remibond 0 #26 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuote I think that once you are prepared to kill just for the sake of possessions you're on a slippery slope Would I kill someone stealing my car? No, not even if the law allowed it. Would I kill someone ransacking a business that I spent my life building, that provides mine and my families livelihood? Absolutely, especially knowing the police would simply take pictures after the fact. Sorry, still disagree. All you're doing is claiming that murder for some possessions is more justified than murder for other possessions. If you're a business owner with a family to support and have any reason to be worried about the security of your business it should be insured to the hilt before it even opens. That way when the unfortunate happens you don't starve to death. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #27 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteAlthough there were deaths, it wasn't a "bloodbath". Yes, 53 people died. Over 2000 injured. So how many people does it take to make a bloodbath? My bathtub holds 265 litres of blood. If it was 53 women and children, I would be apoximately 91 litres short of a blood bath. If it was 53 men, it shouldn't be a problem...I'd probably even have about 10 litres left over to donate.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #28 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuote I think that once you are prepared to kill just for the sake of possessions you're on a slippery slope Would I kill someone stealing my car? No, not even if the law allowed it. Would I kill someone ransacking a business that I spent my life building, that provides mine and my families livelihood? Absolutely, especially knowing the police would simply take pictures after the fact. Sorry, still disagree. All you're doing is claiming that murder for some possessions is more justified than murder for other possessions. If you're a business owner with a family to support and have any reason to be worried about the security of your business it should be insured to the hilt before it even opens. That way when the unfortunate happens you don't starve to death. Insurance usually doesn't cover damage/loss due to riots. Read the fine print. And referencing a previous post: I don't know the exact circumstances of the 53 deaths in the LA riots. I'm sure that not all were due to defensive fire. And I'm sure that some (many?) that were due to defensive fire were legitimate self-defense (defense of life and limb, not just property). Many of the people in Koreatown were in fear of their lives from the rioters due to previous tensions (it's in the wiki link I posted upthread)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #29 August 9, 2011 Quote It would be the first time they've ever been used on the mainland but desperate times and all that. Do the rioters have rabies? We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #30 August 9, 2011 I've never had to insure a business but I assume there must be some way of claiming compensation from somewhere for events outside of your control. A lot of home insurance does cover theft so it stands to reason that the same could be arranged for business owners. Thanks, I actually read the link just before you posted it to brush up on my history so I wouldn't say something moronic. I think it worked . Anyway, regardless of the circumstances of the majority of deaths, I think we can both agree that the toll would have been lower if firearms were taken out of the equation. There would probably have been more looting, that much is true, but whatever was stolen or damaged could have been replaced. A human life can not. A non-lethal solution is always preferable. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #31 August 9, 2011 Quote Quote It would be the first time they've ever been used on the mainland but desperate times and all that. Do the rioters have rabies? Lol I have no idea. I'll take a walk when I've finished revising and report back. Probably find a zombie or two. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #32 August 9, 2011 Only whiney little pusssies need a safe word. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #33 August 9, 2011 QuoteI've never had to insure a business but I assume there must be some way of claiming compensation from somewhere for events outside of your control. A lot of home insurance does cover theft so it stands to reason that the same could be arranged for business owners. well, goodie. Why don't you go find it first before proclaiming that it must exist. Good luck. The small business owner doesn't have that sort of free cash to spend on expensive insurance that doesn't even exist. Despite what dreamdancer would tell you, he or she is just trying to eek out a living. In the US, I suppose you could write off the loss on your personal or business tax return. But that doesn't restore your livelihood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,563 #34 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteAlthough there were deaths, it wasn't a "bloodbath". Yes, 53 people died. Over 2000 injured. So how many people does it take to make a bloodbath? My bathtub holds 265 litres of blood. Best not to fill it to the brim before you get in though. Even if you've got a tiled floor the overflow would probably still stain the grouting.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #35 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteThe average legally armed citizen here in the US is not all that trigger happy You are three times more likely to be shot by the armed citizen than a LEO if you are a bad guy. For me personally, that number is much higher. Got a cite for that?Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #36 August 9, 2011 QuoteNot to nitpick, but it should be pointed out that it wasn't just the good guys that were armed. The only actor in the five stories you posted who wasn't armed was the polar bear. The bear had teeth and claws, which he was using with great effect, until he ran into the guy with the gun. I don't think any of those surviving campers are wishing that they had been unarmed. In fact, they're probably wishing that they could have used the firearm sooner. And the fact that the other intended victims were facing armed attackers, and still prevailed, would seem to lend some evidence to counter the idea that many anti-gun folks promote; that when the bad guys are armed, they've got the drop on you, and it won't do any good to resist them with your own firearm. Update: Citizen who subdued suspected shooter speaks http://www.king5.com/news/local/Citizen-who-arrested-suspected-shooter-127158208.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteNot to nitpick, but it should be pointed out that it wasn't just the good guys that were armed. The only actor in the five stories you posted who wasn't armed was the polar bear. The bear had teeth and claws, which he was using with great effect, until he ran into the guy with the gun. I don't think any of those surviving campers are wishing that they had been unarmed. In fact, they're probably wishing that they could have used the firearm sooner. And the fact that the other intended victims were facing armed attackers, and still prevailed, would seem to lend some evidence to counter the idea that many anti-gun folks promote; that when the bad guys are armed, they've got the drop on you, and it won't do any good to resist them with your own firearm. Do you carry hand cuffs... just in case??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #38 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAlthough there were deaths, it wasn't a "bloodbath". Yes, 53 people died. Over 2000 injured. So how many people does it take to make a bloodbath? My bathtub holds 265 litres of blood. Best not to fill it to the brim before you get in though. Even if you've got a tiled floor the overflow would probably still stain the grouting. Ok, so let's make it official...if we subtract about 90 liters to account for displacement, a blood bath should = about 35 men or 50 women and children, unless of course we are only gonna count the amount of blood actually spilled.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remibond 0 #39 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteI've never had to insure a business but I assume there must be some way of claiming compensation from somewhere for events outside of your control. A lot of home insurance does cover theft so it stands to reason that the same could be arranged for business owners. well, goodie. Why don't you go find it first before proclaiming that it must exist. Good luck. The small business owner doesn't have that sort of free cash to spend on expensive insurance that doesn't even exist. Despite what dreamdancer would tell you, he or she is just trying to eek out a living. In the US, I suppose you could write off the loss on your personal or business tax return. But that doesn't restore your livelihood. Well because there's a market for it. An insurance company offering cover for damages and loses caused by rioting or large scale theft could make a killing by preying off the fears of small business owners, especially after what we've seen recently in England. [insurance salesman]I understand that times are tough, but can you really put a price on peace of mind?[/insurance salesman] Not quite sure what dreamdancer has to do with this. Maybe not, but would I be right in assuming the funds you'd gain from doing that would be enough to rebuild whatever business you owned? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAlthough there were deaths, it wasn't a "bloodbath". Yes, 53 people died. Over 2000 injured. So how many people does it take to make a bloodbath? My bathtub holds 265 litres of blood. Best not to fill it to the brim before you get in though. Even if you've got a tiled floor the overflow would probably still stain the grouting. Ok, so let's make it official...if we subtract about 90 liters to account for displacement, a blood bath should = about 35 men or 50 women and children, unless of course we are only gonna count the amount of blood actually spilled. Are you factoring-in viscosity? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #41 August 9, 2011 Quote Well because there's a market for it. A market for riot protection? Wow, only in England... Who in their right mind would underwrite that? Business Owner - "Here are the pictures the cops took." LOL...We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #42 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuote Ok, so let's make it official...if we subtract about 90 liters to account for displacement, a blood bath should = about 35 men or 50 women and children, unless of course we are only gonna count the amount of blood actually spilled. Are you factoring-in viscosity? also, how hard do you want to work to empty the bodies. Is it just the easy flow, or will be hanging them for some time and even going after the internal tissue content? Seems the body count has at least a +/- 20% error factor just there. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #43 August 9, 2011 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteQuoteAlthough there were deaths, it wasn't a "bloodbath". Yes, 53 people died. Over 2000 injured. So how many people does it take to make a bloodbath? My bathtub holds 265 litres of blood. Best not to fill it to the brim before you get in though. Even if you've got a tiled floor the overflow would probably still stain the grouting. Ok, so let's make it official...if we subtract about 90 liters to account for displacement, a blood bath should = about 35 men or 50 women and children, unless of course we are only gonna count the amount of blood actually spilled. Are you factoring-in viscosity? I'd rather just give +/- 5 for men and +/- 10 for women and children to account for babies and fat chix in the mix.Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #44 August 9, 2011 Quote Are you factoring-in viscosity? Why are you using viscosity in a volume calculation? Looking to account for surface tension before it overflows?We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #45 August 9, 2011 QuoteIs it just the easy flow, or will be hanging them for some time and even going after the internal tissue content? I'm starting to get uncomfortable...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #46 August 9, 2011 Quote I'm starting to get uncomfortable... Why, because of the surface tension calculations? They're a bit tricky, but someone here can help you We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreece 190 #47 August 9, 2011 If we're gonna get serious than I'd rather just say that 1 dead person covered in blood is a bloodbath...Your secrets are the true reflection of who you really are... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
StreetScooby 5 #48 August 9, 2011 Quote If we're gonna get serious If we're being serious, agreed. Fortunately, I've never had to witness that.We are all engines of karma Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #49 August 9, 2011 Quote Well because there's a market for it. An insurance company offering cover for damages and loses caused by rioting or large scale theft could make a killing by preying off the fears of small business owners, especially after what we've seen recently in England. There's a market for 16 year olds with a new license and a Ferrari too! You could buy a decent, less renowned sports car every year with the premiums instead. There's also alien abduction/probe insurance. A market isn't enough - it also needs to be priced to be affordable yet profitable. Riots, wars - these are such uncertain risks that an insurance company doesn't want to go near, or if they do, the price is such that few will pay. See earthquake insurance as an example. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #50 August 9, 2011 QuoteThe bear had teeth and claws, which he was using with great effect, until he ran into the guy with the gun. In defense for the bear, the bear was only doing what a bear does in his environment, his home. The campers were the intruders. They had zero reason to be where they were. The bear had every reason to be where it was. People need to stay out of places that they have no reason to be. Due to the stupidity of these people, one is dead, four are injured, and a bear is killed. No sympathy for those who go where they have no business being. More sympathy for the animal that was killed in its own home."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
