dks13827 3 #126 August 11, 2011 Quotehttp://edition.cnn.com/2011/CRIME/04/26/florida.toddler.shooting/index.html?iref=obinsiteQuoteA toddler shot and killed his mother, the boy's father told South Florida police, who say they will talk to the 2-1/2-year-old. The father, who called 911, told police he was trying to take the firearm away from the child when it discharged. The boy's mother -- Julia Bennett, 33 -- was shot once in the back and died from the injury, said Miramar Police spokeswoman Tania Rues. "What we do know is that last Wednesday, shortly after 7 o'clock, we received a 911 call from a gentleman stating that his 2-1/2-year-old son accidentally shot his mother -- the boy's mother," Rues told HLN's Vinnie Politan. I am suspicious of this, highly !!! I dont think most toddlers could pull a trigger, nor can they testify,, and the Mom got it in the back... dead center !!! What do you think ??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #127 August 11, 2011 QuoteQuoteAlthough there were deaths, it wasn't a "bloodbath". Yes, 53 people died. Over 2000 injured. So how many people does it take to make a bloodbath? Say what you like, but to me 53 sounds like more than a sinkfull. Actually the average bath capacity is 225Ltr, the human body contains for an average man around 6ltr. Therefore 53 people equals 318 Ltrs. Divided by a bath full (225 Ltr) is 1.413. So yes, 53 people is in excess of a bloodbath.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #128 August 11, 2011 Quote Quote We're starting from a totally different point than in America, we have never had open access to firearms for protection en mass. Not in the modern age, no...didn't the English Bill of Rights restore the right of arms to the Protestants? I'll take your word for it Grandad, I wasn't born back then. When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #129 August 11, 2011 Quote Quote Quote We're starting from a totally different point than in America, we have never had open access to firearms for protection en mass. Not in the modern age, no...didn't the English Bill of Rights restore the right of arms to the Protestants? I'll take your word for it Grandad, I wasn't born back then. Smartass!!! Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #130 August 11, 2011 Quotemost Brits grow up in abject terror and irrational fear of firearms. For the most part our youth are educated about firearms from Hollywood and Gansta rap. Its a totally different culture, your knowledge based on US culture is not transferable to the UK population. but, the anti-gun advocates are doing their best to transfer that ignorance/paradigm (successfully) to the US anyway I'm becoming anti-gun for most city dwellers just because of the idiot factor on the subject becoming more prevalent every decade. (yes, I think anti-gun types shouldn't have guns. The rest of us should be able to choose for ourselves). ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #131 August 11, 2011 Your country mate as you please, however in a country awash with firearms I don't see how its possible to enforce a no gun zone effectively without disadvantaging yourself to the criminal element.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #132 August 11, 2011 QuoteYour country mate as you please, however in a country awash with firearms I don't see how its possible to enforce a no gun zone effectively without disadvantaging yourself to the criminal element. Substitute no-stick zone or no-knife zone and you get the same....people at the mercy of criminals who don't obey the law anyway.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #133 August 11, 2011 Quote Quote Wrong. Humans commit assaults without weapons regularly (and are capable of using objects as weapons that are not intended as weapons). Right, there is a long list of people who have committed an unarmed assault against polar bears, grizzley bears, lions, tigers etc. Some even returned....yes you guessed it: un-armed. "Born on a mountaintop in Tennessee, Greenest state in the land of the free, Raised in the woods so he knew every tree, Kilt him a b'ar when he was only 3. Davy, Davy Crockett, King of the wild frontier!"What kind of a parent sends a 3 y/o against a bear with or without being armed?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #134 August 11, 2011 Quote in a country awash with firearms I agree with your comment. I was just noting that the anti-gunners are a self fulfilling prophecy of application of repetition to the stupid. The are already 'disadvantaged' due to their politics and the fact that they really are just prey nowadays as it is. and, from my perspective, I don't see the whole "awash" comment - but that's a relative perspective. and, awash is a funny word ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #135 August 11, 2011 What I mean is that guns are very widely available (how many DZ.com'er have multiple firearms for example).When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #136 August 11, 2011 QuoteAmericans grow up around firearms and learn to treat them as a tool. For the most part our youth are educated about firearms from Hollywood and Gansta rap. Kids who grow up in the country (farms, ranches, small towns) learn that a gun is a tool and should be respected as such. I wouldn't say the same for kids who grow up in the cities. I would say they learn the same as you stated for youth in your country. How would you say kids in the country differ from kids in the city in the U.K.? Do they have a greater respect towards firearms? Here, where I live, in the country, it is common to see kids under 10 years old deer hunting (or any other type of hunting) with their fathers."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #137 August 11, 2011 Quote How would you say kids in the country differ from kids in the city in the U.K.? Do they have a greater respect towards firearms? I don't think they differ much if any at all. In fact its possible that those who live in cities and are involved with Cadet units are most likely the most proficient with firearms. Country kids simply don't have that much to do with firearms, maybe the odd shot gun but thats about it. Not really the same kind of hunting over here. Grouse and partridge, & theres deer hunting but that is expensive and tends to be the realm of middle and upper class businessmen. Target shooting, Clay pigeon/skeet, or the military are more likely the routes to firearms in the UK.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #138 August 11, 2011 QuoteQuote How would you say kids in the country differ from kids in the city in the U.K.? Do they have a greater respect towards firearms? I don't think they differ much if any at all. In fact its possible that those who live in cities and are involved with Cadet units are most likely the most proficient with firearms. Country kids simply don't have that much to do with firearms, maybe the odd shot gun but thats about it. Not really the same kind of hunting over here. Grouse and partridge, & theres deer hunting but that is expensive and tends to be the realm of middle and upper class businessmen. Target shooting, Clay pigeon/skeet, or the military are more likely the routes to firearms in the UK. Dangerous beasts, those skeets. So how do you stave off an attack by a grizzly bear?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #139 August 11, 2011 QuoteSo how do you stave off an attack by a grizzly bear? In the UK? I guess I'd stay out of its enclosure at the zoo.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #140 August 11, 2011 Quote Quote How would you say kids in the country differ from kids in the city in the U.K.? Do they have a greater respect towards firearms? I don't think they differ much if any at all. In fact its possible that those who live in cities and are involved with Cadet units are most likely the most proficient with firearms. Country kids simply don't have that much to do with firearms, maybe the odd shot gun but thats about it. Not really the same kind of hunting over here. Grouse and partridge, & theres deer hunting but that is expensive and tends to be the realm of middle and upper class businessmen. Target shooting, Clay pigeon/skeet, or the military are more likely the routes to firearms in the UK. Thanks for the insight. Gun crimes in my county are rare. Not much thought is given when a person is seen with a gun (hunters, farmers/ranchers.) Most crime around here is property theft. The last murder occurred when a migrant construction worker shot another at a local motel. Ironically, they were employed to help build the new courthouse, the Lawrence County Justice Center http://recordspedia.com/Missouri/Lawrence-County/Crime-Statistics The graphs do show an upward trend, sadly."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #141 August 12, 2011 Quote Right, there is a long list of people who have committed an unarmed assault against polar bears, grizzley bears, lions, tigers etc. Some even returned....yes you guessed it: un-armed. Oh, holy hell! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #142 August 12, 2011 Quote Quote So how do you stave off an attack by a grizzly bear? In the UK? I guess I'd stay out of its enclosure at the zoo. Followed up by another zinger! My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #143 August 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteIt's stupid to go somewhere dangerous animals live. Considering the most dangerous animals are humans I guess it's stupid to go ... anywhere. If you consider all humans to be dangerous animals, then yes, you would be correct in your world. Ah, but you don't consider all humans to be dangerous, do you? So you go to places where you think the humans there are not dangerous. I bet you don't go into certain places at night because you think the humans there ARE dangerous. If you do go to those places, wouldn't it be good idea to protect yourself in some way?My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #144 August 12, 2011 Quote What kind of a parent sends a 3 y/o against a bear with or without being armed? the parent of one bad ass 3 year old!!-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #145 August 12, 2011 Quote In fact its possible that those who live in cities and are involved with Cadet units are most likely the most proficient with firearms. This covers me. I've been shooting since I was about 12 or 13 since my school had a fairly large C.C.F. unit (even though I was in the RAF section for the free flying lessons) and got tons of experience on the SA80 as well as the .22 Lee Enfield No.8. They taught us about maintenance and cleaning as well as respect and accuracy. I think at one point I was going through about 30-40 rounds a week on the No.8 Happy days. eta: For what it's worth I'm about as city as they come, lived in London all my life. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #146 August 12, 2011 Quote I think at one point I was going through about 30-40 rounds a week on the No.8 Cool Happy days. Hell, I went through that many rounds in less than a minute with my old Uzi back in the early 80s. Happy minute. Fun, but expensive to fire. It was more of a novelty. Only had it for a few months. Sold it and bought some handguns (Colt Combat Commander .45 and a Ruger Blackhawk 357/9mm convertible single.)"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #147 August 12, 2011 Jammy bastard . Though in fairness I was 1) doing it through school and 2) getting it all for free. Well apart from the £55 yearly membership but it's really peanuts compared to the benefits. We had our own underground range so we could go straight from geography or something to target practice. All in all not bad for someone in the U.K, dontcha think Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #148 August 12, 2011 Quote Jammy bastard . Though in fairness I was 1) doing it through school and 2) getting it all for free. Well apart from the £55 yearly membership but it's really peanuts compared to the benefits. We had our own underground range so we could go straight from geography or something to target practice. All in all not bad for someone in the U.K, dontcha think Lucky LimeyThe only time that I got to fire weapons for free was during familiarization fire off of the ships fantail when I was in the Navy. Got to shoot some cool stuff. M60s, M16s, 50 cal machine gun mounted and anything else they had in the ships armory. I have a 50 cal round that I drilled the casing to remove the powder and fire the primer. I also have part of a bandolier with spent casings from the Vulcan Phalanx, as well as a few dummy rounds. Now, that Phalanx, that's a gun!"...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #149 August 12, 2011 Quote Stay the hell out of the bears yard and they won't be eating you for breakfast. Over here, we share a yard with the bears...they know who's boss... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YeU3mNwbLq4&feature=related get it?Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #150 August 12, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote How would you say kids in the country differ from kids in the city in the U.K.? Do they have a greater respect towards firearms? I don't think they differ much if any at all. In fact its possible that those who live in cities and are involved with Cadet units are most likely the most proficient with firearms. Country kids simply don't have that much to do with firearms, maybe the odd shot gun but thats about it. Not really the same kind of hunting over here. Grouse and partridge, & theres deer hunting but that is expensive and tends to be the realm of middle and upper class businessmen. Target shooting, Clay pigeon/skeet, or the military are more likely the routes to firearms in the UK. Dangerous beasts, those skeets. So how do you stave off an attack by a grizzly bear? Simple, don't go to the Zoo.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
