dreamdancer 0 #126 August 9, 2011 the reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 466 #127 August 9, 2011 Quotethe reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result... That is nonsense. You "might" be able to use that excuse for Totenham 4 days ago. The reality is that society is breaking down. Personal responsibility is a thing of the past and so is discipline. The sad thing is that I don't believe anyone has a solution.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zep 0 #128 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteThis isn't about poverty. The kids out on the streets in many cases are from middle class homes, theres middle aged people looting as well as the youth. This is pure criminality. +1 The police need to start coming down on these criminals HARD that's what set them off in the first place... In my day we were given a short sharp shock, took a while to put me back on the straight and narrow but it worked, of course in those days the local bobby was allowed to give you a cuff round the neck. and if I dared tell my parents that the bobby had cuffed me my father would have given me what for. I really don't know who is at fault, but I do know that Socialism is 90% to blame. Gone fishing Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #129 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuotethe reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result... That is nonsense. You "might" be able to use that excuse for Totenham 4 days ago. The reality is that society is breaking down. and it broke from the top down. everyone had their snouts in the trough. social mobility has broken down. this is the result...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 466 #130 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotethe reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result... That is nonsense. You "might" be able to use that excuse for Totenham 4 days ago. The reality is that society is breaking down. and it broke from the top down. everyone had their snouts in the trough. social mobility has broken down. this is the result... I don't disagree. I think this quote from Spain is a good summary QuoteThe economic crisis cannot become the sole explanation for the violent outbreaks that are multiplying in Europe. Each case is different, but taken together they are bolstering the view that representative democracy is incapable of dealing peacefully with the growing unrest among citizens. It is a slippery slope that governments have to deal with, while scrupulously obeying the rule of law. We have made the mistake of believing that people are mature enough and intellectually capable of managing themselves. It goes right down to not being able to discipline children.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 466 #131 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteThis isn't about poverty. The kids out on the streets in many cases are from middle class homes, theres middle aged people looting as well as the youth. This is pure criminality. +1 The police need to start coming down on these criminals HARD that's what set them off in the first place... In my day we were given a short sharp shock, took a while to put me back on the straight and narrow but it worked, of course in those days the local bobby was allowed to give you a cuff round the neck. and if I dared tell my parents that the bobby had cuffed me my father would have given me what for. I really don't know who is at fault, but I do know that Socialism is 90% to blame. I agree that it needs the ability to meet out swift discipline in the form of a cuff on the ear for youngsters. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14453918 Interesting picturesExperienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #132 August 9, 2011 Quote Quote That's interesting because I've just heard on the radio that the use of plastic bullets has been authorised if riots continue tonight. I'll try and find a link. I just watched the chief of police say on Sky how ill informed the media are. Plastic bullets went out of fashion decades ago according to him. He also lashed out at the media for demanding water canons, saying that they only work in certain circumstances (dense crowds etc). 16 000 police out and about tonight. Well some kind of baton round then. A quote from the most reliable source on the planet, Wikipedia: Quote Plastic bullets were approved for policing in England and Wales in June 2001. Plastic bullets were also authorized for G8 summit protests in Gleneagles, Scotland in July 2005...A plastic bullet was successfully used to disarm a hostage taker armed with a machete in Dorchester, England in December 2010. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plastic_bullet 16,000 police in the capital and all police cells already full. Not to mention the trouble that's started off in Birmingham, Liverpool and some other places I can't remember. It's interesting to say the least. I'm just wondering who the first person to be fired will be. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #133 August 9, 2011 Quote Quote Quote This isn't about poverty. The kids out on the streets in many cases are from middle class homes, theres middle aged people looting as well as the youth. This is pure criminality. +1 The police need to start coming down on these criminals HARD that's what set them off in the first place... Well YOU give the twats a hug then ... see where THAT gets ya. Poor little fuckers, the world has treated them soooo badly (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nigel99 466 #134 August 9, 2011 Hi, Agreed baton rounds were mentioned (I don't know the difference)... BTW someone who was shot in Croydon last night has just died. News headline in airport lounge so I don't know who, what or why.Experienced jumper - someone who has made mistakes more often than I have and lived. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #135 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotethe reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result... That is nonsense. You "might" be able to use that excuse for Totenham 4 days ago. The reality is that society is breaking down. and it broke from the top down. everyone had their snouts in the trough. social mobility has broken down. this is the result... I don't disagree. I think this quote from Spain is a good summary QuoteThe economic crisis cannot become the sole explanation for the violent outbreaks that are multiplying in Europe. Each case is different, but taken together they are bolstering the view that representative democracy is incapable of dealing peacefully with the growing unrest among citizens. It is a slippery slope that governments have to deal with, while scrupulously obeying the rule of law. We have made the mistake of believing that people are mature enough and intellectually capable of managing themselves. It goes right down to not being able to discipline children. it goes down to greedy politicians, bankers, press and the police...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melliandra 0 #136 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuote We have made the mistake of believing that people are mature enough and intellectually capable of managing themselves. It goes right down to not being able to discipline children. it goes down to greedy politicians, bankers, press and the police... What do politicians, bankers, press or the police have to do with disciplining individuals children? Ultimately it comes down to those individuals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #137 August 9, 2011 Quotethe reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result... If THAT was the sole excuse then the thugs would be attacking the police NOT just out thieving, now would they? (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #138 August 9, 2011 Hi to you too, A baton round is a general term that encompasses rubber and plastic bullets as well as bean bag rounds, though rubber has generally been phased out in favour of the plastic equivalent as it is less deadly. The aim of them is to temporarily render a violent person unable to continue said violence which will allow security forces to either detain them or regroup. Interesting article from the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-14459127 ETA: I also heard about the death in Croydon. I personally doubt it is linked to the riots though the shooter may have taken advantage of the general chaos to settle a score or something. Or maybe I watch too many bad movies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #139 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote We have made the mistake of believing that people are mature enough and intellectually capable of managing themselves. It goes right down to not being able to discipline children. it goes down to greedy politicians, bankers, press and the police... What do politicians, bankers, press or the police have to do with disciplining individuals children? Ultimately it comes down to those individuals. i see a breakdown from the top of society spreading downwards. that needs to be sorted before all this twaddle about 'discipline'...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #140 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuote We have made the mistake of believing that people are mature enough and intellectually capable of managing themselves. It goes right down to not being able to discipline children. it goes down to greedy politicians, bankers, press and the police... What do politicians, bankers, press or the police have to do with disciplining individuals children? Ultimately it comes down to those individuals. i see a breakdown from the top of society spreading downwards. that needs to be sorted before all this twaddle about 'discipline'... Are you willing to cut and paste some suggestions? Problems are a dime a dozen, but there is a premium on solutions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #141 August 9, 2011 Quote social mobility has broken down.. Again utter crap. Don't blame the rest of the world for your failings.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #142 August 9, 2011 This is the result of the 'look the other way' culture that successive Governments have encouraged over the last forty years in this country. With derisive terms such as 'Have a go hero' for citizens who have a sense of civic duty and the courage of their convictions. And labels such as Grass, Informant being given a totally negative connotation by the mass media for those who won't tolerate criminals in their midst. The country has no leaders anymore only managers and career politicians who know nothing of real life. To think of the poor buggers who died for this country and continue to do so only for it to become like this, its a disgusting disgrace.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #143 August 9, 2011 Quote Hi, Agreed baton rounds were mentioned (I don't know the difference)... BTW someone who was shot in Croydon last night has just died. News headline in airport lounge so I don't know who, what or why. I heard he was a looter who got into an argument with another looter about the swag. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #144 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuote social mobility has broken down.. Again utter crap. it's the lowest it's been since the thirties - get your facts straight...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #145 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuotethe reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result... If THAT was the sole excuse then the thugs would be attacking the police NOT just out thieving, now would they? Or to put it another way... http://www.twitvid.com/4JTZHWhen an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #146 August 9, 2011 QuoteThis is the result of the look the other way culture that successive Governments have encouraged over the last forty years in this country. With derisive terms such as 'Have a go hero' for citizens who have a sense of civic duty and the courage of their convictions. And labels such as Grass, Informant being given a totally negative connotation by the mass media for those who won't tolerate criminals in their midst. The country has no leaders anymore only managers and career politicians who know nothing of real life. To think of the poor buggers who died for this country and continue to do so only for it to become like this, its a disgusting disgrace. this is the result of the rich living in a little bubble all of their own (all the current tories are millionaires remember) and not realising what's happening to those at the bottom of the pile...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #147 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote social mobility has broken down.. Again utter crap. it's the lowest it's been since the thirties - get your facts straight... Source? Or are you just making shit up again.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dreamdancer 0 #148 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuotethe reality is the police shot someone dead and now we see the result... If THAT was the sole excuse then the thugs would be attacking the police NOT just out thieving, now would they? Or to put it another way... http://www.twitvid.com/4JTZH that was the spark - the police shouldn't be allowed matches...stay away from moving propellers - they bite blue skies from thai sky adventures good solid response-provoking keyboarding Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #149 August 9, 2011 Give it up Swampy. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #150 August 9, 2011 Cut the discipline in schools, disregard family values, cut the police, cut the Fire Service funding, encourage a look the other way culture and hey presto we're reaping the rewards.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
