sway is so massive that a dozen people attended a rally yesterday in Jacksonville - evidence of the continued and massive brainwashing of the public. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
devildog 0 #96 August 10, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteNo.. I want Americans to do what is good for America.. Funni dat huh.Which apparently, according to you, is to waste money. Says the man who has only voted and been fooled by the party of fiscal conservatism and family values for....how long is it now???? I want them to stop wasting money.. I also want people who do business in this country to PAY for that priveledge. But those of you who vote for such brilliant businessmen as George Bush.. seem to not be doing so good on that front. If you know who I vote for, you should know for how long as well. Or does your omniscience have limits?You stop breathing for a few minutes and everyone jumps to conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mirage62 0 #97 August 10, 2011 LOL, Amazon, you are just the biggest smart ass I have ever not meet. I actually THOUGHT that you were on vacation and your post amount would go DOWN...silly me.....wherever or whatever your doing it's obvious that posting is a very big deal for you. Have a good vacationKevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #98 August 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Also the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." no it is not the same. The Jobs were sent overseas for one reason and one resaon alone.. PROFIT at any cost.. the more profit the better. The people you worship can couch it in any terms they wish but the bottom line id greed over patriotism... whats good for Americans... or good for the country. If you keep handing EVERYTHING to these anti-American asswhipes you may as well burn all the American flags.. and start flying the company colors of your favorite corporation. Arent you guys the ones who are so against globilization and the UN??? I thought the right wing was supposed to be about patriotism, mom and apple pie... OOOPS another phalacy. The fact is that as long as doing business in the US means having to deal with taxes, unions, and the EPA, jobs will continue to go overseas, period. When the congress and the president relize that America and it's economy are more important to us and the world than making feel good policies with other countries, maybe then we will start to protect our businesses here with tarrifs on imports not made with our regulations or a slowing of regulations here to promote companies staying here. Wrong.. they will only do that as long as those who want to give them everything with nothing in return.... allow them to do that by voting for morons who do not have a firm grasp on reality or what it means to be an American. lets look at that, the free trade agreements to allow other countries to trade their cheap products here, are the main cause of this. Why are we letting truck drivers from mexico make deliveries here in the US? why are we paying for those trucks to be emission compliant? why are we letting products into the US that were made with no epa or labor regulations? the Obama administration could stop that right now but they have not, why? This is just a small sample of the reason we have a 9% unemployment rate and a budget deficit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #99 August 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Quote Also the EPA has helped to drive industry over seas because there are no regulations over there, so Is it better to regulate less and keep the jobs here under some regulation or is it better to over regulate, send the jobs overseas, and then purchase the same products that were made with no epa regulations thus causing much more polution of our world? This is the equivalent of the rapist saying, "Go along with it or I'll turn this rape into a murder." no it is not the same. The Jobs were sent overseas for one reason and one resaon alone.. PROFIT at any cost.. the more profit the better. The people you worship can couch it in any terms they wish but the bottom line id greed over patriotism... whats good for Americans... or good for the country. If you keep handing EVERYTHING to these anti-American asswhipes you may as well burn all the American flags.. and start flying the company colors of your favorite corporation. Arent you guys the ones who are so against globilization and the UN??? I thought the right wing was supposed to be about patriotism, mom and apple pie... OOOPS another phalacy. The fact is that as long as doing business in the US means having to deal with taxes, unions, and the EPA, jobs will continue to go overseas, period. When the congress and the president relize that America and it's economy are more important to us and the world than making feel good policies with other countries, maybe then we will start to protect our businesses here with tarrifs on imports not made with our regulations or a slowing of regulations here to promote companies staying here. Wrong.. they will only do that as long as those who want to give them everything with nothing in return.... allow them to do that by voting for morons who do not have a firm grasp on reality or what it means to be an American. lets look at that, the free trade agreements to allow other countries to trade their cheap products here, are the main cause of this. Why are we letting truck drivers from mexico make deliveries here in the US? why are we paying for those trucks to be emission compliant? why are we letting products into the US that were made with no epa or labor regulations? the Obama administration could stop that right now but they have not, why? This is just a small sample of the reason we have a 9% unemployment rate and a budget deficit. Perhaps you can anwser that yourself... WHO is holding the strings.. and WHO Benefits the most???? Follow the money. And no.. Obama can't do squat about it when the right has put it in place and blocks anything he tries to do... Do try to think back to when all three branches of goverment were controlled by the GOP... and do a bit of hitsorical reading... and it becomes very very clear just how Patriotic some "Americans" ..... ACT..... completely contray to what they told YOU to get elected. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
marks2065 0 #100 August 11, 2011 Quote Perhaps you can anwser that yourself... WHO is holding the strings.. and WHO Benefits the most???? Follow the money. And no.. Obama can't do squat about it when the right has put it in place and blocks anything he tries to do... Do try to think back to when all three branches of goverment were controlled by the GOP... and do a bit of hitsorical reading... and it becomes very very clear just how Patriotic some "Americans" ..... ACT..... completely contray to what they told YOU to get elected. As I see it BOTH parties voted on Nafta, it was started by Bush 1, signed by Clinton, and about a 55/45 vote in congress( rep's the majority). both parties had their hand in it. The epa regulations were to be followed by all involved but like everything else the feds forgot to enforce that. What I don't understand is why the left (the party of everything green) would not stand up and enforce the EPA clause in the treaty? or why nobody enforces that? The WTO doesn't have many epa regulations nor do they enforce them, why would the left or right here alow that when it concerns imports here to the US? The left is all about green but they align themselves with world groups that don't do "green" why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
