StreetScooby 5 #101 August 8, 2011 Quote without being seen as too heavy handed or using unreasonable force Sounds like it's time for a dose of that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #102 August 8, 2011 Part of the problem is they're looting and steaming rather than traditional rioting. Water canon aren't licensed for use in mainland Briton, that means we'd have to ship them across from NI and also the tactics of the current looters denies large group targets for the cannon. As for the CS gas theres the same problem plus there are lots of non looters in the areas where it would be deployed. Liberal use of tasers would be effective though as would 'bean bag' rounds out of shot guns. If this goes on another night it maybe time for a curfew in strategic locations.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #103 August 8, 2011 Croydon tonight http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/08/08/london-riots-terrified-woman-jumps-from-burning-building-115875-23330390/When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #104 August 8, 2011 QuotePart of the problem is they're looting and steaming rather than traditional rioting. I laughed a bit. It's late. I'm tired. The use of water cannons in parts of urban NI has proven very effective at stopping people doing things they're not supposed to be doing and in my opinion would work, especially in larger areas of open space like Clapham Junction which was on fire not too long ago. Like you said people are looting not rioting and I'm sure it's a hell of a lot harder to carry on of those 42" plasma HD ready TVs when you've got a couple tons of water to contend with. As for the CS gas, it could work in conjunction with your curfew idea. Publicise that any mobs about after X time will have some serious difficulty breathing for a while, that way when you deploy it you can say they were warned. All about how you define reasonable force. Or maybe I'm just evil. My aim is non-lethal but temporarily disabling. And if it's a little painful then meh, shit happens. Maybe one of our resident cops could say what they think of all this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #105 August 8, 2011 QuoteQuote without being seen as too heavy handed or using unreasonable force Sounds like it's time for a dose of that. Like I said, it depends entirely on how you define reasonable force. Or rather, what degree of force is deemed to be reasonable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lost_n_confuzd 0 #106 August 9, 2011 QuotePardon the dumb question, but, what's a chav? A combination of Jersey Shore, Joe Dirt and a racially confused white kid, and just as annoying as all three. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Marisan 0 #107 August 9, 2011 And now another 4 cities. Remember the old military truism, once is accident, twice is co-incidence and 3 times is enemy action. It's not random, it's orchestrated. And now, spectators are getting in the way of police. Why? what do the police want to do. Me thinks we are looking at the British Spring. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #108 August 9, 2011 Quote And now another 4 cities. Remember the old military truism, once is accident, twice is co-incidence and 3 times is enemy action. It's not random, it's orchestrated. And now, spectators are getting in the way of police. Why? what do the police want to do. Me thinks we are looking at the British Spring. I'm looking for a Moozlim angle to all of this. Somebody help me with this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #109 August 9, 2011 Sorry dude, I was to tired to go outside and join in. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #110 August 9, 2011 QuoteThe Home Secretary appeared to rule out sending water cannon or the Army onto the streets of the capital, despite a third night of violence. Speaking on Sky News, she said that police intelligence and the support of local communities would help quell the disturbances. "The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," she said. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8690466/London-riots-Theresa-May-rejects-calls-for-water-cannon.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #111 August 9, 2011 QuoteIn the bubble of the 1920s, the top 5 per cent of earners creamed off one-third of personal income. Today, Britain is less equal, in wages, wealth and life chances, than at any time since then. Last year alone, the combined fortunes of the 1,000 richest people in Britain rose by 30 per cent to £333.5 billion. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8630533/Riots-the-underclass-lashes-out.htmlstay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #112 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe Home Secretary appeared to rule out sending water cannon or the Army onto the streets of the capital, despite a third night of violence. Speaking on Sky News, she said that police intelligence and the support of local communities would help quell the disturbances. "The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," she said. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities." http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8690466/London-riots-Theresa-May-rejects-calls-for-water-cannon.html Could she be any more out of touch with reality?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #113 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteIn the bubble of the 1920s, the top 5 per cent of earners creamed off one-third of personal income. Today, Britain is less equal, in wages, wealth and life chances, than at any time since then. Last year alone, the combined fortunes of the 1,000 richest people in Britain rose by 30 per cent to £333.5 billion. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8630533/Riots-the-underclass-lashes-out.html This isn't about poverty. The kids out on the streets in many cases are from middle class homes, theres middle aged people looting as well as the youth. This is pure criminality.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #114 August 9, 2011 Quote Could she be any more out of touch with reality? What a silly cow (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #115 August 9, 2011 QuoteThis isn't about poverty. The kids out on the streets in many cases are from middle class homes, theres middle aged people looting as well as the youth. This is pure criminality. +1 The police need to start coming down on these criminals HARD (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #116 August 9, 2011 Quote Quote Could she be any more out of touch with reality? What a silly cow Hug a hoodie, my arse!When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #117 August 9, 2011 here comes the cover up... QuoteThe man who was shot by police, sparking the wave of rioting that has hit London, died of a single gunshot wound to the chest, an inquest has heard. Mark Duggan was killed by armed officers in Ferry Lane in Tottenham, north London, on Thursday after they stopped the minicab he was in to carry out an arrest as part of a pre-planned operation. An inquest, which began on Tuesday morning at North London coroner's court, in High Barnet, heard that the 29-year-old father of four died of a single gunshot wound to the chest. He was pronounced dead at 6.41pm on Thursday evening. Colin Sparrow, the deputy senior investigator for the Independent Police Complaints Commission (IPCC), told the brief hearing that the organisation's "complex investigation" could take four to six months. http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/london-riots-mark-duggan-inqueststay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #118 August 9, 2011 Its being investigated and the investigation will be scrutinised like no other since the 7/11 shooting, hows that a cover up? Why do you just assume that there will be one?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 466 #119 August 9, 2011 Had a chance to hear some analysis and detailed news. Interesting points in no particular order - Iran urges restraint in dealing with the protests I bet they have been waiting to be able to say something like this for years. - Asian shop owner in tears on Radio 4, his whole livelihood destroyed. Interestingly he claims that no black owned shops were targeted only white and asian. The guy was really distraught 10 years of building a business to have it destroyed overnight. - It appears a substantial number of rioters are school aged teenagers. - video on BBC of an injured youngster being helped up by a group of youngsters and then subsequently muggedFinally to those people who have been mentioning the "targeting" of certain minorities. Realise that the UK police database is used to set markers on people, vehicles, addresses etc. If you have a criminal record of any sort you WILL be heavily targeted. My next door neighbours child is serving a 3 year sentence for GBH. I can tell you that prior to him being put away if there was any crime within 2 or 3 miles of us, you could guarantee that he would get a visit from the police. Yes he is black, but another kid on the block is also black and has never had a visit from the cops. The difference is the other kid is clean. Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melliandra 0 #120 August 9, 2011 Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? Why is everything police/politicians v people, black v white or rich v poor to you? Some might say you are the bigot, as you are so quick to point out the potential prejudices in every situation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #121 August 9, 2011 That's interesting because I've just heard on the radio that the use of plastic bullets has been authorised if riots continue tonight. I'll try and find a link. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #122 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteThis isn't about poverty. The kids out on the streets in many cases are from middle class homes, theres middle aged people looting as well as the youth. This is pure criminality. +1 The police need to start coming down on these criminals HARD that's what set them off in the first place...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #123 August 9, 2011 Quote Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? that's reality for you stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melliandra 0 #124 August 9, 2011 No, that's your version of "reality". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 466 #125 August 9, 2011 Quote That's interesting because I've just heard on the radio that the use of plastic bullets has been authorised if riots continue tonight. I'll try and find a link. I just watched the chief of police say on Sky how ill informed the media are. Plastic bullets went out of fashion decades ago according to him. He also lashed out at the media for demanding water canons, saying that they only work in certain circumstances (dense crowds etc). 16 000 police out and about tonight.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
